We are judged by works, not by faith

[Ghada]

Works come as a result of true salvation.
A true Christian automatic will do good.
The Bible says you shall know them by their fruits.
Salvation, faith and good works is a package.

Amen to that. I also like your use of the word automatic. Some Christians teach the word of God taking root and bearing fruit as temporal time, that can gradually take a while. It's during that time, that they say the babes remain filthy in their diapers.

The fact is that the seed of the Spirit can be compared to natural seed, but it does not operate and work naturally. The seed sown on the honest and good ground immediately takes root and produces good fruit in the heart and life of the newly born faithful believer and doer of God's word.

Those who don't immediately repent and obey the gospel and do His word, have their useless dead faith alone taken immediately away from their hearts by Satan. That is the lesson of the Sower of seed in the hearts of men by hearing of the word.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You have your doctrine of being saved by your own faith alone, without your works.

I have my doctrine of being justified by my faith with my works.

Salvation and justification are two different topics.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So long as we are doing them we are.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Only the faith without works gospel would preach He is our righteousness and we are made righteous as He, while doing unrighteousness of the devil.

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever is doing unrighteousness is not of God,

But then we've seen how you really don't believe your own teaching of salvation being by faith alone apart from our works.

Afterall, you judge all believing Christians as saved or not, based upon their ministerial works of agreeing with you or not.

Some Christians like teaching having faith without works, because it soothes their conscience when they sin again. I've sinned again, but I've never been tempted to believe I was justified by Christ while doing so.

so you believe you can go from being righteous to being unrighteous. Sad.

Well I can't speak to your hypothetical faith without works strawman you love to beat on, but I teach thae bible.

Jesus saves me forever apart from any works.

Jesus has become my righteousness, because He bvecame all my sin (not just most)

So because I have been made righteous and given a new nature, I am now able to do the works god calls for.

No believer loases their righteousness when they sini. Jesus never leaves nor forsakes us, even when we sin. we need to practice 1 John 1:9

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The gospel preaches the Christian life of going to sin no more with Jesus.

So do you believe in sinless perfection then?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This is true. And I have repeatedly quoted Bible that does not agree with your doctrine of being made righteous without doing righteousness.


This is also true, but your doctrine also separates being made righteous sons of God from doing the Father's will. And I have repeatedly shown the Bible and Jesus saying only those doing His will are His born sons.


I don't disagree with Bible truth, but only show by the Bible why I disagree with your truth you believe in.

Our disagreements are winding down, unless there is something new to add to them.

No you have just quoted James alone. YOu call Paul a liar. No matter how much you protest you do not.

I am saved and made righteous by Jesus. My godd works prove my righteousness, not causes me to be righteous. that is the Word of God according to James.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This is also true, but your doctrine also separates being made righteous sons of God from doing the Father's will. And I have repeatedly shown the Bible and Jesus saying only those doing His will are His born sons.

So you also reject Jesus as well.

Jesus said unless one believes they are not saved. He did not say, believe, and perform good works.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 6:28-30

King James Version

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28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

that is the work we must do. all other works proceed from this and this alone.

 

[Ghada]

In a moment, in a twinkling of an eye-we shall be raised.. That would mean all of us.

Shall be, not yet. All of them walking with Jesus in the end. None of them disobeying Him unto death.

Who said salvation depended on judgments of men?? Try to debate honestly.

Those who say James 2 is only speaking of being justified with men by their works, and not by God. It's saying James 2 is teaching us to seek the justification of men by works, that is not of God. Jesus rebukes that several times. (MAtthew 23)(John 5) Paul calls it putting on a fair show in the flesh. Jesus calls it putting on an appearance of outward righteousness, while being inwardly corrupt of heart and spirit.

Says you. If they had more than took a lookey loo at believers, and took the plunge and got saved, they would have done more than tasted.

How old are you. Please don't tell me you're just a kid under 30 or 40.

? Can you cite a few times today you have done 'the righteousness of God'? Then explain why you cast aspersions on other posters and believers, that they somehow have not? Sounds delusional.

I've confessed living holy and without blame in Christ according to the Bible, and you confess being sinful and with blame from time to time.

I used to be double hearted like you, but I never looked down on nor mocked them with single hearted love and righteousness with God. I believe that is why God has delivered me from Romans 7 wretchedness to enter into Romans 8 blessedness of walking in the Spirit, and not walking after the flesh.

You however by doctrinal mechanics have become bitter and mocking against them that have wholly repented of dead works.

