Reasons Jews Reject Jesus

[RLT63]

Do you believe Jesus raised the temple back up as he said he would?

He was talking about his body

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

So you are hanging your belief by a hair's thread, one of several I imagine, on vague and non-contextual meanings; for who and what is the nature of Christ. You believe Christ is a a deity because of the rough Greek to English translated expression used in Php 2:7, the 'likeness of men.' Quite a desperate move, as also by many as yourself.

And then to mean he was NOT REALLY a man, or was only something LIKE a form of man. I thought Paul already said he was in the form of God although not being GOd himself as most scholars of diverse opinions would agree on. So do you think then Paul is speaking in riddles here and is saying that Jesus is both in a form of God and also in the form of an ordinary man?!!

You are walking on dangerous mental ground here. I would not stake my life on it if I were you.

Notice first in Philippians 2:7 that Christ was MADE, or begotten, into a (likeness) human being, He was NOT unmade or 'poof ' he, being a mysterious invisible god being just jumped into a human egg, zygote, baby at the right time. It does not mean he was made to, or FORCED to be in the likeness of a man either, as for a god into a man, or god-man as the Greek culture and religion would totally agree with you on.

He was made or created 'from scratch' as any man and resembled any common man. Jesus throughout his time on earth called himself a man many, many times. He never said I'm God or really a god who made himself a common human being, now did he?

And Christ had to be just like a common ordinary man because only a real man could become truly a lowly human servant. A god could never become a servant to anyone or thing. Do you get this point as well?


Great weekend.......APAK

On earth back in the day Jesus was The Saviour.
In Heaven Jesus became The Christ Jesus. Our Lord and Saviour of our Souls.

Christ Jesus is God as far as we are concerned, because no one comes to the Father but only through his only begotten Son ?
One can not bypass Christ Jesus at all ! It stops with Him because he only does the will of the Father !
One can not see the Father ? but through Christ Jesus because he is our Lord ? and not to mention the Holy Spirit as well, so all 3 are united as one in fact. tho 3 different identity's that are of one the same.

If one would try to pull them apart say ? for they only spring back into one, like a magnet say ? They can not be separated for they are the nature of the Vehicle, The instrument !
It's the Instrument that God the Father gave us, so as to come unto him.

If one were to take out the Holy Spirit from the 3 then you have nothing ?
If one were to take out the Saviour, one does not have a Lord ! so then you have nothing ? such then has no traction !
And if you do not have them two The Lord your Saviour and the Holy Spirit, then one has not the Father !

 

[Matthias]

I always thought it represented separation from God because of our sin, and when Jesus paid the price it restored our relationship with God and we no longer had to depend on religious ceremonies to be forgiven of our sins. Jesus is the mediator between God and men and he is our high priest. We don’t need a man to go in and sprinkle blood on the mercy seat anymore

I agree that that’s an aspect of the curtain being ripped - it is for mankind. It is symbolic of the arrival of the new covenant.

 

[APAK]

Dang!
I can’t believe how much I’ve learned from this one small post!

Thanks!

And the main difference between these stubborn Jews and stubborn Trini-brethren of yesterday and today,...

The Jews as I said before, knew what and who exactly was the Son of God and did not want to believe it applied to this man Jesus; that God spoken for this man, was within this man and worked miracles beyond the works of their forefathers and prophets combined.

And the latter do not know what truly is meant by the Son of God for this man called Jesus, and therefore cannot know to even believe in him as the true Son of God, for his Father who is the one true God. They are blind to this scriptural truth. Therefore, they traded this truth for a substitute Son of God and believe this man Jesus is also God, the Son. Kind of ironic don't you think?

If I had to pick which group knew scripture and its application to their lives, hands-down it would be the Pharisees, the Jews. They were just full of deep traditional pride and lacked the faith to believe in this 'nobody' of a man....

 

[Waiting on him]

I agree that that’s an aspect of the curtain being ripped - it is for mankind. It is symbolic of the arrival of the new covenant.

I’ll post it again.

Hebrews 10:19-20 KJVS
[19] Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, [20] By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
The veil is his flesh. God was never in that dark little room behind that thick curtain.


Acts 7:47-49 KJVS
[47] But Solomon built him an house. [48] Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, [49] Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

Anyone care to take a guess as to what heaven And the earth are?

 

[Waiting on him]

And the main difference between these stubborn Jews and stubborn Trini-brethren of yesterday and today,...

The Jews as I said before, knew what and who exactly was the Son of God and did not want to believe it applied to this man Jesus; that God spoken for this man, was within this man and worked miracles beyond the works of their forefathers and prophets combined.

