Mental Disorder of LGBT: Analysis - Spiritual, Political and Scientific

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BarneyFife

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BUT IF WE USE the simple truth in that bible , WELL at least TIN MAN would have heard the truth
"For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

"If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell."
 
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I'm not sure I can contribute meaningfully to a discussion in which the goalposts undergo constant repositioning. Who said anything about the definition of mental illness or dysfunction?
you announced that "Sexual deviance results in mental illness." it does not.
The world is full of very high-functioning sufferers of mental illness. Even the abuse of heterosexual relations can cause dysfunction. And mental illness is, at the most basic level, a malfunction, disruption, or absence of cognitive processes. But a person can find any definition for it for which they're willing to spend enough time looking.
I posted the APA definition and I spent no time searching for it as it is basic general knowledge.
I had a cousin who died of complications from HIV at the height of the initial epidemic. So I know what it's like to grieve the abuses of LGBT souls for whom Christ died. But I won't rubber-stamp his choices to the peril of my own soul or that of others. Being attracted to the same sex didn't kill my cousin. But a disease that is easily spread by activity that God has forbidden most certainly did. Even heterosexual people aren't forced to have sex. They choose to.
You are of course aware that of all known cases of HIV/AIDS the largest group is heterosexual women and the second largest group are children under the age of 14.
 

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you announced that "Sexual deviance results in mental illness." it does not.

It does too?

I posted the APA definition and I spent no time searching for it as it is basic general knowledge.

Well, since it wasn't meant as a personal accusation, I'm not sure that matters too much since the fact remains that for every 9 people you ask, you'll get 11 different answers and I hope you don't think all the 'respected' authorities have the same definition.

You are of course aware that of all known cases of HIV/AIDS the largest group is heterosexual women and the second largest group are children under the age of 14.
Indeed, I am, as it would seem to be the natural course of things, but such was not the case when my cousin succumbed to it in the '90s.

I brought up my cousin's case to express my own sense of compassion—not to start another diversion of hair-splitting.

But since you seem to be taking things personally and determined to construct your replies through the lens of a social engineering-inspired ideology, I fear our discussion will be quickly drawing to a close.

I don't suppose you'd care to comment on any of the things I posted, other than the ones that seem to have appealed to you as easily seized upon?

If I've overlooked any of your comments please let me know. :)
 

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It does too?
Evidence?

Well, since it wasn't meant as a personal accusation, I'm not sure that matters too much since the fact remains that for every 9 people you ask, you'll get 11 different answers and I hope you don't think all the 'respected' authorities have the same definition.
So present such a definition from at respected organization.
Indeed, I am, as it would seem to be the natural course of things, but such was not the case when my cousin succumbed to it in the '90s.
it was always that way
I brought up my cousin's case to express my own sense of compassion—not to start another diversion of hair-splitting.

But since you seem to be taking things personally and determined to construct your replies through the lens of a social engineering-inspired ideology, I fear our discussion will be quickly drawing to a close.

I don't suppose you'd care to comment on any of the things I posted, other than the ones that seem to have appealed to you as easily seized upon?
Such as?
 

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This would be funny if there weren't people who believed this.

Yeah the "study" is a piece of work. All 11 of the men began their "program of conversion" while still minors meaning they didn't have a choice. The Pentecostal "program" for gays involves verbal, emotional and physical abuse. It also involves extreme isolation. They are held prisoner in their homes with not outside contact except for church. (the better to hide the signs of abuse) The study participants were interviewed with their families and pastor present. 8 of he men became emotionally detached from homosexual identity. Detachment is not an uncommon thing to observe in people who had and are being tortured. 3 men were "functionally heterosexual" with some evidence of neurotic conflict. Notice that the researchers aren't saying they were heterosexual they would just go through the motions which caused them distress.
This was written up 40 plus years ago. I hope that these men managed to escape their abusers and get some help in healing themselves.

A lot of these "conversion therapies" are an act of man, you can't force people out of their sexuality, it is something they have to decide for themselves.

