Where in the Bible are we told to pray to the Holy Spirit?

[Cassandra]

I am not saying that He is not part of the Godhead, as I believe He is.

But aren't we supposed to pray to the Father through Jesus? I can't find anywhere where we are to pray to the Spirit. and some probably don't think it makes a difference, but if it doesn't why wasn't it done in the Bible? And if it was, can someone provide the verses for it?

TIA.


Cas

 

[liafailrock]

I am not saying that He is not part of the Godhead, as I believe He is.

But aren't we supposed to pray to the Father through Jesus? I can't find anywhere where we are to pray to the Spirit. and some probably don't think it makes a difference, but if it doesn't why wasn't it done in the Bible? And if it was, can someone provide the verses for it?

TIA.


Cas

There is no case of a person praying to the Holy Spirit. I can normally give verses in a study, but how can I give something that's not there? For this reason, I am not too hard on people who have a different concept of the Holy Spirit, e.g. it's the power of God manifested as opposed to a different person of the Godhead as with Jesus Christ and The Father. Notice the apostles, while mentioning the Holy Spirit always seem to greet in the name of God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ in each of the epistles. So they take more of a binatarian view of the Godhead, as that's what they believed the view of the apostles was (c.f. John 1:1 the NT of Genesis 1:1-2). Some early church fathers compared the Holy Spirit to the person of Jesus Christ because it was by Him and for Him (Col 1:16) all things were created. Yet in Genesis 1 it says it's the Spirit of God. So I can understand the connection.

 

[rockytopva]

There is no case of a person praying to the Holy Spirit. I can normally give verses in a study, but how can I give something that's not there? For this reason, I am not too hard on people who have a different concept of the Holy Spirit, e.g. it's the power of God manifested as opposed to a different person of the Godhead as with Jesus Christ and The Father. Notice the apostles, while mentioning the Holy Spirit always seem to greet in the name of God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ in each of the epistles. So they take more of a binatarian view of the Godhead, as that's what they believed the view of the apostles was (c.f. John 1:1 the NT of Genesis 1:1-2). Some early church fathers compared the Holy Spirit to the person of Jesus Christ because it was by Him and for Him (Col 1:16) all things were created. Yet in Genesis 1 it says it's the Spirit of God. So I can understand the connection.

I like the Sir Isaac Newton guy by the way and count him a wonderful intellectual as well as spiritual figure in his time. God bless!

 

[gpresdo]

I am not saying that He is not part of the Godhead, as I believe He is.

But aren't we supposed to pray to the Father through Jesus? I can't find anywhere where we are to pray to the Spirit. and some probably don't think it makes a difference, but if it doesn't why wasn't it done in the Bible? And if it was, can someone provide the verses for it?

TIA.


Cas

What prompted this question?

 

[Cassandra]

What prompted this question?

Sitting in my room after Bible study--just thinking. I spend a lot of time by myself.

 

[Jack]

What prompted this question?

My thoughts also.

 

[Wrangler]

I am not saying that He is not part of the Godhead, as I believe He is.

Hmmm.

But aren't we supposed to pray to the Father through Jesus?

Obviously, this reveals the demonstrable error in those who claim equality in the Godhead. Another blatant lack of equality is the lack of a personal name:

• Father = Highest title in Scripture, God = YHWH
• Son = Highest title in Scripture, Son of God = Jesus
• HS = No title (Perhaps helper?) = no personal name, right?

Another lack of equality is that Jesus was given all authority. So, how much authority is left over for the HS? All and none are the exact opposite of equal.

For this reason, I am not too hard on people who have a different concept of the Holy Spirit, e.g. it's the power of God manifested as opposed to a different person of the Godhead as with Jesus Christ and The Father.

Meaning you are hard on such people, just not too hard?

It is clear we are to pray not TO but FOR the Holy Spirit.

 

[Jack]

Hmmm.

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Obviously, this reveals the demonstrable error in those who claim equality in the Godhead. Another blatant lack of equality is the lack of a personal name:

• Father = Highest title in Scripture, God = YHWH
• Son = Highest title in Scripture, Son of God = Jesus
• HS = No title (Perhaps helper?) = no personal name, right?

