Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men

[David in NJ]

Let me show you what linage looks like in the Old Testament.
10 Now these are the records of the generations of Shem, Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah; and sons were born to them after the flood.

2 The sons of Japheth were Gomer and Magog and Madai and Javan and Tubal and Meshech and Tiras. 3 The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz and [a]Riphath and Togarmah. 4 The sons of Javan were Elishah and Tarshish, Kittim and [b]Dodanim. 5 From these the coastlands of the nations [c]were separated into their lands, every one according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.

6 The sons of Ham were Cush and Mizraim and Put and Canaan. 7 The sons of Cush were Seba and Havilah and Sabtah and Raamah and Sabteca; and the sons of Raamah were Sheba and Dedan. 8 Now Cush [d]became the father of Nimrod; he [e]became a mighty one on the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; therefore it is said, “Like Nimrod a mighty hunter before the Lord.” 10 The beginning of his kingdom was [f]Babel and Erech and Accad and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. 11 From that land he went forth into Assyria, and built Nineveh and Rehoboth-Ir and Calah, 12 and Resen between Nineveh and Calah; that is the great city. 13 Mizraim [g]became the father of Ludim and Anamim and Lehabim and Naphtuhim 14 and Pathrusim and Casluhim (from which came the Philistines) and Caphtorim.

15 Canaan [h]became the father of Sidon, his firstborn, and Heth 16 and the Jebusite and the Amorite and the Girgashite 17 and the Hivite and the Arkite and the Sinite 18 and the Arvadite and the Zemarite and the Hamathite; and afterward the families of the Canaanite were spread abroad. 19 The territory of the Canaanite [i]extended from Sidon as you go toward Gerar, as far as Gaza; as you go toward Sodom and Gomorrah and Admah and Zeboiim, as far as Lasha. 20 These are the sons of Ham, according to their families, according to their languages, by their lands, by their nations.

21 Also to Shem, the father of all the children of Eber, and the [j]older brother of Japheth, children were born. 22 The sons of Shem were Elam and Asshur and Arpachshad and Lud and Aram. 23 The sons of Aram were Uz and Hul and Gether and Mash. 24 Arpachshad [k]became the father of Shelah; and Shelah [l]became the father of Eber. 25 Two sons were born to Eber; the name of the one was [m]Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan. 26 Joktan [n]became the father of Almodad and Sheleph and Hazarmaveth and Jerah 27 and Hadoram and Uzal and Diklah 28 and [o]Obal and Abimael and Sheba 29 and Ophir and Havilah and Jobab; all these were the sons of Joktan. 30 Now their [p]settlement [q]extended from Mesha as you go toward Sephar, the hill country of the east. 31 These are the sons of Shem, according to their families, according to their languages, by their lands, according to their nations.

32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, according to their genealogies, by their nations; and out of these the nations were separated on the earth after the flood.

For one thing women are usually not mentioned in Hebrew lineages.
We do not know the names of these women.
We do not know the names of their fathers.
We do not know were they came from or where they lived.
You got nothing!

lol - you guys are the one pushing that the 'sons of God' are from Seth - lol

i have EVERYTHING because i have/believe the Truth = Genesis ch6 , Luke ch3 , Luke ch20, John ch1 , Eph ch2 , 2 Peter ch2 , Jude , 1 John ch3 , Revelation = sons of God are angelic/spirit beings which includes those who are Born-Again

Believe the Truth and you will Know the TRUTH

Thinking Right leads to Right Thinking
Not thinking leads to knot thinking

 

[Grailhunter]

It isn't necessary that you believe what I believe Scripture teaches us!

The scriptures do not teach fantasy....that is going on between your ears.

You may believe whatever you are led to believe according to your own study.

And that is your problem...you should believe what say.....wild and imaginative interpretations lead to false beliefs.

Since you've given no Scripture proof for sons of God presenting themselves before God in heaven,

Already did that....you just do not believe in scripture....or you cannot read. Pretty much a one liner and you cannot comprehend it????
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. Job 1:6
REALLY! IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS VERSE? MAYBE I NEED TO OPEN A THREAD?

Until it can be proven through the Word of God, I will continue to believe sons of God present themselves before God physically because they are endowed with spiritual life from above.

I don't think you believe in the Word of God....you have your own imaginative word of rwb.

 

[Grailhunter]

lol - you guys are the one pushing that the 'sons of God' are from Seth - lol

WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT TO ME....THE WHOLE SETH THING IS COW MANURE.

