Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[Jack]

he is saying that a minority is the same as rapists and murderers. That is about as hateful as you can get.

Actually I think voting for Dems who murder millions of black babies is much more hateful. Do you vote for the baby murderers?

 

[teamventure]

Being a minority isn't harmful.

it is also interesting to note that the very article you quoted contradicts your own claim.

Why not put it plainly.
Being homosexual isn't harmfull is the statement you're making, and the Bible says it is harmfull. You are in straight denial no pun intended.

As for the article contradicting my claim. It is blatantly obvious that the liberal media and journalism as a whole supports the gay agenda. They lie through their teeth to spread the religion "not science" of homosexuality.

 

[teamventure]

he is saying that a minority is the same as rapists and murderers. That is about as hateful as you can get.

Sounds like a strawman but I'll wait for Wrangler to respond.
But since I've already read it, I'm aware that he was referring to homosexuality as a sin that is in common with rape and murder which are also sins. That was his point.
Do you believe homosexuality is a sin? Come out with it.

 

[Jack]

Sounds like a strawman but I'll wait for Wrangler to respond.
But since I've already read it, I'm aware that he was referring to homosexuality as a sin that is in common with rape and murder which are also sins. That was his point.
Do you believe homosexuality is a sin? Come out with it.

TM clearly rejects the Christian Bible as do all Liberals.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Now the OSAS peoples will tell you that even if you were gay... it's A-OK cause you'll still go to Heaven! Yippee!

 

[TinMan]

Why not put it plainly.
Being homosexual isn't harmfull is the statement you're making, and the Bible says it is harmfull. You are in straight denial no pun intended.

As for the article contradicting my claim. It is blatantly obvious that the liberal media and journalism as a whole supports the gay agenda. They lie through their teeth to spread the religion "not science" of homosexuality.

Maybe if you had read your own link before posting it.

That aside you can't show it is harmful and end up making false accusations, you like to say homosexuality is a sin but apparently lying isn't.

 

[TinMan]

Now the OSAS peoples will tell you that even if you were gay... it's A-OK cause you'll still go to Heaven! Yippee!

couldn't back up your false accusation about research could you?

 

[St. SteVen]

And none of this has anything to do with what the Bible says about the moral value of homosexuality.

Or does it?

All too typical for us to regard someone that doesn't fit our standard as subhuman.
I think that's WORSE than anything we don't like about them.

 

[Jack]

All too typical for us to regard someone that doesn't fit our standard as subhuman.
I think that's WORSE than anything we don't like about them.

Homosexuals don't fit Jesus' "standard". He said they will burn in Hell and likely those who support them.

 

[St. SteVen]

Because eating too much at a church potluck is just as big of an issue as homosexuality taking over the whole world. Give me a break.

The church likes to grade sin on a curve. God grades sin as PASS/FAIL.

 

[Jack]

Jesus said homosexuals will burn in Hell forever.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Faith is a personal belief in something that may not be provable by reason or evidence, while ideology is a system of ideas that is concerned with human progress and political action.

Okay. But the Christian faith is not like what you described. The Christian faith is not "belief without evidence."

Are you actually pretending that LGBT people don't exist?

The categorization of individuals based on their sexual orientation and gender identity, commonly referred to as LGBT categories, can be seen as a form of philosophical fiction. While the individuals themselves undoubtedly exist, the categories are primarily useful for conveying concepts and ideas, rather than being concrete, tangible things. A similar analogy can be drawn to the phrase "When the sun comes over the hill." Although the sun does not actually rise, we use this phrase to describe the visual phenomenon of the sun appearing to move across the sky. Similarly, while the categorization of individuals may not be entirely accurate or representative of their true identity, it is often used as a means of simplifying communication and facilitating understanding.

Sure it does. Killing another is wrong but not wrong in a war.

Your list describes categories of killing. My point concerned murder. Not all killing is murder as you pointed out.

LGBT people are not fantasy characters.

As I said above, such categories are a form of philosophical fiction. They aren't actual metaphysical categories. Lesbianism is a learned behavior, not a state of being. Transgenderism is a learned behavior not a state of being. There is no such thing as "transgenderism." It's a fiction, which identifies individuals with a damaged psyche, needing mental healing. I would describe it as "cosplay", living out a fantasy life in costume.

Yet you are trying to focus on exitance of LGBT people

You claim that a person is born into homosexuality. You claim that scientists have proven such. I claim that science transmogrified into scientism, "an exaggerated trust in the efficacy of the methods of natural science applied to all areas of investigation (as in philosophy, the social sciences, and the humanities)" Mirriam-Webster.

the only obvious reason is your personal prejudice.

I remember hearing a story of a greeter who worked in a women's gym. A man entered the gym claiming to be a woman. She told him that only women were allowed to work out in the gym. He insisted that he was a woman. The argument became very heated until very loud shouts could be heard from all individuals involved. Eventually, the female attendant began to shout, "You have a dick! You have a dick!' This is what I mean by "obvious." So-called "transgender" men and women wear on their bodies the evidence against them.

And still absolutely no evidence at all that it is learned.

