Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[Jay Ross]

Strickly speaking Daniel's 70 weeks of years prophecy ended, with the Birth of Christ, after Israel had been given 490 years to repent of their idolatrous worship.

 

[St. SteVen]

Strickly speaking Daniel's 70 weeks of years prophecy ended, with the Birth of Christ, after Israel had been given 490 years to repent of their idolatrous worship.

Should I assume you are addressing me?
If you hit the reply button, posters will know WHAT you are replying to. - FYI

I'm not telling you what to do.
Just explaining why no one knows who you are responding to.

What about Jerusalem?
Was Jerusalem destroyed in the year of Christ's birth?
Obviously not.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Interesting topic, thanks.
I don't see "your people and for your holy city" addressed in your timeline,
I assume this means Israel and Jerusalem? Why the timeline marker on the gentiles?

Here is my timeline and dates for Daniels 70-weeks prophecy.

"Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city… Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks …​

And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; … he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.” (Daniel 9:24-27 NKJV abbrev.)​

Here is the timeline again. The time determined for ”your people” was for them to receive first option to the good news of the new covenant. When the 490 years were completed, the gospel was opened to the Gentiles. (Acts 10) Am I understanding your question @St. SteVen ?

 

[Brakelite]

Strickly speaking Daniel's 70 weeks of years prophecy ended, with the Birth of Christ, after Israel had been given 490 years to repent of their idolatrous worship.

I respectfully disagree, the 490 years finished at His death...33ad... At His anointing and Baptisn, when the holy Spirit came upon Him and His ministry as Messiah began, was 69 weeks.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Hi Brake,
I gave your diagram a tick, but a small point is the commonly quoted end of weeks at the stoning of Stephen. I think the better event is the conversion of the Gentiles at Cornelius‘s house. Have a look at the Atonement Clock when you get a chance.

 

[jeffweeder]

Strickly speaking Daniel's 70 weeks of years prophecy ended, with the Birth of Christ, after Israel had been given 490 years to repent of their idolatrous worship.

Strictly speaking the 70 weeks ended with the arrival of their Messiah (Jesus) to atone for sin etc , through the shedding of his own blood.
A new and living way through his resurrection once and FOR ALL....Gentile's welcome.

 

[Jay Ross]

Should I assume you are addressing me?
If you hit the reply button, posters will know WHAT you are replying to. - FYI

I'm not telling you what to do.
Just explaining why no one knows who you are responding to.

What about Jerusalem?
Was Jerusalem destroyed in the year of Christ's birth?
Obviously not.

Please note that my previous comment was addressing the Thread's title and not to any one post as such.

Now in this post I am addressing the last three line of your post.

The destruction of the temple and Jerusalem and Judea was carried out by the Little Horn and the army that he was given for this purpose was the Roman Army. Incidentally, the roman army under the influence of the Little Horn began trampling God's Earthly Hosts around the year 60 BC. Then around 70 AD the Roman army was used by the Little Horn, (called a prince in Daniel 9:26b), to destroy the Temple and to begin scattering the Israelites to the four of the earth, which has continued to this present time.

From my study of Daniel 9:24-27 I perceive that there are at least five distinct and independent prophecies. Where we begin to run into trouble with the respective understanding the respective time intervals that the five prophecies are pertinent too.

Daniel 9:24 seventy weeks of years played out from 494 BC to 4 BC when most scholars believe that Christ was born, and is described in these four lines of the Prophecy: -

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24 "Seventy weeks are determined​

For your people and for your holy city,​

To finish the transgression,​

To make an end of sins,​

After which God informs the Israelites that the following will occur: -

To make reconciliation for iniquity,​

To bring in everlasting righteousness,​

To seal up vision and prophecy,​

And to anoint a scared place {as being} Holy. ​

Christ achieved this when He was crucified on the cross.