 

[Grailhunter]

The Old Testament is pretty good about male linage, but not so good about female linage.
In relation to the daughters that married the sons of God....again

We do not know the names of these women.
We do not know the names of their fathers.
We do not know were they came from or where they lived.
We have no scripture that connects the women that married the sons of God to anyone or any region, nor the descendants of their offspring.
Since we do not know how many marriages occurred over how long a time period....just how big would this list of descendants be?
I gave you guys an example of how linages occur in the Old Testament so if there were lists of say a couple dozen daughters it would be lengthy and stand out like a sore thumb and be very odd because Hebrew linages do not usually include women.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Do you think Paul presented himself before God? Or was he taken there?

Look I pray for the souls of Jehovah's witnesses or whatever you are.... but I do not have a whole lot to say to you other than what I would say to anyone that belonged to the Branch Davidian, or the Jim Jones group or the Moonies, or the Hare Krishnas.....RUN! Get away from this group, all that awaits you is a curse! If you are programmed so deeply and cannot do it on your own, get professional help.

Reason is not the enemy of faith. Fantasy is.

 

[CadyandZoe]

2Samuel 7:13-17

He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be a father to him and he will be a son to Me; when he commits iniquity, I will correct him with the rod of men and the strokes of the sons of men, but My lovingkindness shall not depart from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. Your house and your kingdom shall endure before Me forever; your throne shall be established forever.”’” In accordance with all these words and all this vision, so Nathan spoke to David.

YOU SAID = "As I said, the promise includes each and every son of David that ruled on David's throne; "I will be a father to him and he shall be a son to me."

Well, it is quite easily recognized thru reading the Bible that this prophecy was for David during his time but the fulfillment of this spoke of Christ.

PhD's are banned from Truth = Truth comes from a PERSON who is GOD

It was Solomon who built the temple.

 

[David in NJ]

It was Solomon who built the temple.

YES - which means that the Promise of a Eternal King ruling from David's lineage only speaks of Christ.


Acts 2:22
Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it. 25For David says concerning Him:

‘I foresaw the Lord always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
26Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
27For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
28You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’

29“Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

34“For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’

36“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

 

[rwb]

The scriptures do not teach fantasy....that is going on between your ears.

And that is your problem...you should believe what say.....wild and imaginative interpretations lead to false beliefs.


Already did that....you just do not believe in scripture....or you cannot read. Pretty much a one liner and you cannot comprehend it????
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. Job 1:6
REALLY! IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS VERSE? MAYBE I NEED TO OPEN A THREAD?


I don't think you believe in the Word of God....you have your own imaginative word of rwb.

There comes a time when to continue in a discussion would be akin to foolishness.

 

[David in NJ]

The scriptures do not teach fantasy....that is going on between your ears.

And that is your problem...you should believe what say.....wild and imaginative interpretations lead to false beliefs.


Already did that....you just do not believe in scripture....or you cannot read. Pretty much a one liner and you cannot comprehend it????
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. Job 1:6
REALLY! IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS VERSE? MAYBE I NEED TO OPEN A THREAD?


I don't think you believe in the Word of God....you have your own imaginative word of rwb.

Open a new Thread on 'sons of God' - Job ch1

Very easily understood that these were not humans for anyone who has read the entirety of Scripture with the Holy Spirit as Guide.

 

[David in NJ]

The Old Testament is pretty good about male linage, but not so good about female linage.
In relation to the daughters that married the sons of God....again

We do not know the names of these women.
We do not know the names of their fathers.
We do not know were they came from or where they lived.
We have no scripture that connects the women that married the sons of God to anyone or any region, nor the descendants of their offspring.
Since we do not know how many marriages occurred over how long a time period....just how big would this list of descendants be?
I gave you guys an example of how linages occur in the Old Testament so if there were lists of say a couple dozen daughters it would be lengthy and stand out like a sore thumb and be very odd because Hebrew linages do not usually include women.

Which, by the Way, demonstrates God's Wisdom = if you can pick Up on it.

 

[CadyandZoe]

YES - which means that the Promise of a Eternal King ruling from David's lineage only speaks of Christ.

Of course. But my point is this. Jesus is not the only son of David whom God the father treated as his son." 2Samuel 7 applies to David's entire dynasty. God was father to all the sons of David who ruled on the throne, just as they were all son's to him. The NT author's, especially John, understood this, which is why John called Jesus the "one-of-a-kind" son. Among all the son-kings sitting on the Throne of David, only Jesus Christ was the fulfillment of the promise of an eternal king as you rightly point out.

Thus, the Greek word "monogenes" was mistranslated as "only begotten" son instead of properly translated, "one-of-a-kind" son.

 

[David in NJ]

Of course. But my point is this. Jesus is not the only son of David whom God the father treated as his son." 2Samuel 7 applies to David's entire dynasty. God was father to all the sons of David who ruled on the throne, just as they were all son's to him. The NT author's, especially John, understood this, which is why John called Jesus the "one-of-a-kind" son. Among all the son-kings sitting on the Throne of David, only Jesus Christ was the fulfillment of the promise of an eternal king as you rightly point out.