Now I don't want to start up a new thread,

But gender dysphoria is definitely a concern, basically there is a chunk of Gen Z and a majority of Gen Alpha in the public system being taught or has been taught that they should consider being a girl even though they were born as a boy and were born with male parts, or they should consider being a boy and were born with female parts.

They should not be handed or suggested these decisions as kids and teenagers.

Is it gonna get to a stage when people no longer know whether if they are biologically a male or female or an Adam or Eve? Now that is a concern, with all the confusion being taught at public schools in the West.
 

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The reason the LGBT movement is getting a pass is that, in order to check its advance, evangelical Christianity would have to fess up to their own perversions within the superficial, heterosexual house of cards they've built on the shoulders of the "Summer Of Love." Several books have been published exposing this scandalous situation.

I've seen websites run by 'Christians' who teach and celebrate such vile practices that I felt like I needed a shower after briefly investigating.

Anyone who is interested in information on human sexuality from a Biblical and scientific perspective without the encumbrances of the sexual revolution and its Constantinian-like aftermath might benefit from watching this:


(Dr. Nedley talks pretty slowly, so don't be afraid to increase the playback speed in 'preferences' by click/tapping on the cog symbol.)
 

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A lot of these "conversion therapies" are an act of man, you can't force people out of their sexuality, it is something they have to decide for themselves.

Sure! It's a 7th commandment issue and therefore protected by God-given religious liberty.

I'm not a big Dennis Prager fan but I like a motto he uses:

"Standards in the macro; compassion in the micro."

Mainstream "pro-family" organizations are just as guilty of emotional reasoning as the people they want to reform.
 

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A lot of these "conversion therapies" are an act of man, you can't force people out of their sexuality, it is something they have to decide for themselves.

Now I don't want to start up a new thread,

But gender dysphoria is definitely a concern, basically there is a chunk of Gen Z and a majority of Gen Alpha in the public system being taught or has been taught that they should consider being a girl even though they were born as a boy and were born with male parts, or they should consider being a boy and were born with female parts.
A majority has been specifically taught that they should consider being transgender? Really
How about some actual evidence?
They should not be handed or suggested these decisions as kids and teenagers.

Is it gonna get to a stage when people no longer know whether if they are biologically a male or female or an Adam or Eve? Now that is a concern, with all the confusion being taught at public schools in the West.
Where is this being taught?
 

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The reason the LGBT movement is getting a pass is that, in order to check its advance, evangelical Christianity would have to fess up to their own perversions within the superficial, heterosexual house of cards they've built on the shoulders of the "Summer Of Love." Several books have been published exposing this scandalous situation.

I've seen websites run by 'Christians' who teach and celebrate such vile practices that I felt like I needed a shower after briefly investigating.

Anyone who is interested in information on human sexuality from a Biblical and scientific perspective without the encumbrances of the sexual revolution and its Constantinian-like aftermath might benefit from watching this:


(Dr. Nedley talks pretty slowly, so don't be afraid to increase the playback speed in 'preferences' by click/tapping on the cog symbol.)
and just what are they "getting a pass" on?
 

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A majority has been specifically taught that they should consider being transgender? Really
How about some actual evidence?

Where is this being taught?
Yikes, all you gotta do is flick on the TV, there is a growing number of kids identifying as the opposite sex or gender neutral, just look at the increasing number of interviews on the subject, you are only 1 year younger then me, maybe it was different in your country, but I know when I was a kid and teenager, kids and teens identifying as the opposite sex was nearly unheard of in Australia, and gender neutral was unheard of, or so it seemed.
 
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Evidence is available no matter where one was at any given time

...unless one doesn't even know what the evidence should include.

As you can see Women have always had higher infection rates.

Well, only if "always" somehow began in 1990.

I'm pretty sure I wasn't dreaming when I came to work one morning in early '87 and heard on Armed Forces Radio in West Germany that HIV was beginning to turn up in heterosexuals.

