Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

[Eternally Grateful]

I am a 2 time stroke survivor. My son introduced me to Christ several years ago. He explained to me that water baptism would complete my connection to Christ. I currently can no longer stand nor walk. Can someone wheel me in my wheelchair into the water or perhaps someone who has great in Christ faith is permitted to carry me into the water? Time is running out for me.

Sincerely,
********,

Who would hinder such a person? By saying "no need for water baptism?"
As to you ex sister in law-I am not Jesus. My dear wife passed on to be with Christ Jesus a couple of years ago-and I KNOW she was saved.
J.

No one should hinder such a person

but that was not what I asked.

Since she did not get water baptized, is she in heaven, or is she disqualified because she did not get baptized in water?

 

[Johann]

No one should hinder such a person

but that was not what I asked.

Since she did not get water baptized, is she in heaven, or is she disqualified because she did not get baptized in water?

And I answered by saying-I am not Jesus-yes?

 

[Grailhunter]

@Johann

How far do you take that "imperative"?

Are you Catholic or JW, about it? Do you take it to the extreme and teach that "water washes away your sin", which is teaching that Water saves you?

Are you that far gone into the "water cult" theology?

First off there is no water cult, it is what the Bible and history teaches.

When John the Baptist was baptizing for the remission of sins, it was not the water that washed away sins, it was the event. Christ understood what it meant.

Christian baptism is where the concept of a born again Christian comes from. Baptism does not forgive sins it gives the believer a new beginning. Sin is a double edged sword, not only is it a transgression against the will of God but the person knows the nasty things they did....as long as they exist Satan can come back and accuse you of them…..

So it is also a matter of reconciling that within themselves. They can get forgiveness from Christ but they still did it. Baptism provides a new start ....and new person....the sins are gone because the person is gone. A new person in Christ.

Part of the confusion is Acts 2:38 itself.....Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit ....Some take this to mean that Baptism forgives sins but actually it is the whole process. But still the words say it. It is just the way it is worded….it is Christ that provides the power behind the physical act of baptism. John the Baptist baptized for the remission of sins and the Jews came to Christ asking where did John the Baptist get that authority….it was not John, it was God.

The person that come out of that water is a new person in Christ. The person that went down dies in Christ and the person that comes up has a clean slate.

Romans 6:3-4 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

It is not really forgiveness of sins as far as Christ is concerned that person and their sins never happened. From that point on our sins are between us and Christ.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And I answered by saying-I am not Jesus-yes?

ok,

so then you believe water baptism is NOT required for salvation then, correct?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

First off there is no water cult, it is what the Bible and history teaches.

When John the Baptist was baptizing for the remission of sins, it was not the water that washed away sins, it was the event. Christ understood what it meant.

Christian baptism is where the concept of a born again Christian comes from. Baptism does not forgive sins it gives the believer a new beginning. Sin is a double edged sword, not only is it a transgression against the will of God but the person knows the nasty things they did....as long as they exist Satan can come back and accuse you of them…..

So it is also a matter of reconciling that within themselves. They can get forgiveness from Christ but they still did it. Baptism provides a new start ....and new person....the sins are gone because the person is gone. A new person in Christ.

Part of the confusion is Acts 2:38 itself.....Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit ....Some take this that Baptism forgives sins but actually it is the whole process. But still the words say it. It is just the way it is worded….it is Christ that provides the power behind the physical act of baptism. John the Baptist baptized for the remission of sins and the Jews came to Christ asking where did John the Baptist get that authority….it was not John, it was God.

The person that come out of that water is a new person in Christ. The person that went down dies in Christ and the person that comes up has a clean slate.

Romans 6:3-4 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

It is not really forgiveness of sins as far as Christ is concerned that person and their sins never happened. From that point on our sins are between us and Christ.

no one ever received remission of sin because they were water baptized. By John the baptist or anyone else

 

[Johann]

ok,

so then you believe water baptism is NOT required for salvation then, correct?

No need to repeat myself over and over again-indicative you don't read.
Shalom
J.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No need to repeat myself over and over again-indicative you don't read.
Shalom
J.

so you wont answer?

I just ask because it believes like everyone who says it you jump all over them.

Why would you jump on them if you believe the same way they do?

 

[atpollard]

ok,

so then you believe water baptism is NOT required for salvation then, correct?

read:

Sixth, water baptism is not something we do to complete God’s saving action in Jesus Christ. Let me put it this way, “Baptism is not essential in order to obtain salvation; it is essential for those who have, by the work of Christ and the Holy Spirit, received salvation. Baptism, like any other good work (see Ephesians 2:10), is the fruit of our salvation, and not its root.

now, answer your own question about what @Johann believes.

 

[Johann]

read:

now, answer your own question about what @Johann believes.

Thank you brother-there is a serious problem with reading comprehension from some.
God bless
Johann.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

read:

now, answer your own question about what @Johann believes.

then I must ask why he attacks everyone who tries to teach that water baptism is not required.

Its one thing to say you do not believe something, it is another to actually follow that with actions..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thank you brother-there is a serious problem with reading comprehension from some.
God bless
Johann.

No, I have no reading problem.

I am just making a point.

You say it, But you actions does not back what you say..

 

[Johann]

then I must ask why he attacks everyone who tries to teach that water baptism is not required.

