The 10 Commandments are FOREVER
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BarneyFife
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Ernest T., you got that look in your eye. Now, I want you to put down that brick this instant!
David in NJ
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When we read the Gospel and the Apostles letters the entire Focus is on the LORD Jesus Christ, Grace , Faith and the Holy Spirit.
It is the power of the Holy Spirit in us that desires to walk in God's Holiness.
The mistake that the Jews and all religions do = elevating religion above the Creator.
And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. 3All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.
4But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved! 6And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.a
11Therefore remember that formerly you who are Gentiles in the flesh and called uncircumcised by the so-called circumcision (that done in the body by human hands)— 12remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.
14For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace 16and reconciling both of them to God in one body through the cross, by which He extinguished their hostility.
17He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18For through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.
19Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God’s household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone. 21In Him the whole building is fitted together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in Him you too are being built together into a dwelling place for God in His Spirit.
BarneyFife
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I can't help but observe that while the subject of how Jesus taught the deeper meanings of how the ten commandments should be kept is often cited as affirmation of the decalogue, His elaboration on the finer points of how to keep the 4th one are used only as evidence supporting its nullification.
Just sayin'.
Hope I'm wrong.
But, traditionally, I've found exceptions to this rule to be few and far between.
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Another thing I've noticed is that it is fairly, but less and less prevalently common to hold up the first day of the week as the object of the 4th commandment. And the problem with that is that Sunday-keeping is virtually never held to the same standards as Christ held the commandments regarding murder and adultery, etc.
So, in the end, the correct day of the week upon which the Sabbath falls ends up being of much less consequence than the purpose and function of the day.
When I became an Adventist, the harder sell was on the correct day of the week issue. I had already been taught in the Southern Baptist church of the mid-20th century that the commandments were the irrevocable law of God and that the Sabbath day was distinct.
Turns out the hard sell was easier than I had anticipated. Because, by the time I had begun to revive spiritually in my mid-20s from my adolescent backsliding, the SB church had pretty much given up the 10C ship. They had gotten tired of trying to argue that the Sabbath had been changed to Sunday from Scripture. So, now, even the remaining 9, while not abandoned, are severely downplayed to avoid association.
My daddy believes that Sunday is the Christian Sabbath. But he can't be bothered with keeping it the way his mother taught him to. That's painful for me to say, for more than one reason.
Just sayin'.
Hope I'm wrong.
But, traditionally, I've found exceptions to this rule to be few and far between.
:Another thing I've noticed is that it is fairly, but less and less prevalently common to hold up the first day of the week as the object of the 4th commandment. And the problem with that is that Sunday-keeping is virtually never held to the same standards as Christ held the commandments regarding murder and adultery, etc.
So, in the end, the correct day of the week upon which the Sabbath falls ends up being of much less consequence than the purpose and function of the day.
When I became an Adventist, the harder sell was on the correct day of the week issue. I had already been taught in the Southern Baptist church of the mid-20th century that the commandments were the irrevocable law of God and that the Sabbath day was distinct.
Turns out the hard sell was easier than I had anticipated. Because, by the time I had begun to revive spiritually in my mid-20s from my adolescent backsliding, the SB church had pretty much given up the 10C ship. They had gotten tired of trying to argue that the Sabbath had been changed to Sunday from Scripture. So, now, even the remaining 9, while not abandoned, are severely downplayed to avoid association.
My daddy believes that Sunday is the Christian Sabbath. But he can't be bothered with keeping it the way his mother taught him to. That's painful for me to say, for more than one reason.
BarneyFife
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David in NJ
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Jim B
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The ten commandments are forever. Just open any Bible and there they are. And, even though they were written by and for the OT Jews, they should apply to everyone -- except Christians. Christians are those who are born again and have been given the Holy Spirit to guide them into all truth. We true Christians are dead to the law and live to God in Christ Jesus, whose sacrifice fulfilled all the OT law's requirements.
Romans 7:4, "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God."
Romans 7:4, "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God."
Psa_78:7 That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:
Ecc_12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Dan_9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn_3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
J.
David in NJ
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1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1Jn_3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
John. 14. [15] If ye love me, keep my commandments. [21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Yes?
J.
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David in NJ
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AGREE
Ok, now we are super close to the Center of the Bullseye = the MAIN purpose
Do you see the Center in this passage?
ButterflyJones
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Key word as I see it is, redeemed.
Being redeemed from the curse of the law.
God's law is God's, not Moses.
God's law identified sin. And prescribed punishment. Death. Either death in the flesh if the law called for it. Or death for the sins after life.
Redemption from the curse of the law is being redeemed from the status of condemned sinners under the law.
Now, with God's laws inscribed on our hearts we don't have to think about nor fear the written, textual, law.
We know what's right and are led to that.
We don't steal, lie, murder, disrespect our parents, worship other God's, etc....
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Yes?
J.
BarneyFife
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Honestly, David, I don't think it was ever God's intention for there to be a tension between an "every word that proceeds..." and an "of the things which we have spoken this is the sum" view of Scripture. Neither is complete without the other. And surely we weren't given a book with 750,000 English words in it to keep us amused until we either get to the point or memorize the whole thing.
David in NJ
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Verse 1 = "if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One."
The CENTER of the Father's Heart is = Jesus Christ, the Righteous One
Everything that is stated and True in 1 John 2:3-4 BEGINS with the CENTER(2:1) and Ends with the CENTER(2:5-6)
v.5 "But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him."
v.6 "By this we know that we are in Him: 6Whoever claims to abide in Him must walk as Jesus walked."
the ALPHA = Beginning/Genesis/WORD/JESUS
and
the OMEGA = End/Revelation/WORD/JESUS
the Book of Hebrews begins with the ALPHA = JESUS
the CENTER of the Book of Hebrews is = JESUS Fulfills the Law & Prophets, JESUS predates the Law & the Prophets
the Book of Hebrews concludes with the OMEGA = JESUS
"Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." - Hebrews 12:1-2
the Entire BOOK Begins with the WORD = Genesis 1:1-3
the CENTER of the Book is the WORD that was God = John chapter 1 = Gospel
the Entire BOOK Ends with the WORD that is God = Revelation = 19:11-16 , 20:4-6 , chapter 21 , chapter 22
"And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.
They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads.
There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light.
And they shall reign forever and ever."
Peace and Blessings to ALL who look to Eternal Life in Jesus Christ our LORD
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David in NJ
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Of course!!!Honestly, David, I don't think it was ever God's intention for there to be a tension between an "every word that proceeds..." and an "of the things which we have spoken this is the sum" view of Scripture. Neither is complete without the other. And surely we weren't given a book with 750,000 English words in it to keep us amused until we either get to the point or memorize the whole thing.
One of my favorite and most important scripture verses = Mark 4:4
"Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God".
If Christians would grasp this and make it their goal to believe every word from the Mouth of God = divisions would fade away.....
David in NJ
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Not in God's school but definitely in religion = Proverbs 30:5-6 , Jeremiah 5:30-31
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