Denying the Cross: How to do it

[amigo de christo]

Because of how I was birthed, which completely blew my mind.....I have a hard job understanding this, but...there is no still birth in the Bible, nowhere does it say that, ...I can’t even relate to still birth as a born again...doesn’t make an ounce of sense to me...unless we’re talking about babies, then it would.

Its an expression is why . Technically we were all still born , according to the new birth .
The reason this expression was used , is due to the fact that many who believe they are born again
HAVE NOT BEEN born again . For if we are born again , We are born of SPIRIT , and the SPIRIT IS TRUTH
and ONLY GUIDES US INTO TRUTH . Many are following what paul would have called another jesus and another gospel .
THEY ARE STILL Dead . Dead in trepasses , dead in their sins .
They believe in the lie . They either believe in a jesus that honors their sins and the lusts of their own hearts ,
WHICH AGAIN is proof they are not born again and do not follow CHRIST
And also as more and more are now beginning to believe , THEY BELIEVE IN THE END TIME DELUISON
that one dont even have to BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST . And more and more are going down that road .
PROOF they are not born again , PROOF they are NOT HIS , they are falling away under the guise of a lie
that many now call THE LOVE OF GOD and HIS PLAN OF SALVATION . WHICH
TRODS THE DIRE NECESSITY TO BELIEVE ON CHRIST under foot , and says ALAS all religoins , atheists and all
of planet earth , ALL YE NEED DO IS LOVE . What a crock pipe lie that is . A
cause it aint LOVE , LOVE POINTS TO CHRIST ALONE and B , IT TRODS CHRIST RIGHT UNDER FOOT

 

[Ritajanice]

Once again you messed it up .
Dead FAITH means DEAD . This is exactly what i am talking about .
Folks sat under men who taught them wrong stuff . STUFF that wont HELP the church but rather will harm it .
This is exactly my problem with the teachings of men .
TIME WE GO back into bibles for ourselves .

I don’t believe a Born again can come to any harm, they are under the eyes of God....I’m not saying they won’t go through trials and suffering etc,etc, ...the Holy Spirit is with them through all of that, therefore they will persevere ,as the Lord keeps us persevering....and we will come through everything...that is my belief.

Edit to add...he equips us for what we need, to tread this extremely hard narrow road, I have no doubt whatsoever in that.....it’s the Holy Spirit that strengthens our faith In him...we don’t.imo.

Luke 17:5 in Other Translations​

KJV
5 And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.
ESV
5 The apostles said to the Lord, "Increase our faith!"
NLT
5 The apostles said to the Lord, “Show us how to increase our faith.”

◄ John 6:39 ►

Context Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. New Living Translation And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day. English Standard Version And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. Berean Standard Bible And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day. Berean Literal Bible Now this is the will of the One having sent Me, that all that He has given Me, I should lose none of it, but will raise it up in the last day. King James Bible And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

 

[Ritajanice]

Its an expression is why . Technically we were all still born , according to the new birth .
The reason this expression was used , is due to the fact that many who believe they are born again
HAVE NOT BEEN born again . For if we are born again , We are born of SPIRIT , and the SPIRIT IS TRUTH
and ONLY GUIDES US INTO TRUTH . Many are following what paul would have called another jesus and another gospel .
THEY ARE STILL Dead . Dead in trepasses , dead in their sins .
They believe in the lie . They either believe in a jesus that honors their sins and the lusts of their own hearts ,
WHICH AGAIN is proof they are not born again and do not follow CHRIST
And also as more and more are now beginning to believe , THEY BELIEVE IN THE END TIME DELUISON
that one dont even have to BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST . And more and more are going down that road .
PROOF they are not born again , PROOF they are NOT HIS , they are falling away under the guise of a lie
that many now call THE LOVE OF GOD and HIS PLAN OF SALVATION . WHICH
TRODS THE DIRE NECESSITY TO BELIEVE ON CHRIST under foot , and says ALAS all religoins , atheists and all
of planet earth , ALL YE NEED DO IS LOVE . What a crock pipe lie that is . A
cause it aint LOVE , LOVE POINTS TO CHRIST ALONE and B , IT TRODS CHRIST RIGHT UNDER FOOT

Sorry Brother, I don’t believe you can follow another Jesus if you have been birthed in the Spirit, impossible...that’s my opinion and belief.....we are his sheep and we know / hear his living word....