Daniel 9:25 is the second independent prophecy which speaks of the temple being rebuild during times of trouble: -

25 "Know therefore and understand,​

That from the going forth of the command​

To restore and build Jerusalem​

Until Messiah the Prince,​

There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;​

The street shall be built again, and the wall, ​

Even in troublesome times. ​

Daniel 9:26a is the third independent prophecy which speaks of the death of Christ on the cross: -

26a "And after the sixty-two weeks​

Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;​

Daniel 9:26b is the fourth independent prophecy which speaks of the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers upon their children and their children's children during the third and the fourth ages: -

26b "And the people of the prince who is to come​

Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.​

The end of it shall be with a flood,​

And till the end of the war desolations are determined. ​

The war mentioned in this independent prophecy is a reference of the battle in heaven over two ages before Satan and his fallen heavenly hosts are displaced from heaven down to the surface of the earth, which will occur in our near future at the end of the age at the same time that the Gentile kings of the earth are judged t Armageddon.

We should note that during the Daniel 8 prophecy's 2,300-year time span, the Little Horn is given many Gentile armies to trample God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts.

Daniel 7:27 is the fifth independent prophecy that comes into play after Satan, the judged heavenly hosts and the judged Gentile kings are able to rise up out of the Bottomless pit after it is unlock, 1,000-years into the seventh Age during the short period of time described as the Little While in Daniel 7:12.

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;​

But in the middle of the week​

He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.​

And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,​

Even until the consummation, which is determined,​

Is poured out on the desolator.​

The fifth prophecy in Daniel 9:27 is also associated with the time of the Great Tribulation.

The error has come about because people have tried to couple the last four independent prophecies to the first prophecy in Daniel 9:24 by concluding the 7 weeks of years plus the 62 week of years and plus the one week of years add up to seventy weeks of years, but the timespan contained within Daniel 9:24-27 spans around three and a half ages, a time period much great than the 70 weeks of years, i.e. 490 years and as such they have tried to add apples with oranges and grapefruit. This just does not work.

Shalom

 

[Jay Ross]

Strictly speaking the 70 weeks ended with the arrival of their Messiah (Jesus) to atone for sin etc , through the shedding of his own blood.
A new and living way through his resurrection once and FOR ALL....Gentile's welcome.

That may be your opinion, but I have provided more information in my post above to answer this question as to when it all applies.

 

[Brakelite]

Hi Brake,
I gave your diagram a tick, but a small point is the commonly quoted end of weeks at the stoning of Stephen. I think the better event is the conversion of the Gentiles at Cornelius‘s house. Have a look at the Atonement Clock when you get a chance.

Interesting. Cheers, Chris, will check it out.

 

[jeffweeder]

That may be your opinion, but I have provided more information in my post above to answer this question as to when it all applies.

I think scriptural information is more relevant as to when it applies...,

24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God), to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years]; it will be built again, with [a city] plaza and moat, even in times of trouble.

The lord was not anointed at his birth. He was 30 years old when he was anointed with the ministry of reconcilliation...(atonement)

 

[covenantee]

Please note that my previous comment was addressing the Thread's title and not to any one post as such.

Now in this post I am addressing the last three line of your post.

The destruction of the temple and Jerusalem and Judea was carried out by the Little Horn and the army that he was given for this purpose was the Roman Army. Incidentally, the roman army under the influence of the Little Horn began trampling God's Earthly Hosts around the year 60 BC. Then around 70 AD the Roman army was used by the Little Horn, (called a prince in Daniel 9:26b), to destroy the Temple and to begin scattering the Israelites to the four of the earth, which has continued to this present time.

From my study of Daniel 9:24-27 I perceive that there are at least five distinct and independent prophecies. Where we begin to run into trouble with the respective understanding the respective time intervals that the five prophecies are pertinent too.

Daniel 9:24 seventy weeks of years played out from 494 BC to 4 BC when most scholars believe that Christ was born, and is described in these four lines of the Prophecy: -

.

24 "Seventy weeks are determined​

For your people and for your holy city,​

To finish the transgression,​

To make an end of sins,​

After which God informs the Israelites that the following will occur: -

To make reconciliation for iniquity,​

To bring in everlasting righteousness,​

To seal up vision and prophecy,​

And to anoint a scared place {as being} Holy. ​

Christ achieved this when He was crucified on the cross.