More falsehoods stream from your mouth as is come to be expected. Asking Jesus to save us is the antithesis of 'filthy'

Asking for salvation does nothing to be saved by. Repenting and believing Jesus is salvation and justification of life.

Being saved by the blood of Jesus is actually nothing like that. Really. He washes us and makes us clean. What can take away my sins? Nothing but the blood of Jesus. You show me your works without Jesus in you and I will show you Jesus works in us!

Then you are washed clean and living holy and without blame in Christ Jesus? Just say so and I will of course believe you. But then why not be a preacher of righteousness in Christ, rather than one of double heartedness for life?

So David is in hell?

Once again. Purposed twisting things of others into something stupid, in order to mock what others say.

For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.

Several times this does not apply to you. It's that mocking spirit you have against the righteous and blameless in Christ, that brings out the worst of you.

Cut the pretense. Have you sinned this year at all?

Once again mocking any mention of not being a confessed sinner such as yourself.

Says you. I am not sure how He will reward believers

You don't know the first principles of God's judgement in the Bible and of the doctrine of Christ? Why aren't you asking questions rather than making declarations of your own? Especially judging the teaching the others as true or false?

and if that is the big criteria be all end all for Him. I think He will look at if we gave our heart to Him or not.

Once again, you're only talking about what you think? No wonder my teaching of the Bible has no effect on you.

Are you sinless? Tell us. I still make mistakes and am not perfect yet. I do, however have a Lawyer before God. His name is Jesus.

I've confessed living holy and without blame in Christ according to the Bible, and you confess being sinful and with blame from time to time.

You don't believe the first is possible by any Christian, since you're not walking like Jesus as we ought. I do believe your confession of double heartedness in the faith of Christ.

Why then do you get offended when people believe your own confession of living sinfully at times?

Not sure what that means. Apparently you seem to think you have no bad habits or sins and other believers do

If you were to grow up and call sins with it is, God could help you repent of it.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

I have a bad habit chewing on my nails, but I am not now sinning with the devil in works of the flesh. Nor am I lusting for the world in my heart.

'It'? Take 100 people and have them define "it" and I wager we get 100 different answers. Whatever 'it' may be, those pretending to be sinless and pure as the driven snow are not it!

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

If someone needs correction He gives it. Not you. You talk about filthy and sin in a vague way while making out as if you are pure.

Vague? I see your point. I try to be polite, but since you insist on straightforwardness, then I will oblige.

By your own confession of works as filthy rags and unrepenting sinning, you are still living filthy and sinful when you do such things.

You were saved when not a sinner? Do explain!

When saved we are no more sinners. The pure conversion of Jesus Christ is to become newborn babes holy and blameless in Christ. Neither our hearts nor lives are sinful at that time, because all things are now made new and all things are now of God.

By the perfect and pure new birth of God, the washed believer is now sinless as Jesus in whom is no sin, and ought walk that way with Him.

Those Christians claiming to be sinful and having sin in them, are not born of God nor in Christ. They still have some repenting and believing to do.

Jesus promises us liberty! We are free indeed.

And Christian doctrine of continued sinning from time to time preaches liberty that is service to corruption.

That's a mouthful. You are walking as He walked eh? Give details.

Unbelief from the heart in doing the righteousness of God. That is not the faith of Jesus. (Rom 10:10)

No, or present ones apparently!

This is the truth of the Bible. You speak of past sinning, as though it applied to the present for all Christians, because you are still doing past sins presently today.

You still don't know what it is to be wholly and purely newborn of God, where all things are now of God, and nothing is left of the devil. That's only because you don't believe in the perfect gospel and pure conversion of Jesus Christ for yourself. That's your problem of unbelief, not mine.

No, apparently you do not need to do better whatsoever, you have arrived at sinless perfection! One hopes you have not fooled anyone with that nonsense.

How many times does this make of mocking by unbelief of heart in the pure conversion of Jesus Christ?

Me either. All we can do is look at what we post. Any justification after being saved is not about salvation.

I would like to hear more about this. Are you saying being saved by God can be apart from being justified by Christ? Or are you saying our justification only has to do with works of ministry?

I agree, Jesus justified us. Those who imagine they run around justifying themselves are wrong though, of course.

True. It is God who judges the works and justifies or condemns the man.

Doing unrighteousness involves rejecting Jesus.

True. It begins with a heart of unbelief, that does not believe unto the righteousness of Jesus. It's the unbelief that says it is impossible to walk as Jesus walked. However, not all such unbelievers mock it like you.

