Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men

[Ronald Nolette]

No, "these are the generations" means the record was going to be given in the following verses. It does not mean a record existed prior to Moses on Mt. Sinai. You think it took longer than 40 days to put all of 5 books on stone tablets? Show me any one in Scripture who had the account of Genesis prior to Moses on Mt. Sinai.

Wrong again! The tolodeths. are the prior passages.

and as far as when writing occurred IN the Pseudepigrapha (other Jewish sacred writings) there is the book of Enoch, teh book of Noah and teh book of the Wars of the Lord which all predate Moses. So you are simply wrong.

 

[Timtofly]

"And the angels who did not keep their proper domain(spiritual realm), but left their own abode(spiritual realm), He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

This verse is not comparing Sodom with the sons of God. All these verses are comparing each event to these people:

"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ."

These were people in the first century compared to the angels. Nothing is even stated about Noah and the Flood.

You are forcing Noah and the Flood into the book of Jude, when it is not mentioned once. How is that sticking to Scripture? That is being hypocritical, claiming others do that when you are doing it yourself.

 

[David in NJ]

This verse is not comparing Sodom with the sons of God. All these verses are comparing each event to these people:

"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ."

These were people in the first century compared to the angels. Nothing is even stated about Noah and the Flood.

You are forcing Noah and the Flood into the book of Jude, when it is not mentioned once. How is that sticking to Scripture? That is being hypocritical, claiming others do that when you are doing it yourself.

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
6And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
7as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the [d]vengeance of eternal fire.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Angels are not stars! And the term angel to describe angels was not used until long after the dispersion at Babel.

And yes god has changed terms to describe things.

YOu err in your paragraph because you are too busy making false assumptions about me and others. Currently in heaven, no one has a glorified physical body. That awaits the rapture and then the first resurrection. In heaven we do not know what kind of body angels have. Though it does not speak of angels, 1 cor. 15 is an excellent primer for bodies. Angels never were physical creatures. they were desinged as spirits as Hebrews says as they are ministering SPIRITS.

All Jesus said is that in heaven angels do not have sex. It does not say that cannot, but that they don't. Once again you have to create an entire non-biblical narrative to expalin Genesis 6, while the sons of God being angels is accepted by Jew and most chrtistians as Job makes it clear they are angels.

No, angels are not stars, but they are "luminaries" figuratively speaking.

 

[Timtofly]

Just as i expected = ZIP

A.) i agree with "it is written" = "the sons of God came into the daughters of men......out came men of renown and nephilim/giants"

B.) i agree with "it is written" = "the angels who left their proper domain....sinned with flesh....are now in chains"

C.) i agree with "it is written" = the angels who sinned in the days of Noah.....and God destroyed that world with the flood"

Three Witnesses ALL agree = me too!

A is correct.

B and C are you adding your opinion into Scripture.

No verse says angels sinned with flesh.

No verse says angels sinned in the days of Noah.

 

[David in NJ]

A is correct.

B and C are you adding your opinion into Scripture.

No verse says angels sinned with flesh.

No verse says angels sinned in the days of Noah.

You just choose not to believe "it is written"

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
6And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
7as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

 

[Grailhunter]

Just curious...what are you guys trying to prove....what is your point?

 

[Timtofly]

Marty let's take a look at Jude which is the verification of the angels of Gen ch6

v5 - But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

v5 is Key to the understanding and is simple, one sentence, truth of what God did and to whom.

a.) saved people (all who obeyed the Passover)

b.) Passover - they came out of Egypt and slavery

c.) afterward - after they left Egypt, crossed the Red Sea and came to wait at the base of the Mountain where the Moses went up to meet the LORD.

d.) afterward - some did not believe and they fell back into sexual immorality and God destroyed them = Exodus ch32

This is the Picture we are to SEE of God's Judgment upon the people who came out of Egypt and corrupted themselves with sexual immorality and thus were destroyed by God's anger.


v6 begins with "And" connects v6 to v5

v6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

Angels had a domain ordered by God which they could not leave, just as the people who came out of Egypt.

