The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

[face2face]

That's right. No doubt the Israelites knew that they could be destroyed in the presence of God and that they deserved it (as do all humans). What is also significant in this matter is that Moses went up into Mt Sinai seven times, and he remained with God not once but twice for 40 days and 40 nights. And each time he received the two tablets of stone. He had smashed the first set after witnessing the idolatry of Israel, but the second set was placed in the ark of the covenant (Exod 25:16).

Most likely provided by the hand of the angel (Exo 32:16); the second tablets were hewn by Moses himself (see ch 34:1). Hmmm not sure of the significance of Moses being asked to cut the rock other than the fact he broke the first.

Edit - Moses was rejected upon the first, and accepted for the second, in the same way Christ was rejected first, and will be accepted upon his second coming. But that doesnt explain why Moses had to cut the rock.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

wouldn't Jesus, the Son of God, who IS God, have had more grace than anybody ever?

of course He would've, and does.

therefore, why wouldn't He have shown us how to handle the 10 Commandments with grace by not obeying them and just .... walking by the Spirit ... or not being under law .... or any of the other things people come up with?

Did you know that Grace, which Jesus was full of, John 1:14 is POWER?

He obeyed each and every one of the 10 as an example to us of how to live righteously.

why in the world would He then expect us to throw out EVERYTHING He taught us and cast the Law aside?

Jesus lived under the Old Covenant, and what He taught His disciples was the New Covenant, except to the Pharisees. To them He clarified the Old Covenant laws and how they were breaking them.

The eternal laws of God are about LOVE. Love God with your whole spirit, soul and body, AND Love your neighbor as yourself.

The Ten Commandments did not make anyone measure up to those eternal laws. You couldn't murder, but you could hate. This was because the Jews had to keep the Ten Commandments with a sin nature that was in opposition to those laws. But they were mostly surface laws that they could keep with just will power.

Jesus taught the New Covenant laws that went deeper matching the eternal laws in the Sermon on the Mount. Instead of having to keep these deeper laws with the same sin nature as those in the Old Covenant, Jesus died to defeat the works of the devil. All those who came to believe in Jesus and also repented of their sin, Jesus, as our High Priest, circumcised their nature without hands, cutting off Satan's influence and the desire to commit willful lawless sin, making us sinless, as He is sinless, He also wrote the deeper eternal laws of God on our heart, our conscience making us naturally righteous.

The Law was for sinners with a sin nature. Seeing as those born of God do not have sin in their nature, but have the Spirit of Christ in them, they are not under the Law. They naturally keep the spirit of the law, not the letter.

and if He HAD expected that, then why did His closest disciples obey the Sabbath Commandment the very night of His crucifixion - after so many claim the Law had been done away with?

The New Covenant, the ministry of the Spirit, did not come into effect until the Day of Pentecost when Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to earth. Therefore the disciples you speak of were still obeying the Old Covenant.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Most likely provided by the hand of the angel (Exo 32:16); the second tablets were hewn by Moses himself (see ch 34:1). Hmmm not sure of the significance of Moses being asked to cut the rock other than the fact he broke the first.

Edit - Moses was rejected upon the first, and accepted for the second, in the same way Christ was rejected first, and will be accepted upon his second coming. But that doesnt explain why Moses had to cut the rock.

What I'd like to know is why Exodus 34 has different commandments.

 

[face2face]

What I'd like to know is why Exodus 34 has different commandments.

Have you got more specifics - interesting.

Verses 27-28 is the record:

27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” 28 Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.

F2F

 

[Gottservant]

@GEN2REV has got the Holy Spirit's faith!

 

[Brakelite]

If you depend on written rules to guide you instead of the Holy Spirit, then you are under the Old Covenant and have missed the basis of Christianity.

Galatians 5:4, "You who want to be reckoned as righteous by the law have cut yourselves off from Christ; you have fallen away from grace." => READ THAT AGAIN <=

Galatians 5:18, "But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not subject to the law."

Why don't you take some time off and read the epistle to the Galatians?

The basis of Christianity is that we are freed from the law. It is clearly stated in Romans 7:6, "But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code."

You can go on and on and on about the OT law, the ten commandments, etc. but you will never be right. Tragically, if you depend on the written code you are denying Christ!