Its one thing to say you do not believe something, it is another to actually follow that with actions..

The one under attack is yours truly-why the need to misrepresent in whatever I post and say?
Peiradzo-ing and not dokimazo.
Enjoy your day-I am gymning at the moment-listening to praise and worship music and play along with my guitar.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

"one baptism"

This probably refers to water baptism, which was the early church's public confession of faith (cf. Matt. 28:19; Rom. 10:9-13). It symbolized death to the old life and the beginning of the new life in Christ (Rom. 6:4; Col. 2:12).

However, it could refer to Spirit baptism (cf. Acts 2:38; 1 Cor. 12:13). Even though the Spirit is mentioned in Eph. 4:4, these two initial events, one inward (Spirit baptism) and one outward (water baptism), are closely linked in the NT.

Like @Bible Highlighter I hold that water baptism is a Imperative-but brother-some are here to nit pick and argue-and this is not edifying.
Shalom

Imperative: Of vital importance. Crucial.

Then he gets on myself and behold for trying to show that water baptism is required. and goes off on us..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The one under attack is yours truly-why the need to misrepresent in whatever I post and say?
Peiradzo-ing and not dokimazo.
Enjoy your day-I am gymning at the moment-listening to praise and worship music and play along with my guitar.

You need to look at what you do.

And stop playing innocent.

 

[Johann]

No, I have no reading problem.

I am just making a point.

What "point" are you making?
You have not read the post-reading comprehension skills required.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What "point" are you making?
You have not read the post-reading comprehension skills required.

The point I am making is every time someone speaks to a person who states water baptism is required. you jump all over them.

why do you do this if you do not believe it is required. unless. maybe deep down inside. you do?

 

[CadyandZoe]

I am a 2 time stroke survivor. My son introduced me to Christ several years ago. He explained to me that water baptism would complete my connection to Christ. I currently can no longer stand nor walk. Can someone wheel me in my wheelchair into the water or perhaps someone who has great in Christ faith is permitted to carry me into the water? Time is running out for me.

Sincerely,
********,

Who would hinder such a person? By saying "no need for water baptism?"
As to you ex sister in law-I am not Jesus. My dear wife passed on to be with Christ Jesus a couple of years ago-and I KNOW she was saved.
J.

If I was at your church, I would lift you into the pool myself brother. If you like I know a pastor of a Lutheran Church. I can ask him about accommodation for the handy capped.

 

[ScottA]

"one baptism"

This probably refers to water baptism, which was the early church's public confession of faith (cf. Matt. 28:19; Rom. 10:9-13). It symbolized death to the old life and the beginning of the new life in Christ (Rom. 6:4; Col. 2:12).

However, it could refer to Spirit baptism (cf. Acts 2:38; 1 Cor. 12:13). Even though the Spirit is mentioned in Eph. 4:4, these two initial events, one inward (Spirit baptism) and one outward (water baptism), are closely linked in the NT.

Everything is parables. We and the whole creation from us to the great lights that rule the day and night (light and darkness) are created "in the image"-- parables.

Water baptism is just the object and not the actual subject of the baptism parable. The subject then, is the spirit life of God and being born again, while the mere object of making what is otherwise invisible visible, is this would be life and death in this world symbolized by water baptism...because being born into this world is to be born of water (as Jesus taught). In short, water baptism is death, but shows/reveals by parable the baptism of life in God.

The church has never fully understood this.

 

[Johann]

You need to look at what you do.

And stop playing innocent.

What is the definition of peiradzo?

Stop playing the victim-this is for grown ups and those that are mature in Christ Jesus-and start using the Scriptures as your mouthpiece instead of going on a rampage-not edifying.

But it is Hashem who establishes us with you in Moshiach and has given us the mishchah
Having put his chotam on us and having given the aravon of the Ruach Hakodesh in our levavot. ( Ro 8:16; 2C 5:5; Ep 1:14). [BERESHIS 38:18; YECHEZKEL 9:4; CHAGGAI 2:23]

ο και σφραγισαμενος ημας και δους τον αρραβωνα του πνευματος εν ταις καρδιαις ημων
εγω δε μαρτυρα τον θεον επικαλουμαι επι την εμην ψυχην οτι φειδομενος υμων ουκετι ηλθον εις κορινθον

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What is the definition of peiradzo?

Stop playing the victim-this is for grown ups and those that are mature in Christ Jesus-and start using the Scriptures as your mouthpiece instead of going on a rampage-not edifying.

But it is Hashem who establishes us with you in Moshiach and has given us the mishchah
Having put his chotam on us and having given the aravon of the Ruach Hakodesh in our levavot. ( Ro 8:16; 2C 5:5; Ep 1:14). [BERESHIS 38:18; YECHEZKEL 9:4; CHAGGAI 2:23]

ο και σφραγισαμενος ημας και δους τον αρραβωνα του πνευματος εν ταις καρδιαις ημων
εγω δε μαρτυρα τον θεον επικαλουμαι επι την εμην ψυχην οτι φειδομενος υμων ουκετι ηλθον εις κορινθον

what does testing ones faith have to do with the topic.

water baptism either saves a soul or it does not and is obeying one of Gods many commands.

it can;t be both ways