What did these angels do when they left their "proper domain"?

Answer = v7

v7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

The angels who left there domain against the will of God "came into the daughters of men" = "strange flesh"
just as Sodom and Gomorrah violated God's Ordination of Male to Female marriage and committed homosexuality, beastiality, rapes, orgies and more.

ALL three Groups committed sexual immorality of such degree that God Judged them as an example for us to FEAR.

1st Group - People who came out of Egypt committed sexual immorality = left the domain of purity in the Lord

2nd Group - Angels who left their proper domain and came into the daughters of men = left their Ordered Domain from the Lord

3rd Group - Sodom and Gomorrah = committed all kinds of sexual perversion = left the domain of purity before God

These 3 Groups are combined into one uniform message of WARNING in one uninterupted passage of Truth.

Lot of speculation here. Jude was talking about people in his day compared to a few other past events. None of them the Flood of Noah's day. The angels did not corrupt human flesh. Adam's dead flesh corrupted the sons of God created on the 6th day. That scenario does not fit Jude's explanation.

 

[David in NJ]

Lot of speculation here. Jude was talking about people in his day compared to a few other past events. None of them the Flood of Noah's day. The angels did not corrupt human flesh. Adam's dead flesh corrupted the sons of God created on the 6th day. That scenario does not fit Jude's explanation.

Where does it say in scripture "Adam's dead flesh corrupted the sons of God" ?

 

[Timtofly]

To be fair, I think Selah and others hear Joel say that when the Angels came to earth to take wives from among human women, this is the moment when they "left their habitation" as Joel says.

Do you have a verse from Joel?

 

[Timtofly]

Peter did cover the point of the angels of Genesis 6 rebelling and being cast into chains and darkness because of what they did...

2 Peter 2:4-5
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
KJV

God placed them in hell, not on earth to procreate with any one on earth.

They were never on the earth. Two different events. Two different outcomes.

Satan and the angels rebelled before Satan tempted Eve in the Garden. They were already locked up in chains of darkness in the pit way before Adam even disobeyed God.

That would be like saying the angels were allowed to procreate with the sons of God. That was before sin entered the world. Genesis 6 happened over 900 years later. No way God would let those angels enjoy earth for 1,000 years.

Adam was punished immediately when he disobeyed. Those angels were punished immediately and placed in the pit.

 

[Timtofly]

No, he did not twist Scripture. Genesis 6 IS... about fallen angels mating with the daughters of Adam. If you cannot understand why... that happened, it is because you failed to grasp how Satan continually attacked the Seed of The Woman that Jesus was to be born through, his first attempt was the murder of Abel. Even with king Herod, he ordered all firstborn infants to be killed in hopes of including baby Jesus.

Here is further Biblical proof of the existence of the hybrid-giant race...

Isa 26:14
14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast Thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.
KJV

That is one of two places in the KJV where the translators failed to bring one of the names of the giants, Rephaim, into English.

We know per God's Word that even the wicked dead will have a resurrection, what Lord Jesus called the "resurrection of damnation" in John 5:28-29.

But THESE in Isaiah 26:14 here, it says, "they shall not rise". That means NO resurrection for them. And that is pointing to the hybrid-giant race which was a product of a group of Satan's angels that took wives of the flesh daughters of the man Adam, trying to taint the bloodline of the Seed that Christ would be born through.

This also is why Genesis 6:9 states that Noah was "perfect in his generations", which the Hebrew word for "perfect" is the same word used about the blood purity of sacrificial animals required for OT sacrifice to God. Noah had kept his bloodline from the man Adam pure, and had not mixed with those other peoples. So that definitely reveals the attack of that time was upon the bloodline of the Seed of the Woman that Jesus would be born through. Thus the reason for the flood.