 

[Marvelloustime]

Raise a child with no reminders about the consequences of its behavoirs , You gonna have raised a rebellious child .
GOD KNOWS how to keep us safe and in line .
WE must be grave at times . WE must be sharp at times . WE must warn and use every warning as a reminder .
JESUS didnt speak for no reason . THERE WAS A REASON HE TOLD those who beleived on him
they must continue in HIM . THERE was a reason why HE said if a man continues not in me HE WILL BE CAST OUT .
THERE IS A REASON why the apostels told the church the same things . WE ARE CHILDREN
AND WE NEED REMINDERS FROM GOD TO HELP KEEP US FROM our own errors .
DO you realize that . GOD WARNED and GAVE WARNINGS . FOR A REASON .
JESUS gave warnings FOR A REASON . THe apostels gave warnings FOR A REASON .
Parents even give warnings to children FOR A REASON .
ITS FOR OUR OWN GOOD . But if we try and omit the warnings
IF we try and make sugar coat the warnings . WE WONT BE HELPING THEM AT ALL .
THERE IS A GOOD reason why PAUL , under the SPIRIT wrote , WE MUST BEHOLD BOTH THE GOODNESS and SEVERITY OF GOD .
WE NEED THOSE REMINDERS . What we dont need
is folks trying to either omit the reminders , the warnings and making them seem to be something THEY ARE NOT .
WE NEED THEM . GODS WORDS are for our GOOD . FOR our welfare .
WE NEED THE WARNINGS as much as we need the reminders of HIS goodness and promises .
WE all still have CONTRARY FLESH . and until we DIE or the LORD DO COME
WE WILL NEED HIM , HIS SPIRIT , ALL HIS REMINDERS , ALL REMINDERS THE CHURCH GAVE US .
ITS ALL FOR OUR GOOD . and we better learn that and learn it real fast .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Yes sometimes christains do struggle . But dead faith is dead . And we must warn the same way they did .
Well , if one believes not JESUS is who saved them then they aint saved at all .
IF one thinks or believes they are somehow earning their righteousness , THEY DUPED .
BUT dead faith is NO FAITH . James was right . IF we lip His name and claim we beleive , and yet
we walk contrary to him ,our faith is dead as a door nail .
Look at what paul has to say about FAITH . If one DOES NOT , DOES NOT
HE has DENIED THE FAITH . why do i say does not . cause JESUS told us to give to those who lack
IF one provides not , A DOING ACTION , HE has DENIED the FAITH .
DENIED THE FAITH . and is worse than an infidel .
Now as far as believing that we save ourselves , or that as some teach , we cannot truly KNOW we are saved .
THAT IS FALSE and A LIE .
Example . I ask folks WHAT makes you think if you died tonight you would go to heaven .
Most repsonses are , WELL , i gave to the poor , I went to church , i helped those in need . OOPS
DO YOU SEE the PROBLEM IN THAT MINDSET . SEE my response would have been THIS and this alone .
IF one asked me , HEY amigo if you died tonight , WHY Do you think you would be in heaven .
AND my response would be , WELL IT SURE AINT CAUSE I EARNED OR DERSEVED IT .
IT IS SIMPLY BECAUSE OF JESUS CHRIST AND WHAT HE DID . PEROID .
AND DO I MEAN PEROID .
the truth IS , were it not for GOD i would have no righteousness , no true goodness even in me .
HE ALONE is my righteousness , HE ALONE even gives me the desires that please HIM .
HE ALONE and HE ALONE is my only hope and the ONLY ONE WHO KEEPS ME and CAN KEEP ME SAFE . PEROID .
BUt i am telling you , HIS WARNINGS are for MY GOOD . EVERY REMINDER i read in that BIBLE IS FOR MY GOOD .
THE FLESH IS CONTRARY . I , I NEED ALL THOSE REMINDERS and I NEED HIS SPIRIT ALWAYS TO BE MY GUIDE .
EVERY WORD of GOD IS GOOD FOR US . EVERY WARNING CHRIST and the apostels gave IS GOOD FOR ME .
WE NEED THEM ALL . IT WAS ALL INSPIRED BY GOD , WHO KNOWS HOW TO KEEP US SAFE .
THUS I admit and fully admit , I NEED THE LORD . HE ALONE , HIS EVERY REMINDER , HIS SPIRIT .
TIME for the church to learn THAT .

