Is there a difference in " FALSE " teaching & error in teaching ?

[ewq1938]

I don't. I accept all of these Scriptures exactly as written.

Much love!

lol....kinda hard to have a biblical discussion when one doesn't accept the scriptures. This invalidates any opinion you have on the scriptures.

 

[David in NJ]

Wrong. His father caused his body to come back to life, then Jesus raised that body up. The same thing happened to Lazarus who was told to come forth, whom stood on his own and walked.

Dear Brother,

i fully agree with all those scriptures you point to that are undeniable and 100% TRUTH

Please take more time on this and go over the words of Christ especially in the Gospel of John.

The GOSPEL is the Manifestation of the FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT

There is a specific reason why Acts speaks of the Father raising Jesus from the dead and it does not nullify what Messiah said of Himself.

Peace Brother

 

[ewq1938]

Dear Brother,

i fully agree with all those scriptures you point to that are undeniable and 100% TRUTH

Please take more time on this and go over the words of Christ especially in the Gospel of John.

The GOSPEL is the Manifestation of the FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT

There is a specific reason why Acts speaks of the Father raising Jesus from the dead and it does not nullify what Messiah said of Himself.

Peace Brother

The issue here is that Jesus never said he would raise himself from the dead while MANY scriptures say his father did it.

 

[David in NJ]

The issue here is that Jesus never said he would raise himself from the dead while MANY scriptures say his father did it.

Nothing but love for you my Brother

i see more because of what is written and why it was written and i would just suggest that the body of Jesus is not the WORD once HE gave up His Spirit.

Now dwell on this:

When Jesus had spoken these things, He lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may glorify You. 2For You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. 3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. 4I have glorified You on earth by accomplishing the work You gave Me to do. 5And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.

Peace my Brother who greatly encourages me

 

[marks]

lol....kinda hard to have a biblical discussion when one doesn't accept the scriptures. This invalidates any opinion you have on the scriptures.

Well there's a conversation killer. I guess we're done then.

Much love!

 

[Robert Gwin]

The will of the FATHER from Heaven is this:

Therefore the Jews(all religions included here) sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath,
but He also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

19Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.
20For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel.
21For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will.
22For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,

(if you fail here you FAIL for all eternity)
23that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father = Godhead together as ONE
He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

Father = Son
Son = Father
Father/Son/Holy Spirit are ONE

Deify him if you wish, but as for me and my household we shall serve Jehovah. Josh 24:15; Mat 4:10.

 

[Robert Gwin]

It's easy enough to know. If you so desire. Since you put so much into the name "Jehovah", you should really understand what it is you are holding on to. Men modified YHWH into what we now say as Jehovah for the purpose of obscuring God's true Name, not revealing, not using, it, but exactly the opposite. Hiding it. Now many people use that modified name as if it were His Name. It's not.

We have One Name given under heaven by which men must be saved, and that name is not the made up "Jehovah", it is Jesus.

The one who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father.

Much love!

I believe we have a different understanding of the word honor sir, I believe those who obey him are the ones honoring him.

 

[Robert Gwin]

You don't seem to accept that Jesus raised His body from the dead. So I don't see how you can say you accept everything He said. It's a simple thing.

Much love!

Since you actually believe the Bible contradicts itself, which verse is right? If Jesus raised himself from the dead, then the verses on what dead means are fictitious. If God resurrected him, then it appears your verse contradicted it, and that could mean all kind of things. If the Bible contradicts itself, and things written in it are false, then why bother? I think until it is proven otherwise, I will continue to believe the Bible was authored by God, and that your understanding is flawed. I can say, I hope you are not correct Marks.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I don't know, maybe, but that's not what we are talking about here, we are talking about how men added vowels from another word into God's Name, and from that forming the word "Jehovah", for the purpose of obscuring God's true Name, so know one would know how to say it.

This is easily verified to anyone who wants to know it.

Google Search

www.google.com

Much love!

Bible says it I believe it sir. One thing is certain, you will never form a tight bond with anyone with whom you do not know their name.

 

[David in NJ]

Deify him if you wish, but as for me and my household we shall serve Jehovah. Josh 24:15; Mat 4:10.

Doomed by religion and unbelief.

Salvation is in YHWH alone and: "This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

The Name above all names LORD Jesus Christ

 

[marks]

Since you actually believe the Bible contradicts itself,

In no wise have I said that. You've left reason, and now are putting words into my mouth to argue against. I'll leave you to it.

Much love!

 

[marks]

One thing is certain, you will never form a tight bond with anyone with whom you do not know their name.

There is One Name given under heaven by which men must be saved. Do you know that Name?

Much love!

 

[rwb]

The bible never credits Jesus as having raised himself. All the verses that address who raised him from the dead credit his Father, not himself. You gotta at some point ask yourself, why deny all those verses?