Daniel 9:25 is the second independent prophecy which speaks of the temple being rebuild during times of trouble: -

25 "Know therefore and understand,​

That from the going forth of the command​

To restore and build Jerusalem​

Until Messiah the Prince,​

There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;​

The street shall be built again, and the wall, ​

Even in troublesome times. ​

Daniel 9:26a is the third independent prophecy which speaks of the death of Christ on the cross: -

26a "And after the sixty-two weeks​

Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;​

Daniel 9:26b is the fourth independent prophecy which speaks of the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers upon their children and their children's children during the third and the fourth ages: -

26b "And the people of the prince who is to come​

Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.​

The end of it shall be with a flood,​

And till the end of the war desolations are determined. ​

The war mentioned in this independent prophecy is a reference of the battle in heaven over two ages before Satan and his fallen heavenly hosts are displaced from heaven down to the surface of the earth, which will occur in our near future at the end of the age at the same time that the Gentile kings of the earth are judged t Armageddon.

We should note that during the Daniel 8 prophecy's 2,300-year time span, the Little Horn is given many Gentile armies to trample God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts.

Daniel 7:27 is the fifth independent prophecy that comes into play after Satan, the judged heavenly hosts and the judged Gentile kings are able to rise up out of the Bottomless pit after it is unlock, 1,000-years into the seventh Age during the short period of time described as the Little While in Daniel 7:12.

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;​

But in the middle of the week​

He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.​

And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,​

Even until the consummation, which is determined,​

Is poured out on the desolator.​

The fifth prophecy in Daniel 9:27 is also associated with the time of the Great Tribulation.

The error has come about because people have tried to couple the last four independent prophecies to the first prophecy in Daniel 9:24 by concluding the 7 weeks of years plus the 62 week of years and plus the one week of years add up to seventy weeks of years, but the timespan contained within Daniel 9:24-27 spans around three and a half ages, a time period much great than the 70 weeks of years, i.e. 490 years and as such the have tried to add apples with oranges and grapefruit. This just does not work.

Shalom

Applying grammatical antecedents/referents to the passage:

The grammatical antecedent/referent of "he" in verse 27 is "the prince" in verse 26b.
The grammatical antecedent/referent of "the prince" in verse 26b is "Messiah the Prince" in verse 25.

This is consistent with Scripture and history, which identify Messiah as the One who confirmed the New Covenant in His Blood with many. Matthew 26:28

 

[St. SteVen]

When the 490 years were completed, the gospel was opened to the Gentiles. (Acts 10) Am I understanding your question @St. SteVen ?

No sir, you are not understanding my question.
I assume this means Israel and Jerusalem. "your people and for your holy city"
No indication that it was about the gentiles. Am I missing something?
I mean, besides the gentiles. - LOL

 

[Jay Ross]

Strictly speaking the 70 weeks ended with the arrival of their Messiah (Jesus) to atone for sin etc , through the shedding of his own blood.
A new and living way through his resurrection once and FOR ALL....Gentile's welcome.

I have presented a very different way of looking at the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecies. The Daniel 9:24a portion of the 70 weeks of years prophecies must be viewed with respect to Exodus 20:4-6 prophecy. God, through His Grace gave Israel an opportunity to repent of their idolatrous worship. If they had repented, could there have been a very different outcome for all of the world?

 

[Jay Ross]

Applying grammatical antecedents/referents to the passage:

The grammatical antecedent/referent of "he" in verse 27 is "the prince" in verse 26b.
The grammatical antecedent/referent of "the prince" in verse 26b is "Messiah the Prince" in verse 25.

This is consistent with Scripture and history, which identify Messiah as the One who confirmed the New Covenant in His Blood with many. Matthew 26:28

You are entitled to present your opinion. I have presented my opinion as to how Daniel 9:24-27 should be understood.

 

[Jay Ross]

I think scriptural information is more relevant as to when it applies...,

24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God), to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years]; it will be built again, with [a city] plaza and moat, even in times of trouble.

The lord was not anointed at his birth. He was 30 years old when he was anointed with the ministry of reconcilliation...(atonement)

You are looking at an understanding that is very different to the one that I presented.

It is my view that the understanding of Daniel 9:24-27 that I presented is more contextually relevant to us today than the understanding that you believe is true.

So be it.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

@Jay Ross

From my study of Daniel 9:24-27 I perceive that there are at least five distinct and independent prophecies. Where we begin to run into trouble with the respective understanding the respective time intervals that the five prophecies are pertinent too.