Another lack of equality is that Jesus was given all authority. So, how much authority is left over for the HS? All and none are the exact opposite of equal.


Meaning you are hard on such people, just not too hard?

It is clear we are to pray not TO but FOR the Holy Spirit.

Pray for God???

 

[MatthewG]

No where.

Jesus makes it clear though you ask the Father to help you by the spirit.

Luke 11:13.

 

[keithr]

But aren't we supposed to pray to the Father through Jesus? I can't find anywhere where we are to pray to the Spirit. and some probably don't think it makes a difference, but if it doesn't why wasn't it done in the Bible? And if it was, can someone provide the verses for it?

If you believe in the Trinity doctrine then you'll have confusion such as that. Could it be that you've just realised that the Trinity doctrine is not Scriptural? Well what a surprise!

It's a very important topic that we're not allowed to discuss on this forum! It does make a difference who you pray to. If we pray to Satan then God will be unlikely to answer those prayers. We need to pray to God, our Father, as Jesus taught. His name is YHVH (Yahavah).

Romans 10 (WEB):

(8) ... the word of faith, which we preach:​

(9) that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.​

(13) For, “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”​

The last verse is a reference to Joel 2:32 (WEB):

(32) It will happen that whoever will call on Yahweh’s name shall be saved; for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, as Yahweh has said, and among the remnant, those whom Yahweh calls.​

In his prayer, recorded in John 17, Jesus prays to God, refering to him as "Father", and ends with:

(24) Father, I desire that they also whom you have given me be with me where I am, that they may see my glory, which you have given me, for you loved me before the foundation of the world.​

(25) Righteous Father, the world hasn’t known you, but I knew you; and these knew that you sent me.​

(26) I made known to them your name, and will make it known; that the love with which you loved me may be in them, and I in them.”​

 

[St. SteVen]

I can't find anywhere where we are to pray to the Spirit...

Even praying to Jesus has little to no support.
However, praying IN the Spirit has a good deal of support.
And I know of very few Christians that do so, nor could even define it.
Here's the scriptural support below. Let's discuss.

Ephesians 6:18 NIV
And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests.
With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.

Romans 8:26-27 NIV
In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for,
but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.
27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit,
because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

Jude 1:20 NIV
But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith
and praying in the Holy Spirit,

 

[gpresdo]

Sitting in my room after Bible study--just thinking. I spend a lot of time by myself.

May I suggest......with a question concerning anything of a spiritual nature....you must exhaust your study of the Bible.

If your heart is right with God (born again) He will guide you with the Holy Spirit to a proper conclusion.
God is clearly the one we go to, as the Bible teaches, with our prayer request...in the name of Jesus. The ...Trinity...(man's word) is made up of God, son Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

 

[gpresdo]

Sitting in my room after Bible study--just thinking. I spend a lot of time by myself.

That is a great way to study and contemplate God's word.

The question again...what prompted the question...i.e....did someone state that....did you read something which caused you to ask the question?....etc.
Because the first of God's commandments says...thou shall have no other gods before Me. Why wouldn't that have answered your question?

 

[Rockerduck]

We don't pray to the Holy Spirit, it is the Holy Spirit who prays for us , because we cannot know what to say. It is the Holy spirit who speaks to us also.

Romans 8:26-27 KJV - Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

 

[Cassandra]

That is a great way to study and contemplate God's word.

The question again...what prompted the question...i.e....did someone state that....did you read something which caused you to ask the question?....etc.
Because the first of God's commandments says...thou shall have no other gods before Me. Why wouldn't that have answered your question?

No one stated that-- it was me from-- things I have concerns about.

 

[liafailrock]

Hmmm.

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Obviously, this reveals the demonstrable error in those who claim equality in the Godhead. Another blatant lack of equality is the lack of a personal name:

• Father = Highest title in Scripture, God = YHWH
• Son = Highest title in Scripture, Son of God = Jesus
• HS = No title (Perhaps helper?) = no personal name, right?

Another lack of equality is that Jesus was given all authority. So, how much authority is left over for the HS? All and none are the exact opposite of equal.


Meaning you are hard on such people, just not too hard?

It is clear we are to pray not TO but FOR the Holy Spirit.