Because Genesis 6:4 says, "and also after that", it means even after... the flood, there was a 2nd irruption of the angels mating with flesh woman. With those offspring of giants, God commanded the children of Israel to literally wipe off the face of the earth. And those giants just so happened to live mostly among the nations of Canaan (like the Emim, Anakim, Rephaim, Zuzim).

Adam was the very first sinner. Why is it important to keep sin pure in some bloodline? Is there a difference between pure sinners and impure sinners?

 

[Marty fox]

Marty, i never called you a hypocrite for saying "the Seth lineage are the sons of God".

If you claim that i am a hypocrite for believing the words of God = 2 Peter ch2, Jude , Luke ch20, then you accuse God Himself of being a liar.

What is the Holy Path you should take now? Your words, "Seth" or God's words "Gen ch6 sons of God are the angels who sinned"

No not at all that isn’t what I was saying or what I believe.

Saying Seth’s offspring are the sons of God isn’t being hypocritical it’s just a view.

You claiming what you think 2 Peter 2 or Jude or Luke 20 is saying isn’t hypocritical either I never said that about you as it’s just your view.

What I said was that claiming that I go against certain scriptures and then you completely go against what Genesis 6:5-6 says is being hypocritical. I even asked you multiple times to give your explanation of that verse and you refused too. That is being hypocritical especially since I answered every one of your questions.

 

[Marty fox]

Revelation 12:7-17 has NOT happened yet bro.

Jesus hadn't come yet to die on the cross when Satan first rebelled back in the old world.

Rev 12:9-11
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
KJV

That in red links Satan being cast out after the time of Christ's Salvation, which hadn't come yet back in the old world, because Lord Jesus had to die on the cross for that Salvation to come into effect. So that's one easy way we know this casting out time is for after... Christ's death and resurrection. And since there's definite tribulation timing events linked with the 7-17 verses, it's easy to know this casting out is for the last days just prior to Christ's return.

Verse 11 should draw your attention to the saints on the 5th Seal of Rev.6 also, which definitely is about the future time of "great tribulation" when some of us will be delivered up to give a Testimony for Christ by The Holy Spirit, per Mark 13.


Beware of false prophets today: one of the most common ways the false prophets in many of today's pulpits work is to pull out a single verse and apply a meaning to it that is against the flow of the Chapter. That's why keeping the section of Scripture together about a subject is important. It is why God said to do line upon line study of His Word, so as to not be snared and taken (Isaiah 28). And in this case of Rev.12, the Rev.12:7-17 all flow together and is about the end of this world based on the type of events given there.

So you don’t think that we overcome satan by the blood of the Lamb? Huh I have.

You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
1 John 4:4

 

[Timtofly]

Jesus said in heaven angels do not marry, nor do humans! But when they left their first habitation (heaven) and took on male bodies, they obviously can and did!

And as far as marriage- they did marry. for it is the act of intercourse that marries one to the other. There were no marriage ceremonies in those days.

Yes, we still live in bodies' of sin and death but we are new creatures now!

2 Corinthians 5:17​

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King James Version​

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17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

They never took on male bodies. Only angels God sends appear as human. God did not send the rebel angels to earth. God immediately placed them in chains of darkness. They rebelled before Satan tempted Eve in the Garden.

You are adding human mythology to the Word of God. Do you not understand that the Flood was about 1500 years after Adam disobeyed God? You are saying God rewarded those rebel angels with 1500 years of sexual bliss. Why?

 

[David in NJ]

No not at all that isn’t what I was saying or what I believe.

Saying Seth’s offspring are the sons of God isn’t being hypocritical it’s just a view.

You claiming what you think 2 Peter 2 or Jude or Luke 20 is saying isn’t hypocritical either I never said that about you as it’s just your view.

What I said was that claiming that I go against certain scriptures and then you completely go against what Genesis 6:5-6 says is being hypocritical. I even asked you multiple times to give your explanation of that verse and you refused too. That is being hypocritical especially since I answered every one of your questions.