And the latter do not know what truly is meant by the Son of God for this man called Jesus, and therefore cannot know to even believe in him as the true Son of God, for his Father who is the one true God. They are blind to this scriptural truth. Therefore, they traded this truth for a substitute Son of God and believe this man Jesus is also God, the Son. Kind of ironic don't you think?

If I had to pick which group knew scripture and its application to their lives, hands-down it would be the Pharisees, the Jews. They were just full of deep traditional pride and lacked the faith to believe in this 'nobody' of a man....

They hadn’t been Romanized.

 

[RLT63]

And the main difference between these stubborn Jews and stubborn Trini-brethren of yesterday and today,...

The Jews as I said before, knew what and who exactly was the Son of God and did not want to believe it applied to this man Jesus; that God spoken for this man, was within this man and worked miracles beyond the works of their forefathers and prophets combined.

And the latter do not know what truly is meant by the Son of God for this man called Jesus, and therefore cannot know to even believe in him as the true Son of God, for his Father who is the one true God. They are blind to this scriptural truth. Therefore, they traded this truth for a substitute Son of God and believe this man Jesus is also God, the Son. Kind of ironic don't you think?

If I had to pick which group knew scripture and its application to their lives, hands-down it would be the Pharisees, the Jews. They were just full of deep traditional pride and lacked the faith to believe in this 'nobody' of a man....

All that knowledge did them a lot of good didn’t it? Not

 

[APAK]

They hadn’t been Romanized.

Excellent key point you made here WoH. It would be a great last statement on this subject....

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I always laugh when people make such statements appealing to the righteous authority of the Jews. Pick one:

1. The Jews were right --> Jesus is not equal to God making the meaning of Jesus claim sinful and rightfully crucified.
2. The Jews were wrong --> Jesus was not claiming equality with God and Jesus was unjustly crucified.

Worse than your take on these rather ambiguous statements that don't actually support your equality claim, is your denial of other verses that directly speak to the inequality of Jesus and God, e.g., God knows more than Jesus, God is greater than Jesus, Jesus submits to the will of God and Jesus repeatedly talks about his God. Does it make sense to you that God has a God?

No doubt you will appeal to duality, finding the confines of logic unsettling.

Jesus relinquished His glory temporarily while He emptied Himself into a human vessel. He came as a humble servant to be the sacrificial lamb, obedient and submissive to the Father as an example for us to follow. Then when He accomplished His task, His glory was returned to Him. The Father said that Jesus was greater than the angels and addressed Him as God in Hebrews 1:8.
Would you argue with your Father? No, likely you will misinterpret the scripture.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

@Matthias - looks like we’re down to Final Jeopardy Alex

As long as souls aren't in jeopardy. Didn't even get into the Holy Spirit ... blaspheming Him is the final jeopardy answer.

 

[RLT63]

As long as souls aren't in jeopardy. Didn't even get into the Holy Spirit ... blaspheming Him is the final jeopardy answer.

There’s no coming back from blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I wouldn’t say it’s the answer to anything but a way to lose everything.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

It’s not readily apparent to me that you understand that Jesus is God in my theology.

You refer to the Son of God, the Word as "it", using a translation you called superb.
And then you made this statement: "Christ Jesus is a begotten / created being; begotten / created by His God and my God, by his Father and my Father.
A created being cannot be God, who is the Creator. You aren't quite sure who Jesus is, is what I understand.

 

[Matthias]

You refer to the Son of God, the Word as "it", using a translation you called superb.

No, I don’t.

And then you made this statement: "Christ Jesus is a begotten / created being; begotten / created by His God and my God, by his Father and my Father.

Yes.

A created being cannot be God, who is the Creator.

Agreed.

You aren't quite sure who Jesus is, is what I understand.

Then your understanding is deficient. I’m positive about who Jesus is.

 

[Matthias]

The Protestant Reformers produced and published the Geneva Bible. They did not produce a Bible which refers to the son of God as “it”!

Anyone who would tell us otherwise is terribly misinformed.

What is the Geneva Bible? | GotQuestions.org

What is the Geneva Bible? Is the Geneva Bible a good and accurate translation of the Bible?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[Matthias]

“I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth.”

(The Apostles’ Creed)

https://www.aflc.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Creeds.pdf

That’s what I believe concerning who the creator is.

 

[Wrangler]

The Father said that Jesus was greater than the angels and addressed Him as God in Hebrews 1:8.
Would you argue with your Father?

No, I would not argue with God but your blatantly incorrect take on Hebrews 1:8, especially given v 5 where God called Jesus his son and referenced the day he created his son.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

No, I don’t.



Yes.



Agreed.



Then your understanding is deficient. I’m positive about who Jesus is.