And imagine my horror in late summer '87 at seeing a young lady crying on a late night TV commercial because she was dying of AIDS while my wife was in labor with our youngest daughter. The girl said that her boyfriend had been "sleeping around."

Even then I knew that she was just an actress in makeup but the message was loud and clear that my kids would have to grow up in fear that they might catch a nightmarish disease that wasn't started by sexual immorality, but was definitely proliferated by it.

I can't help being old enough to know where in time the evidentiary data should probably begin.

and just what are they "getting a pass" on?

A better question would be "What is the movement not getting a pass on?"
 
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I think the elephant in the room is being ignored or at least overlooked.

The gender manipulation in society is merely symptomatic, secondary to a much larger problem—the minimization of God's law.

When our boys got home from France in '18, they'd had a crash course in perverse delight from the locals still reeling from the excesses of the Revolution. This resulted in the Roaring Twenties, which brought about the speculative financial practices that have helped bring about a buy-now-pay-later attitude toward everything, not the least of which is sensual appetite. "If it feels good, do it."

The love songs of the second world war seemed tame enough. They encouraged women to keep the home fires burning, but the distance between warriors and their gals began to encourage lyrics that tended to make romantic love a virtual idolatrous art form. After all, we had the dreaded Hun and its successor, the Bolsheviks to vanquish.

This trend continued somewhat under the radar during the '50s and '60s, while we were living it up in Suburbia with our 3000-calorie TV dinners and burgers, fries, and shakes on the town.

Christianity really embraced this attitude in the '70s. I remember a song by Debby Boone, a sweetheart of America, which stormed the Billboard charts in '77. It was a beautiful love song, but it closed with these lyrics: "It can't be wrong when it feels so right." No one as much as raised an eyebrow. Emotional reasoning had become firmly entrenched.

And now, we're all encouraged to cherish our own "truth." These same folk promised that free pornography and prophylactics would usher in a glorious age free of rape and venereal disease. Sure, we've got an HPV vaccine (which the CDC recommends be routinely administered before the onset of puberty) that kills maybe a dozen or so types. Not sure what we'll do yet about the remaining 100 or so that an increasingly large portion of late teens now carry around with them or how they might mutate.

Oh, and we're overfishing the seas so badly that the world has no idea yet that plastics, petroleum and beef cattle are the least of our problems. But we gotta have some mercury with our Omega 3 because it's tastier than nuts or seeds, and we have a constitutional right to the pursuit of immediate sensual gratification, don't we?!! Or was it just basic happiness?

Meanwhile the frontal lobes of our youth are shrinking in function to the ratio of a cat's brain (hyperbole—and, btw, my generation is not too far behind), largely due to the junk we fed them with 89 ingredients on the back label and the discount, 8-bit babysitters we bought them to keep them from being underfoot. Now, they have 128-bit, multi-core ones with software that is so cool (read: violent and sexually-charged) that it often seems unnecessary or at least indefinitely deferrable to get up and go to the bathroom.

These and other indulgences in appetite saw the average longevity of Americans decline for the first time a year or two before the COVID-19 pandemic hit. Our youth are getting sicker earlier than they have since the anti-hygenic 1800s.

And so we're making it so hard for Jesus to save us that if He doesn't return soon the only folks who'll be waiting for Him will be six feet under. How He must weep.

Smile, though, really. Because Jesus saves, folks! He really does save!

I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

For a look at how wonderful His ten commandments are and how He foresaw the global mental health crisis, check this out:


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Yikes, all you gotta do is flick on the TV,
Children are not being taught to consider being transgender.
there is a growing number of kids identifying as the opposite sex or gender neutral, just look at the increasing number of interviews on the subject, you are only 1 year younger then me, maybe it was different in your country, but I know when I was a kid and teenager, kids and teens identifying as the opposite sex was nearly unheard of in Australia, and gender neutral was unheard of, or so it seemed.
And maybe that has to do with the level of acceptance that has grown up in the last generation so those individuals who are don't feel the need to hide who they are.