 

[Marvelloustime]

DEAD FAITH IS NO SALVATION . This is exactly what i am talking about my friend .
You are teaching things wrong in order to fit an idea you THINK is right .
Peoples who have dead faith , have NO faith , have DECIEVED THEMSELVES . are in dire and deadly grave danger .
THIS is exactly the stuff i am talking about . These other teachings you bring are NEVER GONNA HELP the CHURCH at all .
TRUTH is its gonna harm the church . NOW james had it right , paul had it right , JESUS had it right
and its time we learn the bible for ourselves . HEED every warning , HEED and TRUST IN HIM . HE knows how to keep us safe .
THESE teachings you brought about dead faith, AINT HELPING , ITS HARMING .
JAMES wrote that to To REMIND THEM . . and to remind and stir up the church . Dead faith DONT SAVE
cause it aint FAITH My friend .

 

[Ritajanice]

Its an expression is why . Technically we were all still born , according to the new birth .
The reason this expression was used , is due to the fact that many who believe they are born again
HAVE NOT BEEN born again . For if we are born again , We are born of SPIRIT , and the SPIRIT IS TRUTH
and ONLY GUIDES US INTO TRUTH . Many are following what paul would have called another jesus and another gospel .
THEY ARE STILL Dead . Dead in trepasses , dead in their sins .
They believe in the lie . They either believe in a jesus that honors their sins and the lusts of their own hearts ,
WHICH AGAIN is proof they are not born again and do not follow CHRIST
And also as more and more are now beginning to believe , THEY BELIEVE IN THE END TIME DELUISON
that one dont even have to BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST . And more and more are going down that road .
PROOF they are not born again , PROOF they are NOT HIS , they are falling away under the guise of a lie
that many now call THE LOVE OF GOD and HIS PLAN OF SALVATION . WHICH
TRODS THE DIRE NECESSITY TO BELIEVE ON CHRIST under foot , and says ALAS all religoins , atheists and all
of planet earth , ALL YE NEED DO IS LOVE . What a crock pipe lie that is . A
cause it aint LOVE , LOVE POINTS TO CHRIST ALONE and B , IT TRODS CHRIST RIGHT UNDER FOOT

This is your opinion about this so called still birth, I would like you to back it up with scripture please?

This still birth according to you, makes no sense according to me. with respect...that’s why I’m asking for scripture to back it up, thank you.

Technically we were still born?according to the new birth?

 

[Marvelloustime]

Once again you messed it up .
Dead FAITH means DEAD . This is exactly what i am talking about .
Folks sat under men who taught them wrong stuff . STUFF that wont HELP the church but rather will harm it .
This is exactly my problem with the teachings of men .
TIME WE GO back into bibles for ourselves .

 

[Marvelloustime]

They aint born again rita . Its what i keep trying to tell ya . So many leaders IN CHURCHES
are not , have not , been born again . THEY are as bad as i once was , as lost as i once was
and they too could and can cliam to know JESUS . ITS Not looking good rita .
MANY , and when i say many , its a number so high that me and ten men could probably not count
in a week . ITS bad rita . MANY have sold out and worse still many are fast going in their direction .
But , i will continue to exhort daily , to remind all to return to the bible and learn that JESUS
in hopes , well in hopes that at least some might hear and repent . TIME IS RUNNING OUT RITA .
And i promise this . THE DAY OF THE LORD WILL COME UPON THIS ALL INCLUSIVE WE ARE ONE WORLD
in an day and an hour it thinks not . THEY WILL WAIL , but it will be too late . BIBLE .
OPEN BIBLE , READ BIBLE , LOVE BIBLE , STAY IN BIBLE , STAY REFRESHED . cause many aint gonna make it rita .
BROAD IS THE ROAD , EVER WIDE THE PATH that leadeth unto destruction and many there by which enter therein .
NARROW IS THE WAY , and few there be that enter therein . WE IN THE LAST DAYS . DONT mock
that , WE ARE IN THE LAST days and i tell us all THE DAY OF THE LORD WILL STRIKE in an hour that many look not
know not .

 

[Behold]

Because of how I was birthed, which completely blew my mind.....I have a hard job understanding this, but...there is no still birth in the Bible, nowhere does it say that, ...I can’t even relate to still birth as a born again...doesn’t make an ounce of sense to me...unless we’re talking about babies, then it would.

No still birth.

Only a "new Creation" "In Christ".

 

[Behold]

Is dead faith scriptural?

"faith without works is dead".

James 2:26 we read, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also".

"i will show you (other people) my faith, by my works"...

 

[Keturah]

Some folks....ya just gotta be wondering...................

 

[Ritajanice]

No still birth.

Only a "new Creation" "In Christ".

Exactly....Amen.

 

[Ritajanice]

"faith without works is dead".

James 2:26 we read, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also".