Thus, the Greek word "monogenes" was mistranslated as "only begotten" son instead of properly translated, "one-of-a-kind" son.

Translation is correct because the TRUTH is CORRECT.

Abraham has only one begotten son thru the promise of God.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of the FATHER

Before the SON came to earth as a man, HE was and is the WORD that was God from the Beginning.

"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God" - John 1:1
"and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" - John 1:14


We only become "sons of God" thru Regeneration/Resurrection of our spirits which were dead in sin.
We are created Beings.
The WORD is Eternal Elohim with the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT = THEY were never created.

Genesis 1:26 - "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;"

 

[Marty fox]

Open a new Thread on 'sons of God' - Job ch1

Very easily understood that these were not humans for anyone who has read the entirety of Scripture with the Holy Spirit as Guide.

Then why doesn't the verse below mention fallen angles?

Genesis 6:7
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”

The verse above proves that they were humans

 

[David in NJ]

Then why doesn't the verse below mention fallen angles?

Genesis 6:7
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”

The verse above proves that they were humans

God told us, clear as day, these were angels = 2 Peter ch2 and Jude and Job and Luke ch20

Genesis ch6 proves something that occurred between "sons of God and the daughters of men"

Now, i can give to you what Gen6:7 means but i would rather you receive it from the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures so that you can Rejoice in the Truth and increase in understanding.

Listen carefully, i am perhaps the least intelligent on here, but that pleases God for HE delights in the lowly and gives Grace to the weak things and that which is despised so that His Glory may be revealed thru His Holy Spirit = the Spirit of Truth.

Seeking answers from God thru His Word means that we abandon all of our preconceived thoughts to His Word.

This is why the scripture says:

Matthew 4:4 -
But Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone,
but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’

2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

Relish the opportunity of SEEING thru the Mind of Christ which is available to all who call upon the FATHER thru the SON whereby we receive the HOLY SPIRIT as our Teacher and Guide.

 

[rwb]

Then why doesn't the verse below mention fallen angles?

Genesis 6:7
7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.”

The verse above proves that they were humans

Exactly Marty! Why would God destroy every living thing upon the earth if sons of God are fallen angels? Also, why and where do we ever hear fallen angels referenced as sons of God? It's not angels some argue are sons of God, but fallen angels? That's absurdity in the highest degree!

 

[Marty fox]

God told us, clear as day, these were angels = 2 Peter ch2 and Jude and Job and Luke ch20

Genesis ch6 proves something that occurred between "sons of God and the daughters of men"

Now, i can give to you what Gen6:7 means but i would rather you receive it from the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures so that you can Rejoice in the Truth and increase in understanding.

Listen carefully, i am perhaps the least intelligent on here, but that pleases God for HE delights in the lowly and gives Grace to the weak things and that which is despised so that His Glory may be revealed thru His Holy Spirit = the Spirit of Truth.

Seeking answers from God thru His Word means that we abandon all of our preconceived thoughts to His Word.

This is why the scripture says:

Matthew 4:4 -
But Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone,
but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’

2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

Relish the opportunity of SEEING thru the Mind of Christ which is available to all who call upon the FATHER thru the SON whereby we receive the HOLY SPIRIT as our Teacher and Guide.

I did use scripture in the OP and my last post to prove my point.

 

[David in NJ]

I did use scripture in the OP and my last post to prove my point.

Everybody uses scripture to prove their point - this does not mean that they came to the correct conclusion.

Luke 20:34-36 and 2 Peter 2:4-5 and Jude tells us who the "sons of God" were = with unmistakable clarity!

 

[Marty fox]

Everybody uses scripture to prove their point - this does not mean that they came to the correct conclusion.

Luke 20:34-36 and 2 Peter 2:4-5 and Jude tells us who the "sons of God" were = with unmistakable clarity!

the sons of God are whoever are faithful to Him weather angles or humans.

Genesis 6:7 proves that in this case they were human if not how would you explain it?

 

[Grailhunter]

Everybody uses scripture to prove their point - this does not mean that they came to the correct conclusion.

Luke 20:34-36 and 2 Peter 2:4-5 and Jude tells us who the "sons of God" were = with unmistakable clarity!

LOL Apples and oranges! Those sons of God had normal kids and the scriptures do not highlight them taking wives, because it is not a unique event. Man you need to learn how to interpret the scriptures.....There is no telling what you believe....

 

[David in NJ]

LOL Apples and oranges! Those sons of God had normal kids and the scriptures do not highlight them taking wives, because it is not a unique event. Man you need to learn how to interpret the scriptures.....There is no telling what you believe....

Over your head........

lol - "How to interpret scripture"