Daniel 9:24 seventy weeks of years played out from 494 BC to 4 BC when most scholars believe that Christ was born, and is described in these four lines of the Prophecy: -
...
The error has come about because people have tried to couple the last four independent prophecies to the first prophecy in Daniel 9:24 by concluding the 7 weeks of years plus the 62 week of years and plus the one week of years add up to seventy weeks of years, but the timespan contained within Daniel 9:24-27 spans around three and a half ages, a time period much great than the 70 weeks of years, i.e. 490 years and as such the have tried to add apples with oranges and grapefruit. This just does not work.

Cutting to the crux of your view, you claim the 70 Weeks happened between 494 BC and 4 BC. That's a new one I haven't heard before. What exactly happened in 494 BC?

Gabriel speaking on behalf of God is pretty specific that it is 70 weeks (of years) which have been cut out from history. Three and a half ages? Don't see a lick of evidence for that in what Gabriel said.
[Dan 9:24 LSB] 24 "Seventy weeks have been determined for your people and for your holy city, ....

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

There can only be one correct interpretation of the 70 Weeks prophecy. That means most views are wrong. When considering the interpretation that I have researched, I wanted to identify a single issue as the test to judge all other interpretations by. I think I have found it.

Everyone argues endlessly about which king made the decree to start the whole period of the 70 Weeks. Was is Cyrus? Was it Darius? Was it Artaxerxes? Was it something else people come up with? Well, Ezra gives us the major clue.

When talking about the second temple, he says: [Ezr 6:14 LSB] 14b So they built and completed [it] according to the decree of the God of Israel and the decree of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.

Ezra states there were actually four decrees(commandments) given regarding rebuilding the temple. No one recognizes this or addresses it. That is, my interpretation does. Unless an interpretation addresses this verse and explains what's with the decree God made, it leads to a wrong understanding and the structural foundation is faulty from the start.

 

[covenantee]

You are entitled to present your opinion. I have presented my opinion as to how Daniel 9:24-27 should be understood.

Grammar isn't an opinion. It's an objective set of rules.

Confirmed in this instance by Scripture and history.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There can only be one correct interpretation of the 70 Weeks prophecy. That means most views are wrong. When considering the interpretation that I have researched, I wanted to identify a single issue as the test to judge all other interpretations by. I think I have found it.

Everyone argues endlessly about which king made the decree to start the whole period of the 70 Weeks. Was is Cyrus? Was it Darius? Was it Artaxerxes? Was it something else people come up with? Well, Ezra gives us the major clue.

When talking about the second temple, he says: [Ezr 6:14 LSB] 14b So they built and completed [it] according to the decree of the God of Israel and the decree of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.

Ezra states there were actually four decrees(commandments) given regarding rebuilding the temple. No one recognizes this or addresses it. That is, my interpretation does. Unless an interpretation addresses this verse and explains what's with the decree God made, it leads to a wrong understanding and the structural foundation is faulty from the start.

the issue, is the 70 weeks did nto start with the command to rebuilt the temple. it begins with the command to rebuild the CITY

this is only found in one place. in neh 2 with artexerxes:

2 And it came to pass in the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes,

4. So I prayed to the God of heaven. 5 And I said to the king, “If it pleases the king, and if your servant has found favor in your sight, I ask that you send me to Judah, to the city of my fathers’ tombs, that I may rebuild it.”

before this. the only decrees were to rebuld the temple. in fact in one of those decreed they had to stop. because they were trying to build the city walls. which they were not allowed to do

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

the issue, is the 70 weeks did nto start with the command to rebuilt the temple. it begins with the command to rebuild the CITY

this is only found in one place. in neh 2 with artexerxes:

2 And it came to pass in the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes,

4. So I prayed to the God of heaven. 5 And I said to the king, “If it pleases the king, and if your servant has found favor in your sight, I ask that you send me to Judah, to the city of my fathers’ tombs, that I may rebuild it.”

before this. the only decrees were to rebuld the temple. in fact in one of those decreed they had to stop. because they were trying to build the city walls. which they were not allowed to do

Ok. I go along with your assumption. It's the very common one. Presented by Sir Robert Anderson and later updated by Harold Hoehner. So when exactly was that decree by Artaxerxes given? It's always assumed it was on Nisan 1. But no where is that information given. THAT is the faulty foundation in this view.