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None of your quotes say we are no longer obliged to obey God's commandments. Not being under the law means we are no longer condemned as being transgressors of the law. If I am pulled over by a highway patrol-man because I was speeding, and admit that yes, I was indeed doing 75mph in a 50mph zone, then I am under the law. I am obliged to take responsibility for my transgressing, and pay the penalty. But if the cop chooses to let me off with a warning, I am no longer under the law, yet I am certainly even more so, obliged to obey that law being under grace.
It is the same with God's commandments.
We are no longer accounted as sinners in the sight of God. KJV 1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
KJV Romans 3:20
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

 

[Behold]

so God goofed when He wrote them in Stone?

Are we in the Old Testament?

or are we in the New Testament?

If we are in the OT, then chase those Stones.
Absolutely.

 

[Behold]

Watch it, Behold. None of your blatant lies! I don't teach that unbelievers are sanctified AT ALL! They can't be because they are not justified. This is not the first time you've lied about me. How long has this habit of lying been pathological???

and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Good try, won't fly.

I didnt state that you are teaching that unbelievers are sanctified.
Read it again.
Slowly.

 

[Jim B]

You read his remarks after your post that tried to reach him one last time. He cited Matthew 5:37 and underlined the reference to the evil one.

Sometimes you have to let go and realize you were talking to someone who has no respect for God's word or Christians.

When they use a single scripture out of context as a pejorative weapon, you're dealing with an unbeliever. You will never get through to that natural carnal man, mind.

As God tells you, only his Holy Spirit will change that natural man's mind.
The natural mind, man, worships self and intellect. They think the Bible is a book and they can read it and understand what is written.

As Jesus advised his Disciples should they happen on a town that does not receive the Gospel. Kick the dust from your feet and move on.

God did not move in the minds of those in that town. They will therefore consider the things of God, the Gospel, foolishness.
And they shall prove they are of that mind when they use the Gospel as a weapon against Christians.

If you're referring to me...

I have complete respect for God's word and most Christians. However, when someone such as "menorah" tries to put people back under the OT law, I am compelled to set him straight. I probably will never get through to that natural carnal man's mind so I agree that only the Holy Spirit will change that confused man's mind.

"menorah" doesn't understand that Christians are not under the law. I have shown him several times why that is so, but he clings to his fallacy. It's very sad.

Here is what Paul wrote in Romans 7:4-6 (with my emphases), "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code."

In three in-context verses, Paul clearly wrote that we are not under the law. These are not single verses from a gospel that was written to Jews (before the Holy Spirit was given). QED.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Good try, won't fly.

I didnt state that you are teaching that unbelievers are sanctified.
Read it again.
Slowly.

Wow! Another lie. You said: "Are unbelievers sanctified by their life process as you teach is "sanctification"?

I don't even teach that sanctification is a "process" for a believer, let alone an unbeliever! The born again go through the process of becoming like Christ called "glorification."

@Ritajanice, I hope you like having a liar for a teacher. Good luck with that!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Both unbelievers and believers go through a "Life" process.

Are unbelievers sanctified by their life process as you teach is "sanctification"?

How is them dealing with the hardships of life, not their sanctification, ... yet, if you have the same hard life, its your sanctification, according to your theology?

"well behold, the difference is,... we change into Jesus, by our hard life's processing power".

Really?

Actually what happens, is that Christians may get BITTER, blame God and give up, many times.... and quit., and yet, they are born again and will go to heaven.
While some unbelievers, get stronger, and last longer and come out of the life process, very noble and refined.
More Christlike, yet still Hell bound.

@2081. @Ritajanice, have I ever taught this garbage? NO! You've chosen a pathological liar who believes his own lies.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

@2081. @Ritajanice, have I ever taught this garbage? NO! You've chosen a pathological liar who believes his own lies.

@Ritajanice, it is Behold's posts of the most outrageous doctrines of demons that you "like." You've chosen lies. So don't wow me. It is too obvious.

 

[M3n0r4h]

Are we in the Old Testament?

or are we in the New Testament?

If we are in the OT, then chase those Stones.
Absolutely.

that's pretty silly.

was Jesus "IN" the OT?

were His disciples "IN" the OT?

don't the commonly taught NT "RULES" supposedly begin at the moment of Christ's death?

then why did His closest followers obey the OT Laws that night, and for 300 years after?

looks like you got some 'splainin' to do.

who's "IN" the OT, who's "IN" the NT?

how do you know?

when does one start and the other begin?

silly.

 

[Behold]

Wow! Another lie. You said: "Are unbelievers sanctified by their life process as you teach is "sanctification"?

Read it again..