That's just my expression for understanding the differing points of view as opposed to a Trinitarian doctrine that would perhaps call into question such a person's faith. In other words, I won't do that no matter which way a person goes. But I agree 110% with you about praying FOR the Holy Spirit instead of TO. Even in so-called mainline "trinitarian churches" the pastor in prayer often asks to the effect, "Fill us with your Holy Spirit". So, I just go by the language of the Bible and say the same thing when I pray to the Father - I don't really even pray to Jesus except through his name. I might be trinitarian, or again I might not be.

One thing you pointed out which is interesting is that the Spirit does not have a name. To be honest I had the same thought. Just "Holy Spirit" is not really a name (but a description) as the Father and as Jesus have names. Yet, God is a Spirit, Jesus said, so their essence is spirit and take that form. So why is there another "just form" without a name? Or, as some say, this is the power and manifestation of God by which God works. To put this into an every day example, this would be like having 3 cats. They are all cats. One is called Onyx, the other Pepper and the last one is called cat. ????

 

[gpresdo]

That's just my expression for understanding the differing points of view as opposed to a Trinitarian doctrine that would perhaps call into question such a person's faith. In other words, I won't do that no matter which way a person goes. But I agree 110% with you about praying FOR the Holy Spirit instead of TO. Even in so-called mainline "trinitarian churches" the pastor in prayer often asks to the effect, "Fill us with your Holy Spirit". So, I just go by the language of the Bible and say the same thing when I pray to the Father - I don't really even pray to Jesus except through his name. I might be trinitarian, or again I might not be.

One thing you pointed out which is interesting is that the Spirit does not have a name. To be honest I had the same thought. Just "Holy Spirit" is not really a name (but a description) as the Father and as Jesus have names. Yet, God is a Spirit, Jesus said, so their essence is spirit and take that form. So why is there another "just form" without a name? Or, as some say, this is the power and manifestation of God by which God works. To put this into an every day example, this would be like having 3 cats. They are all cats. One is called Onyx, the other Pepper and the last one is called cat. ????

What?....read scriptures...the name is...Holy Spirit.

When translated from Greek the word Pneuma...was miss- translated to Ghost. That is an error...it is properly...Spirit. Thus we have Holy Spirit.

 

[ElieG12]

Another interesting detail is that Jesus told his disciples not to leave Jerusalem so that they would receive the holy spirit from above... the detail is that he had to ask the Father for it, receive it from him, and then send it to his disciples, which he did when he anointed them in Jerusalem on the Feast of Pentecost.

Acts 1:4 While he was meeting with them, he ordered them: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but keep waiting for what the Father has promised, about which you heard from me"

... 2:33 Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.

Why did Jesus have to wait for his Father to give him holy spirit to send it to his disciples if IT were a person? And didn't Jesus already have the holy spirit since he had been anointed by God at his baptism? Did he need more in order to give more to his disciples?

John 14:16 And I will ask the Father and he will give you another helper to be with you forever, 17 the spirit of the truth, which the world cannot receive, because it neither sees it nor knows it. You know it, because it remains with you and is in you.

If the holy spirit were a person, none of that would make sense because that person would already be down with his disciples from before, and Jesus would not have to ask the Father to give it to him, because he could have spoken directly with that supposed other person, and have asked him to come help his disciples.

John 16:13 However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come. 14 That one will glorify me, because he will receive from what is mine and will declare it to you. 15 All the things that the Father has are mine. That is why I said he receives from what is mine and declares it to you.

 

[liafailrock]

What?....read scriptures...the name is...Holy Spirit.

When translated from Greek the word Pneuma...was miss- translated to Ghost. That is an error...it is properly...Spirit. Thus we have Holy Spirit.

Yes, I know that. But you think a description is a name?

 

[MatthewG]

Some things you can ask the Father in Jesus name (its something personally for me) concerning the holy spirit are;

While we all have problems in the flesh,

I believe we can ask the Father to help us in whatever ails you; but to remember that our flesh cant be perfect; but one can be perfect or mature in Christ.

“Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5‬:‭19‬-‭23‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness

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“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭11‬:‭13‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Luke 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!” | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

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I believe we can ask him to help us in ones unbelief

“Jesus said to him, “If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.” Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭9‬:‭23‬-‭24‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

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Jesus said to him, “If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.” Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!”

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