Seth lineage as the "sons of God" is a unscriptural view = there is not one scripture to support it

Gen ch6 , Job ch1 ch2, Jude ,2 Peter ch2 and Luke ch20 are not someones view, they are God's words.

Can you see the difference?

 

[David in NJ]

God placed them in hell, not on earth to procreate with any one on earth.

They were never on the earth. Two different events. Two different outcomes.

Satan and the angels rebelled before Satan tempted Eve in the Garden. They were already locked up in chains of darkness in the pit way before Adam even disobeyed God.

That would be like saying the angels were allowed to procreate with the sons of God. That was before sin entered the world. Genesis 6 happened over 900 years later. No way God would let those angels enjoy earth for 1,000 years.

Adam was punished immediately when he disobeyed. Those angels were punished immediately and placed in the pit.

Genesis says the "sons of God/angels" were on earth taking wives and producing offspring that were giants and men with superior aspects that they were "men of renown".

2 Peter and Jude says that this was their sin whereby God locked them in chains in the depths of darkness/hell.

i notice that you make claims but are not able to bring forth scripture that support your claims.

 

[Grailhunter]

You're being SILLY, along with DENYING God's Word as written.

Show us where the scriptures say that "the sons of God were angels" I dare you.
Best I can tell you are lying about God's Word. I don't say that lightly because I do not need to say that usually...You are just saying that about God's Word but can not produce the scripture. So.....if the shoe fits....wear it with pride!
The Bible does not say they are angels!

 

[Marty fox]

Seth lineage as the "sons of God" is a unscriptural view = there is not one scripture to support it

Gen ch6 , Job ch1 ch2, Jude ,2 Peter ch2 and Luke ch20 are not someones view, they are God's words.

Can you see the difference?

Yes you’re view of Gods word

 

[Timtofly]

Angels are not stars! And the term angel to describe angels was not used until long after the dispersion at Babel.

And yes god has changed terms to describe things.

YOu err in your paragraph because you are too busy making false assumptions about me and others. Currently in heaven, no one has a glorified physical body. That awaits the rapture and then the first resurrection. In heaven we do not know what kind of body angels have. Though it does not speak of angels, 1 cor. 15 is an excellent primer for bodies. Angels never were physical creatures. they were desinged as spirits as Hebrews says as they are ministering SPIRITS.

All Jesus said is that in heaven angels do not have sex. It does not say that cannot, but that they don't. Once again you have to create an entire non-biblical narrative to expalin Genesis 6, while the sons of God being angels is accepted by Jew and most chrtistians as Job makes it clear they are angels.

I never said those currently in heaven have a glorified body. Now who is making false assumptions?

Those angels did not make it to earth.

No, Jesus was not talking about the angels in the firmament who are the stars. That is why they were created. Jesus said those humans are like the angels, and humans don't procreate in heaven. The angels never could ever. The heavenly host refers to the stars and angels doing their job as the stars.

Even if those in heaven came to earth, they would not procreate again here on earth. Most were already doing that in Adam's dead corruptible flesh. It is not that they can't. It is that they don't because there is no need to keep making more humans in heaven. They don't become angels, and angels don't ever become humans. Angels appear as humans, they don't become humans.

A star is sent as a ministering spirit when necessary. Sometimes in human form. The term angel means messenger, some how that became their name instead of star. They were called stars from Genesis 1 to Revelation 9.

You can deny a star has no physical makeup, but you would be wrong. Even the sons of God on earth shone like the sun. Jesus showed us on the mount of Transfiguration what a son of God in the image of God looks like.

"And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light."

Adam and Eve were covered in the light of a sun on the earth. Not only were the sons of God not angels, but humans were as bight as the sun on the earth. You deny the stars are the angels, you also deny that being glorified turns us back into stars on the earth. Daniel 12:3 is not symbolic

"And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."

The sons of God could shine like stars. But they were not the stars in the firmament who left against God's Will. They did think that Adam's dead corruptible flesh was good to look at.