"are unbelievers sanctified by their life process as you teach is "sanctification".


That is not "as you teach is THEIR" sanctification.

Im not saying that....


So, i was showing you that if you teach that BEHAVIOR/LIFESTYLE, is "progressive sanctification," , vs, Jesus is our Sanctification..

Then you are leaving out being "in Christ" which IS Sanctification... 1 Corinthians 1:30....."Jesus is made unto us sanctification"..

See that?
You left HIM OUT of your doing is becoming sanctification self righteous theology.

So, as you left CHRIST out of SANCTIFICATION< i said, so in that case working to be sanctified..= is the same for the lost or for the saved.

As its JUST WORKS, in both cases, and does not sanctify you.
That is what i posted...
You just didnt undestand it.

You just have to read carefully, 1CenturyLady..

As i told you before.

 

[Behold]

@Ritajanice, it is Behold's posts of the most outrageous doctrines of demons that you "like." You've chosen lies. So don't wow me. It is too obvious.

As i told you a few times..

A.} LIARS make false accustaions and don't quote me.

Wecome to yourself, 1stCentury Lady.

You dont even believe that Jesus Keeps you saved, unless you maintain all your do's and dont dos.

Remember?
So, you are the last one who needs to be trying to teach anyone, anywhere, 1stCenturyLady.

 

[Behold]

when does one start and the other begin?

The NT starts with the Cross being raised as that began the New Covenant that is the Blood Atonement.

 

[Behold]

I don't even teach that sanctification is a "process" for a believer

You know what your issue is?
You dont have a good memory, and a Liar has to have a good memory.

So, you just LIED to RitaJanice, and said that you don't teach that sanctification is a process.

Yet the post that you are now screaming about, that i wrote, was in response to you posting this about Sancification.

Let me prove you're a liar.

1stCenturyLady said:
"if sanctification is not the name of the life process we go through, what is?

 

[Jim B]

that's pretty silly.

was Jesus "IN" the OT?

were His disciples "IN" the OT?

don't the commonly taught NT "RULES" supposedly begin at the moment of Christ's death?

then why did His closest followers obey the OT Laws that night, and for 300 years after?

looks like you got some 'splainin' to do.

who's "IN" the OT, who's "IN" the NT?

how do you know?

when does one start and the other begin?

silly.

Silly is right.

Jesus died to fulfill all the requirements of the OT laws. To say that Christians must keep the OT laws is to deny Christ.

 

[ButterflyJones]

What I'd like to know is why Exodus 34 has different commandments.

Especially when considering the contradiction to a particular verse in Exodus 34 compared to other books and their respective verses.

Exodus 34:5 Then the Lord came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, the Lord. 6 And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, “The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, 7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.”

Deuteronomy 24:16

Verse Concepts


“Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin.

2 Kings 14:6

Verse Concepts


But the sons of the slayers he did not put to death, according to what is written in the book of the Law of Moses, as the Lord commanded, saying, “The fathers shall not be put to death for the sons, nor the sons be put to death for the fathers; but each shall be put to death for his own sin.”

Ezekiel 18:19

Verse Concepts


“Yet you say, ‘Why should the son not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity?’ When the son has practiced justice and righteousness and has observed all My statutes and done them, he shall surely live.
Ezekiel 18:20

Verse Concepts


The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.


For me Exodus 34:7 gives context to the cry of the Jewish people regarding the crucifixion of Jesus in Matthew 25 as they called for Barabbas to be released and Jesus to be crucified.

25. All the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!”

that's pretty silly.

was Jesus "IN" the OT?

were His disciples "IN" the OT?

don't the commonly taught NT "RULES" supposedly begin at the moment of Christ's death?

then why did His closest followers obey the OT Laws that night, and for 300 years after?

looks like you got some 'splainin' to do.

who's "IN" the OT, who's "IN" the NT?

how do you know?

when does one start and the other begin?

silly.

The Apostles, including Paul, honored the Sabbath. And Jesus commanded, love God with all our heart and mind, and our neighbor as ourself, that is the law upon which all the laws and the prophets hang.

The Decalogue examples that. It all pertains to the love for God, family, and neighbors.
Heaven and Earth haven't yet passed away.;)

 

[M3n0r4h]

The NT starts with the Cross being raised as that began the New Covenant that is the Blood Atonement.

okay .... so that's when Christians were supposed to have cast the 10 Commandments aside then?

as the Bible shows, that's not what happened.

your response?