 

[Grailhunter]

Nice verse. I already discussed that a few times and the context. Not sure what else you think is in there. Since your post says diddly squat about it, I guess no one will know what you think it means, if anything different. The context was after Jesus returned to earth in the future and separated the unsaved from the saved, and said a few words to each of them before sending them to their fate. So that was talking to a specific people in a specific time. A time unlike any other that ever was or will be.
Perhaps you are unaware of prophesy? Who do you think will be there in that judgment of nations when Jesus returns? Did you think all the dead of all ages?? The final great judgment is not till a thousand years after this, when the dead of all ages arise. So we might ask ourselves who the wicked unsaved people being judged here are. Did you think it was people from the 1800's? Old testament? Maybe someone could clear that up.
One scholar says this

"
Who Will Be Judged?

The following people will be judged when Christ returns.


1. Those Living From The Nation Israel

2. The Gentile Nations

3. The Old Testament Saints

4. The Tribulation Saints"

Whom Will Christ Judge at His Second Coming?

When Jesus returns to the earth at His Second Coming, He will return in judgment. Paul says. And to give relief to the afflicted as well as to us, when the

www.blueletterbible.org

Another important point is that it is nations He gathers.
Matthew 25:32

And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Some nations, then, persecuted and imprisoned His people. Which nations are gathered? Ancient ones? It seems to me it will be the nations that exist then.

Nations are judged by how they treat us! The saved are rewarded by how they treat other believers.

I am well versed with prophecy but that is not the main point or subject of these verses and I have ready explained that these verses give us an insight to how Christ looks at people that help others and those that do not help others and what Judgment Day will be like for both.

Now it is Sunday, did you go to church and worship the Lord or sit around the house thinking Christians do not have to do anything?

 

[Ghada]

Does that mean you confess to thinking you are without sin and pure and perfect?

Not thinking, but am and doing in Christ. That is now today, but tomorrow has it's own battles. That is why we are warned to continue in the fear of the Lord, and not be high-minded about His grace.

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

You don't live it at this time, because you don't believe it in your heart. If you repent and believe the perfect gospel and pure conversion of Jesus Christ, then you too can have and see His power to walk as He walked. The Father is not a respecter of persons. He receives all who repent and come to His Son to walk with Him in righteousness and true holiness.

 

[Ghada]

He was without sin. The rest of us weren't

True. All of have sinned and were not without sin before coming to Christ. Some continue sinning in His faith, but not all at present.

No.

You need to read more Bible.

And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.

There are other Christians such as yourself that put Jesus, as well as His apostles, on an idealized pedestal, so that they have excuse for not living as they. It's a kind of Christian idolizing of Jesus and His apostles, whose lives are idolized as ideal, but don't live it for themselves. It's just an ideal to shoot for, but never do.

Yes in the last days there will be unbelieving scoffers. Should we take it that you are trying to paint those as saved folks?

If you don't want to call yourself saved while scoffing at the very idea of walking pure and blameless as Jesus walked, then that's your conscience speaking.

 

[dad]

Shall be, not yet. All of them walking with Jesus in the end. None of them disobeying Him unto death.

In other words you claim it is BY walking a certain way at the time of death, that one is saved.

Those who say James 2 is only speaking of being justified with men by their works, and not by God. It's saying James 2 is teaching us to seek the justification of men by works, that is not of God. Jesus rebukes that several times. (MAtthew 23)(John 5) Paul calls it putting on a fair show in the flesh. Jesus calls it putting on an appearance of outward righteousness, while being inwardly corrupt of heart and spirit.

The Pharisees putting on the show were not saved. Their hearts were not right. When we sincerely come to Jesus, our heart is right, and He makes it a lot righter! No work justifies salvation. Only the cross does.

I've confessed living holy and without blame in Christ according to the Bible, and you confess being sinful and with blame from time to time.

I admit that we are a work in progress. You claim to have arrived at perfection.

I used to be double hearted like you, but I never looked down on nor mocked them with single hearted love and righteousness with God. I believe that is why God has delivered me from Romans 7 wretchedness to enter into Romans 8 blessedness of walking in the Spirit, and not walking after the flesh.

So by some imagined valiant effort of not dealing in truth with other believers you feel that is what earned you salvation. Thanks for admitting that. I have no patience for those mocking the price Jesus paid to save us, and instead attribute it to works.

You however by doctrinal mechanics have become bitter and mocking against them that have wholly repented of dead works.

People who ask Jesus in do repent. That does not mean instant perfection and sinless purity. It means He now lives in us and helps us and perfects us.