You claim that scientists have proven that a person is born into homosexuality. I say scientists can't know that. First of all, orientation isn't known until after puberty, 10-12 years AFTER birth. Second, before puberty, children experiment with orientation, not choosing one or the other until much later. And this is typical for ALL human beings. Anyone who claims to have scientific evidence that a person is born into homosexuality is a huckster.

Someone is paying thousands and thousands of scientists all over the world to risk their reputations and careers by creating fake research and doing so for decades and no one ahs caught any of these bribes and no scientis has ever felt the need to confess but still this MUST be happening.

Yeah that makes perfect sense.

Ever heard of "Global Warming?" That's exactly what happened in the scientific community. The whole thing was made up. And after the gig was up, the name was changed to "Climate Change" instead. Science is now "scientism" "an exaggerated trust in the efficacy of the methods of natural science."

 

[BarneyFife]

All too typical for us to regard someone that doesn't fit our standard as subhuman.
I think that's WORSE than anything we don't like about them.

Being a thoroughly convicted moderate is a dirty job (everybody loves you until they find out your dirty little secret), but somebody's gotta do it.

.

 

[BarneyFife]

The church likes to grade sin on a curve. God grades sin as PASS/FAIL.

But that's just the "Academic" column. ;)

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[St. SteVen]

Being a thoroughly convicted moderate is a dirty job (everybody loves you until they find out your dirty little secret), but somebody's gotta do it.

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Exactly.
Who did Jesus hang out with?
They weren't subhuman to him.
But what does the church do?

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
The church likes to grade sin on a curve. God grades sin as PASS/FAIL.

But that's just the "Academic" column. ;)

My bad. I thought it was an "Editorial" column. - LOL

 

[BarneyFife]

Exactly.
Who did Jesus hang out with?
They weren't subhuman to him.
But what does the church do?

Well, Jesus is still working on that. Wheat and tares, you know. I'm for giving Him as much time as He thinks is best. Stand by for the latter rain and then the harvest. It's all in the Book, man, I'm tellin' ya. And what with Jesus being the Word and all, it's just as beautiful as He is. :)

You've got me thinking pretty hard about the Bibliolatry thing. Really hard.

It's perfectly natural, you know. It's kind of a "forest/trees" thing.

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[TinMan]

Okay. But the Christian faith is not like what you described. The Christian faith is not "belief without evidence."


The categorization of individuals based on their sexual orientation and gender identity, commonly referred to as LGBT categories, can be seen as a form of philosophical fiction.

Not by anyone who is honest. These categorizations exist and have the same reality as categorization based on religion or rave or mobility. and these catagories are qualifiable things.

Your list describes categories of killing. My point concerned murder. Not all killing is murder as you pointed out.

I recently had a conversation with a Baptist Minister who agreed with you, he said that ending the life of the child of same sex parents was not murder because that child was not human.

As I said above, such categories are a form of philosophical fiction. They aren't actual metaphysical categories. Lesbianism is a learned behavior, not a state of being.

Evidence please

Transgenderism is a learned behavior not a state of being.

Evidence please

There is no such thing as "transgenderism." It's a fiction,

Evidence please

which identifies individuals with a damaged psyche, needing mental healing.

Evidence please

I would describe it as "cosplay", living out a fantasy life in costume.

Please keep your dehumanizing opinions to yourself.

You claim that a person is born into homosexuality. You claim that scientists have proven such. I claim that science transmogrified into scientism, "an exaggerated trust in the efficacy of the methods of natural science applied to all areas of investigation (as in philosophy, the social sciences, and the humanities)" Mirriam-Webster.

Evidence please

I remember hearing a story of a greeter who worked in a women's gym. A man entered the gym claiming to be a woman. She told him that only women were allowed to work out in the gym. He insisted that he was a woman. The argument became very heated until very loud shouts could be heard from all individuals involved. Eventually, the female attendant began to shout, "You have a dick! You have a dick!' This is what I mean by "obvious." So-called "transgender" men and women wear on their bodies the evidence against them.

I remember this incident. The woman had been a member of the gym for 9 years and there had never been any issues until this one employee created an issue. The woman sued the gym and won. And the attendant was fired. Anyone put in such a position by this attendant would have sued, no one deserves to have a business's employee screaming obscenities at them. I guess the lesson here is that businesses shouldn't hire bigots.

You claim that scientists have proven that a person is born into homosexuality. I say scientists can't know that.

Sure they can. You just don't like that fact

First of all, orientation isn't known until after puberty, 10-12 years AFTER birth.

Evidence please

Second, before puberty, children experiment with orientation, not choosing one or the other until much later.

Evidence please

And this is typical for ALL human beings. Anyone who claims to have scientific evidence that a person is born into homosexuality is a huckster.

Anyone who claims the evidence isn't real is a liar.

Ever heard of "Global Warming?" That's exactly what happened in the scientific community. The whole thing was made up.

Just like the moon landing and the farce about the world being round.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Please keep your dehumanizing opinions to yourself.

Spoken like a true marxist!

 

[BarneyFife]

Because eating too much at a church potluck is just as big of an issue as homosexuality taking over the whole world. Give me a break.

Well, from a purely practical standpoint, couldn't it be?

Christ lists gluttony with the sins that will prevail just before His coming in the clouds of Heaven.

If someone was righteous in every other regard but refused to let go of their gross indulgence of appetite for food, couldn't it cost them their eternal life?

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