We run into a problem when we try to separate the activity of God the Father, from God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. For it is the three that make the ONE TRUE GOD! The Covenant of Redemption enacted in heaven between the Triune God Head came to men/women of faith through the power of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. There would be no salvation for anyone without the power of God alone, made known through three, but always ONE God!

John 10:30 (KJV) I and my Father are one.

John 17:11 (KJV) And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

1 John 5:7 (KJV) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

 

[ElieG12]

Jesus never intended to create the religious confusion that exists today. He directly taught a few and then sent them out to teach others.

These others could not invent particular beliefs by reading the Bible for themselves, but had to teach exactly what they had received from the first followers of Christ who had been sent out. In the first century if there were any doubts, they should go to the central group in Jerusalem to decide with the help of the holy spirit which path they should take in all the congregations of the world (Acts 15).

In the modern era, religious independence is a fashion that prevents believers from recognizing who are those who in this age have been chosen by Jesus to teach the things that must be preached to the rest of the world. Today all want to be anointed and interpreters, and no one wants to have someone to tell him what to believe or teach.

We, Jehovah's Witnesses are not like that. We recognize that only a group of anointed ones can direct the worldwide work, and that with the holy spirit in them, they can guide us on how to understand the Scriptures. As long as it is not accepted in the modern religious world that Jesus has a group today to direct his work, those who do not wish to be taught will never fully understand the truth.

Zech. 8:23 “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.”’”

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus never intended to create the religious confusion that exists today. He directly taught a few and then sent them out to teach others.

These others could not invent particular beliefs by reading the Bible for themselves, but had to teach exactly what they had received from the first followers of Christ who had been sent out. In the first century if there were any doubts, they should go to the central group in Jerusalem to decide with the help of the holy spirit which path they should take in all the congregations of the world (Acts 15).

In the modern era, religious independence is a fashion that prevents believers from recognizing who are those who in this age have been chosen by Jesus to teach the things that must be preached to the rest of the world. Today all want to be anointed and interpreters, and no one wants to have someone to tell him what to believe or teach.

We, Jehovah's Witnesses are not like that. We recognize that only a group of anointed ones can direct the worldwide work, and that with the holy spirit in them, they can guide us on how to understand the Scriptures. As long as it is not accepted in the modern religious world that Jesus has a group today to direct his work, those who do not wish to be taught will never fully understand the truth.

Zech. 8:23 “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.”’”

You said: "We, Jehovah's Witnesses are not like that. We recognize that only a group of anointed ones can direct the worldwide work,"

And that is both how and why you are deceived.

The Holy Spirit NEVER taught nor spoke of the doctrines of which you hold to in denying the very words of the LORD.

You have to make a decision of who and what you will believe - it will either be the WORD which was God from the Beginning or other!

 

[ElieG12]

Are you assuming that you are not deceived because you don't have a teacher?

Rom. 10:14 However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15 How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”

 

[David in NJ]

Are you assuming that you are not deceived because you don't have a teacher?

Rom. 10:14 However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15 How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”

JWs do not preach the GOSPEL of the LORD Jesus Christ

 

[ElieG12]

"The gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ" is not judging JWs.

JWs teach with the Scriptures and you are just talking against them because you can't talk with them about the teachings of Jesus.

When religious persons speak against other religious persons, they show that they do not have the spirit of God. The spirit of God prompts believers to speak about Biblical teachings.

First century Christians had anointed guides who taught them the truth. Do you have someone to guide you?

It seems to me that you are confused when you dedicate yourself to speaking against people instead of about biblical subjects. If you have any teachers, they are leading you away from what is important for a true Christian.

 

[David in NJ]

"The gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ" is not judging JWs.

JWs teach with the Scriptures and you are just talking against them because you can't talk with them about the teachings of Jesus.

When religious persons speak against other religious persons, they show that they do not have the spirit of God. The spirit of God prompts believers to speak about Biblical teachings.

First century Christians had anointed guides who taught them the truth. Do you have someone to guide you?

It seems to me that you are confused when you dedicate yourself to speaking against people instead of about biblical subjects. If you have any teachers, they are leading you away from what is important for a true Christian.

Evidence that a person speaks by the Holy Spirit is the preaching of the Gospel of the LORD Jesus Christ.
Authentic Holy Spirit annointing never denies or alters the words of God.

jws always alter and even deny the very words of God = everyday!

 

[ElieG12]

I don't see you "preaching of the Gospel of the LORD Jesus Christ"

Again: you are talking about JWs but not about what they teach with the Bible. You are deceiving yourself about what is important.

Again: in the first century there was a group directing the preaching work and showing others what Christians should teach:

Mat. 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.

In the modern era, religious independence is a fashion that prevents believers from recognizing who are those who in this age have been chosen by Jesus to teach the things that must be preached to the rest of the world. Today all want to be anointed and interpreters, and no one wants to have someone to tell him what to believe or teach.

Do you have anyone to learn from, or you do teach yourself as the rest of the independent "Christians" who are causing the religious confusion among believers?