Asking for salvation does nothing to be saved by.

Every one that asks receives actually. He that comes to Jesus will not be cast away. Ever. Jesus did the work for salvation, we just accept it.

Then you are washed clean and living holy and without blame in Christ Jesus? Just say so and I will of course believe you.

We are not blamed if we happen to make a mistake in a way that changes being saved. We are not blamed because Jesus paid it all. All to Him I owe. (not because we are puritans and because of works that we have done)
Galatians 2:16

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

I've confessed living holy and without blame in Christ according to the Bible, and you confess being sinful and with blame from time to time.

All saved are without blame because of Jesus. If they need correction they get that to. Sins don't damn us or save us any more than works do.

Why then do you get offended when people believe your own confession of living sinfully at times?

Those who pretend they never needed correction aren't fooling many people. Being sons we have correction if needed. He that began a good work in us will finish it.

By your own confession of works as filthy rags and unrepenting sinning, you are still living filthy and sinful when you do such things.

Lying is a sin. Yet you claim to be purer than driven snow? People who sincerely come to Jesus are not unrepentant. Admitting all men are sinners and that only sinners get saved and after they are saved they still have a ways to go is not living filthy! It is what He asks.

Proverbs 24:16
The godly may trip seven times, but they will get up again. But one disaster is enough to overthrow the wicked.

People who think they save themselves by works and keep themselves saved by works live in fear of one little disaster!

When saved we are no more sinners. The pure conversion of Jesus Christ is to become newborn babes holy and blameless in Christ. Neither our hearts nor lives are sinful at that time, because all things are now made new and all things are now of God.

Let's find the right word then. The man Paul talked about who 'sinned' so bad that he had to be delivered over to Satan for the destruction of his body (death) so that his spirit would live...what would you call what he did? If not sin, what word would you prefer?

By the perfect and pure new birth of God, the washed believer is now sinless as Jesus in whom is no sin, and ought walk that way with Him.

Ought to. However even in the bible they failed. Like Peter. How about Barnabas and Paul arguing? At least one of them, I figure, must have been wrong. Is that how a washed believer who is sinless should walk?

Acts 15:37 And Barnabas determined to take with them John, whose surname was Mark.


38 But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.


39 And the contention was so sharp between them, that they departed asunder one from the other: and so Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus;

And Christian doctrine of continued sinning from time to time preaches liberty that is service to corruption.

Admitting He corrects believers as needed is absolute fact. Pretending otherwise is fraud.

Unbelief from the heart in doing the righteousness of God.

When people blow it and make a mistake sometime, that is not because their heart is in unbelief. That battle was settled when they came to Jesus. People condemning a sister or brother for some little mistake when they probably do a lot worse are worse.

You still don't know what it is to be wholly and purely newborn of God,

Yes it is called being saved. Born again. Once a baby is born, God doesn't kill it when it poops or cries!

Are you saying being saved by God can be apart from being justified by Christ?

WE are justified when we get saved by Jesus. Any other justifying is another matter.

Or are you saying our justification only has to do with works of ministry?

Define justification? Do you mean rewards for a job well done as a good and faithful servant? Or do you mean salvation?

 

[dad]

I am well versed with prophecy but that is not the main point or subject of these verses and I have ready explained that these verses give us an insight to how Christ looks at people that help others and those that do not help others and what Judgment Day will be like for both.

The verse was about nations after the tribulation. It was not about being saved for works. If you are going to a church that says otherwise, sorry to hear it.

 

[Grailhunter]

The verse was about nations after the tribulation.

In correct again.

It was not about being saved for works

There are very few people that think that works save you.....Christ saves you....but there are works that you can do that He will judge you to Hell for....sins and not helping others.....Love God and love one another are the summation of His teachings. If Christ thought like you He would have done nothing and nobody would be saved. Followers of Christ emulate His character and help others

The lukewarm Christians....the do nothing Christians....will receive their rewards.....tell them to pack the barbecue sauce in the casket because you will need it.....sizzle! sizzle!

Mathew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Those that play Christ for fool and give Him lip service will have burning lips.

If you are going to a church that says otherwise, sorry to hear it.

But did you go to chuch today or snub Christ today?

 

[dad]

Not thinking, but am and doing in Christ.

I disagree. I do not believe you. Not for a minute. You claim to be "without sin and pure and perfect" right now! I guess you use some other word for sin? Mistakes? Blowing it? trespasses? By the way if we are to forgive brothers and sisters for their trespasses, how it it they have sins to forgive at all?! Thet begs the question, if people imagine themselves to be without sin, what do they think of the rest of the believers in the world who make no such dishonest pretense?