You presented your idea of a superb translation, the Geneva Bible. Here is your understanding of Jesus, Who is described as the WORD.
"All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. In it was life, and that life was the light of men. And that light shineth in the darkenesse, and the darkenesse comprehended it not."
So in essence Jesus, Who is God is referred to as "it".
Then I brought to Col. 1:16-17 _ in your Geneva Bible _ and you declined to accept that Jesus is described here perfectly as the CREATOR. So you pick and choose scriptures and translations that work for you and discard what doesn't. Liberals do this all the time. You can't even take a stand on your claim.
Your view of Jesus is a dishonor, degrading Him of being lesser than Who is really is.
But I think He is merciful in that He might forgive you for that since Jesus,
"who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death: death on a cross." Phil. 2:6-8
People back then did not grasp this concept, He didn't expect them to and obviously you don't!

>Just be careful that you do not blaspheme the Holy Spirit. That won't be forgiven. I'm not sure if whatever superb version of the Bible you choose refers to Him as "it", would he considered blasphemy?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

No, I would not argue with God but your blatantly incorrect take on Hebrews 1:8, especially given v 5 where God called Jesus his son and referenced the day he created his son.

So what is your take on Hebrews 1:8? Will you also offer a "superb translation" that words it differently?

 

[Wrangler]

So what is your take on Hebrews 1:8? Will you also offer a "superb translation" that words it differently?

1st of all, I don't take V8 out of context. By the time Hebrews was written, Jesus was well established in other Apostolic writing as the son of God, the Messiah, the Christ, anointed by God to be the sacrifice of the world. This is re-iterated in Hebrews 1:1-2 where God spoke to us through his son. This opening is not to be construed as one is the other.

2nd, What this son is like is told in v3, the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature. Again, the son has the glory OF - not is, he has the imprint O - not is.

3rd, Not sure why you just ignore V5, where God called Jesus his son and explicitly referenced the day he created his son. Powerful stuff!

4th, So, by the time we get to v8, Jesus is 'of God' - servant, lamb, son, prophet, anointed, throne, high priest, sent, told who to say and how to say it, word, etc. It is God's throne, rule at God's will, no matter who sits on it. This is repeated in Revelation, where Jesus sits on God's throne. It doesn't make Daffy Duck God if he sits in the President's chair.

 

[NayborBear]

When talking about flesh and Spirit? The "flesh" is darkness which entered into the world via the "garden of Eden incident." The Spirit (of GOD) was ALREADY in Adam n Eve! With the passage of time FROM that time forward? (referred to as the GREAT APOSTASY by Paul, who seemingly is/was the ONLY one who COULD see it as it is? And seemingly still is? Meaning, he/Paul had this shown to him BY HE who knows the end from the beginning).

The obedience of Christ TO the Spirit of GOD that was WITHIN the flesh and blood and "born of water" through Mary, even unto death. Even unto death on the cross! Fulfilling the words of all the humble servants of God, whom God KNEW would "drift away" FROM "the LAW" OF GOD via a growing of unbelief BECAUSE "that which is material/physical is far easier in a continuing perpetuation of unbelief because God's Spirit doesn't STRIVE very hard with "man's" spirit! Why?

Because IT'S INVISIBLE!

But to us believers in the Spirit of God? KNOW it's THERE! WITHIN US! And QUICKENS (makes ALIVE) that "breath of life" that "sleeps" within believers. Yea! Even in the spirit of every Swinging Richard and Naughty Nancy that draws breath! And? AND? It WILL grow! Or not! Depending on spiritual sacrifices of men and women MADE by these flesh bodies MADE ACCEPTABLE TO GOD by Jesus Christ of Nazareth!

For it is 1 thing to NEVER go unto the Father remaining IN Jesus Christ of Nazareth in thinking/believing and perpetuating "a" deception/delusion that "love" will cover a multitude of sin and yet believing that one will become "joint heirs" with Christ when the ONE who sits of His Throne sends Christ back for that 1,000 year reign! The answer is? Yes! You'll be saved TO AND THROUGH and be taught DURING this time (one may even consider this 1,000 year reign as an everlasting) when satan is locked up. And then satan'll be loosed again to play his dirty little games for a shorter "everlasting" So He who sits on His Throne can "proof/test" how well those teachings which SHALL BE TAUGHT during those 1,000 years TOOK ROOT!

And? It is quite another in going unto the Father!

Which is why Jesus stated: "Many are called.....FEW are chosen!"
Perhaps? during the 1,000 year reign? Many many MORE shall be chosen!

BLESSED and Holy is He who sits on His Throne in Heaven and Knows the end from the beginning!
As the baton (if you will) is passed from the gentiles whose fullness is about come to pass, back unto the Jews (again) for them to grafted back again unto the True Vine. In theirs will be easier then the gentiles were, as they ARE God's Chosen people!
Amen and AMEN!