"i will show you (other people) my faith, by my works"...

That’s better...Amen!..

We don’t work for our salvation, we work after salvation as works follow,@Behold .....I know you don’t believe this..just looking back how I used to be....

 

[Behold]

Some folks....ya just gotta be wondering...................

1.) "sin shall not have dominion over you, as you are not under the law but under Grace"

2.) "the old many of sin, is crucified with Christ".

3.) "He that is dead, is freed from sin".

4.) The born again are "dead to sin, but alive to God = in Christ".

 

[Ritajanice]

1.) "sin shall not have dominion over you, as you are not under the law but under Grace"

2.) "the old many of sin, is crucified with Christ".

3.) "He that is dead, is freed from sin".

4.) The born again are "dead to sin, but alive to God = in Christ".

In Jesus Name....Amen!

 

[Jim B]

Its an expression is why . Technically we were all still born , according to the new birth .
The reason this expression was used , is due to the fact that many who believe they are born again
HAVE NOT BEEN born again . For if we are born again , We are born of SPIRIT , and the SPIRIT IS TRUTH
and ONLY GUIDES US INTO TRUTH . Many are following what paul would have called another jesus and another gospel .
THEY ARE STILL Dead . Dead in trepasses , dead in their sins .
They believe in the lie . They either believe in a jesus that honors their sins and the lusts of their own hearts ,
WHICH AGAIN is proof they are not born again and do not follow CHRIST
And also as more and more are now beginning to believe , THEY BELIEVE IN THE END TIME DELUISON
that one dont even have to BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST . And more and more are going down that road .
PROOF they are not born again , PROOF they are NOT HIS , they are falling away under the guise of a lie
that many now call THE LOVE OF GOD and HIS PLAN OF SALVATION . WHICH
TRODS THE DIRE NECESSITY TO BELIEVE ON CHRIST under foot , and says ALAS all religoins , atheists and all
of planet earth , ALL YE NEED DO IS LOVE . What a crock pipe lie that is . A
cause it aint LOVE , LOVE POINTS TO CHRIST ALONE and B , IT TRODS CHRIST RIGHT UNDER FOOT

Writing "many who believe they are born again HAVE NOT BEEN born again . For if we are born again , We are born of SPIRIT , and the SPIRIT IS TRUTH and ONLY GUIDES US INTO TRUTH . Many are following what paul would have called another jesus and another gospel . THEY ARE STILL Dead . Dead in trepasses [sic] , dead in their sins" is nothing more than your usual, unScriptural nonsense. Who are you to judge who has been born of the Spirit and who hasn't?

There is zero basis for writing that "They believe in the lie . They either believe in a jesus [sic] that honors their sins and the lusts of their own hearts". As usual you are defying Jesus' command not to judge and condemning people whom you have never met! Matthew 7:1-5, " “Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For the judgment you give will be the judgment you get, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck in your neighbor’s eye but do not notice the log in your own eye? Or how can you say to your neighbor, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbor’s eye."

And then you follow it with "they are falling away under the guise of a lie that many now call THE LOVE OF GOD and HIS PLAN OF SALVATION". THE LOVE OF GOD and HIS PLAN OF SALVATION IS A LIE??? REALLY???

 

[Jim B]

Sorry Brother, I don’t believe you can follow another Jesus if you have been birthed in the Spirit, impossible...that’s my opinion and belief.....we are his sheep and we know / hear his living word....

@amigo posts one hateful rant after another. I feel truly sorry for him! He thinks it is the love of Christ to judge and condemn everyone, including other Christians! IMHO he is simply filled with his own self-righteousness, just like the Pharisee in the parable in Luke 18. It's very, very sad.

 

[Keturah]

@Behold
I fully understand my " born again" experience per the word of God. Some 47 years ago, I repented of my sin, confessed with my mouth that Jesus is, my God, my Lord, my saviour & my master! I am covered by his blood/ righteousness, by his grace through my faith in hearing & doing the word of God!

 

[Behold]

@Behold
I fully understand my " born again" experience per the word of God. Some 47 years ago, I repented of my sin, confessed with my mouth that Jesus is, my God, my Lord, my saviour & my master! I am covered by his blood/ righteousness, by his grace through my faith in hearing & doing the word of God!

What if your Salvation is Jesus on the Cross, and your works are not required, unless they can equal His Blood and Death for your sin.
If they can, then keep trusting that your works are required as a part of God's Blood Atonement.

However....

What if the Salvation of God, is : "The GIFT of Salvation",?