That is now today, but tomorrow has it's own battles. That is why we are warned to continue in the fear of the Lord, and not be high-minded about His grace.

In other words you seem to be saying you barely made it as perfect and pure and sinless today, and are basically walking on glass because who knows if you might make some little mistake and lose your salvation and face hellfire tomorrow!?

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

You don't live it at this time, because you don't believe it in your heart.

False. Believers who try and possibly sometimes fail are doing the best they can. 2 Cor is in the context of idol worship.

2 Cor 6:
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.


17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.


18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

So chapter 7 starts with this

1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

So people that were involved in demon worship of idols needed to come out of that and be saved. When we come to Jesus we do need to be sincere and depart from our old lives etc. If any were pressured or tempted to keep on engaging in idol worship, they are reminded here to cleanse themselves from that. This does not mean that they suddenly are pure as snow and without any mistakes or issues. Nor does it mean they aren't saved if they are saved!

you too can have and see His power to walk as He walked.

To some extent yes, of course. If you take that to mean you could never think a bad thought again, or jaywalk or scowl at your neighbors etc etc you would be wrong. Being saved means we are forgiven for all our sins and now going to heaven forever. Any corrections, or mistakes etc will never change that.

 

[dad]

True. All of have sinned and were not without sin before coming to Christ. Some continue sinning in His faith, but not all at present.

Some pretend that what they do after being saved is always perfect. You know the type.

And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

In other words, folks, get saved! Once they turn then they have turned. If some judgmental hypocrite then accuses some who turned to Jesus of some little mistake while claiming to be perfect, that is a sin.

There are other Christians such as yourself that put Jesus, as well as His apostles, on an idealized pedestal, so that they have excuse for not living as they. It's a kind of Christian idolizing of Jesus and His apostles, whose lives are idolized as ideal, but don't live it for themselves. It's just an ideal to shoot for, but never do.

Otherwise called being honest. Striving to be more like Jesus does not mean we are exactly like Him and perfect in every way instantly.

If you don't want to call yourself saved while scoffing at the very idea of walking pure and blameless as Jesus walked, then that's your conscience speaking.

I am saved. Totally. Forever. Nothing can separate me from the love of God. If I were to ask every person I ever met since being saved many years ago if I had done anything that was not perfect, I am sure I would hear about a few things! So when I see someone claiming that poop doesn't stink, it sets off alarm bells.

 

[dad]

In correct again.

I posted the verses that said He gathered the nations. Your parroting changes nothing.

There are very few people that think that works save you.....Christ saves you....but there are works that you can do that He will judge you to Hell for

Not after He already saved you. You are making stuff up

....sins and not helping others.....Love God and love one another are the summation of His teachings. If Christ thought like you He would have done nothing and nobody would be saved. Followers of Christ emulate His character and help others

They can try. Look around and see how well they do. I have the mind of Christ so He does think like me because I look to what He said and thought. It is clear that He is not a liar and when He gives us eternal life that does not mean life for a year and 2 days if we accidentally kick a kitten.

The lukewarm Christians....the do nothing Christians....will receive their rewards.....tell them to pack the barbecue sauce in the casket because you will need it.....sizzle! sizzle!

Sinners saved by the mercy and grace of Jesus tend not to be lukewarm in my experience. Now Jesus talked of churches being lukewarm! I agree with Him totally. They make me sick also.

Mathew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Those that play Christ for fool and give Him lip service will have burning lips.

In that chapter we see this

Matthew 7:8

For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

He then talks about false prophets. They pretend to be something else. They wear sheep's clothes. In that context we are told not everyone that mouths the words Lord Lord is for real!

That has zero to do with the every one that asks receives! It has to do with phonies, and liars and pretenders that try to appear as if they are sheep and saved and His people. They actually are wolves inside. Not saved. So you misapply the verse!

 

[Grailhunter]

I posted the verses that said He gathered the nations. Your parroting changes nothing.

Not after He already saved you. You are making stuff up

They can try. Look around and see how well they do. I have the mind of Christ so He does think like me because I look to what He said and thought. It is clear that He is not a liar and when He gives us eternal life that does not mean life for a year and 2 days if we accidentally kick a kitten.


Sinners saved by the mercy and grace of Jesus tend not to be lukewarm in my experience. Now Jesus talked of churches being lukewarm! I agree with Him totally. They make me sick also.

In that chapter we see this

Matthew 7:8

For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

He then talks about false prophets. They pretend to be something else. They wear sheep's clothes. In that context we are told not everyone that mouths the words Lord Lord is for real!

That has zero to do with the every one that asks receives! It has to do with phonies, and liars and pretenders that try to appear as if they are sheep and saved and His people. They actually are wolves inside. Not saved. So you misapply the verse!

It is obvious that you have no clue about Christianity and worse than that a warped view of what it is to be a Christian so sit on your couch and wait for your reward on Judgment Day....LOL

Either way as the English say....You are boring me now....so good-bye

 

[dad]

It is obvious that you have no clue about Christianity and worse than that a warped view of what it is to be a Christian so sit on your couch and wait for your reward on Judgment Day....LOL

Either way as the English say....You are boring me now....so good-bye

Not your idea of a works trip 'Christianity'. I prefer the good news.

 

[Ghada]

You are on thin ice there pal.

Really? What thin ice? Are you saying my soul is in danger of damnation and fires of hell by your judgment of my deeds?

According to your gospel, how can any believer in Jesus Christ be anywhere near thin ice with their souls? Or, do you not really believe your own gospel of saving faith being always apart from our works. Are we not all family of God by believing in Christ alone? Are you now going to begin judging believers by their works?

With your soap box that you preach on, you saying any Christian believer is on thin ice, is as a little symbol tinkling in the breeze, with not so much as a puff of smoke. Are you kidding me? You are now going to judge and condemn other believers in Jesus Christ by their works? Seriously? Or do you just judge other Christian believers as saved or not, by whether they agree with you or not.

Do you only preach all Christians believing in Christ are forever saved by their faith alone, until you draw the official thin ice line, when other Christians make you pouty by teaching your own words back to you?

If you judge that any Christian believing in Jesus Christ is anywhere near thin ice, then you disavow your own gospel and all the teaching you have done thus far.

Seriously? Go ahead. Declare your judgment. What Christians believing in Jesus Christ can ever be on thin ice, much less not saved. Go ahead declare it. What Christian believer in Jesus Christ can ever be judged by their works, as being unforgiven of any sins, much less past, present, and future by the death of Jesus on the cross.

Go on, pal.

 

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Really? What thin ice?

Biblically. You said this "Those Christians that say they are saved, or even the whole world are saved, because Jesus died on the cross, are not teaching the everlasting gospel of Jesus Christ in the Bible."

The only reason we are saved is because He died for us, so that we can accept His gift. That is the gospel. Not of works lest any man should boast.

According to your gospel, how can any believer in Jesus Christ be anywhere near thin ice with their souls?

Such an extremist. You leap to a conclusion that if you are wrong it means that you are damned. Many of us have been wrong about some things.

Or, do you not really believe your own gospel of saving faith being always apart from our works.

Works are works and salvation is salvation. Don't conflate the two. As James said, I'll show you my faith by my works. So if He is in us working there will be something to show. Those works are not what keeps us saved. The works are a result of having been saved, and Him working in us.

Are we not all family of God by believing in Christ alone?

Aren't we?

Are you now going to begin judging believers by their works?

Except that you misunderstood the thing you quoted as explained.

With your soap box that you preach on, you saying any Christian believer is on thin ice, is as a little symbol tinkling in the breeze, with not so much as a puff of smoke. Are you kidding me? You are now going to judge and condemn other believers in Jesus Christ by their works? Seriously? Or do you just judge other Christian believers as saved or not, by whether they agree with you or not.

Since your strawman argument is directed at a gross misunderstanding of what was quoted, your post has no relevance.

Do you only preach all Christians believing in Christ are forever saved by their faith alone, until you draw the official thin ice line, when other Christians make you pouty by teaching your own words back to you?

More strawman nonsense. I had explained many time once saved always saved. How could anyone be on thin ice regarding salvation? That makes no sense. Maybe in your head where it all rests on not making a single sin or mistake it makes sense?

Seriously? Go ahead. Declare your judgment. What Christians believing in Jesus Christ can ever be on thin ice, much less not saved. Go ahead declare it. What Christian believer in Jesus Christ can ever be judged by their works, as being unforgiven of any sins, much less past, present, and future by the death of Jesus on the cross.

Go on, pal.

You can be on thin ice biblically when you have no support for something. Your works trip thing for example. Try addressing what is actually discussed here rather than self righteous strawman rants that are lost in space and unconnected to logic or the discussant or reality.
It might be better to admit you have lost the argument rather than go off on strange soap box strawman tangents. Not like you are fooling anyone.