The Crucified Flesh

[Jim B]

Let us read torah , the prophets , Christ and the apostles .
Let us go back many many moons ago to a time when JERSUALEM was about to BE JUDGED and removed into the nations
BY GOD .
Let us examine what most of the prophets , the false ones were preaching
Peace , smooth things , their message caused none to repent of their wickedness , by promising them life .
They made sad the heart of the righteous . They wanted nothing to do with the HOLY ONE of ISRAEL
and said away with him PREACH UNTO US SMOOTH THINGS .
They were preaching on times of peace .
The nation was in shambles , its leaders were fleecing the flocks and saying thus sayeth the LORD .
They were worshipping other gods , idols and still trying to play as though they worshipped GOD .
They had become as Sodom and no longer even hid their sin but celebrated it right in the streets .
And he who spoke truth made himself a prey unto their teeth .
NOW LOOK AT TODAY . And even back then GOD was sending true prophets to warn them to repent of their wickedness .
And they were persecuting them and putting some to death .
They were all about peace , they actually believed they followed GOD and saw the true prophets as enemies .
SO too with CHRIST many did this very same thing
SO TOO with the church . GOD always sends some to try and help the people
yet the many always see them as the enemies . Aint nothing new under the sun .
A JUDGMENT has indeed already began . Only most see it as an awakening as love .
BUT its a DELUSION . Its giving folks who reject , reject and reject GOD over to believe a lie .
And SOON the JUDGMENTS of GOD upon such a city , a state , states , a nation and nations and world will begin .
JESUS warned HIS own and HIS EVERY WORD is STILL TRUE TODAY and it STILL applies to the church .
HE warned us of the main thing to beware .
The number one thing . Beware of wolves that come to you in sheeps clothing .
Many false prophets shall arise and shall decieve many .
A time of great testing is upon the lambs . We are entering into the climax of all that was foretold .
The relative times of peace in the western nations IS COMING TO AN END . Real serious persecutions are coming for the lambs .
But fear not man or what he can do . OUR BELOVED KING has prepared a place for us . WE WIN for JESUS WON no matter
they do to us . JUST preach JESUS CHRIST and him crucified to the last and final breath .

YAWN!!!

 

[Jim B]

I focus on her , cause due to her all her good works SHE SO EASILY DECIEVES the people .
Just like pope francis . The man is one of the nicest guys you would ever meet
SO is smiley JOEL ostein . THIS is how they are so easily able to decieve .
FOLKS think oh they do so much good they must know GOD . NO THEY DONT JIM .
Its easy to point out a man who is KKK or saying hate the jews or etc . BUT most false prophets
come as some of the nicest people you would ever meet . DO BEWARE my friend .

YAWN!!!

 

[Jim B]

Tis why i remind all . TAKE HEED , brethren , lest there be in any of you an evil heart to follow the all inclusive lie .
Cause if one goes down that road , THEY DOOMED to the pits of hades .
We cant say JESUS IS OUR WAY but the muslims buddists or others have their own way .
We cannot be as the false new age preistess oprah wimphrey . SURE SHE claims to believe in JESUS
but the jesus she believes in AINT JESUS . IF we go the lovey doo way , DAMANTION AWAITS .
Take heed brethren , beware the error of the all inclusive many path lie , partake not of that error
lest ye FALL FROM YOUR OWN steadfastness .

YAWN!!!

 

[Jim B]

Men have caused discernement , correction , truth , warnings and all that was and is good for the body of Christ
to now be disregaurded .
But let us keep it real simple . Let all warnings , reminders , truth simply be spoken or typed .
It falls where it falls my friend .
For years folks have come against what they call bitter . But some do hear . The truth
simply must be spoken and it shall fall upon whom it shall fall .
Men , who crept in to decieve , have taught the peoples to beware what things you do say .
That speaking truths might harm some or run some off . But i say , SIMPLY SPEAK THE WORD
and GOD alone shall plant it and many will reject it . Let he or she who has ears to hear
simply love and embrace all reminders of all holy scrips . Whether grave or compassionate
whether by fear hating even the garment spotted by the flesh . JUST SPEAK , TYPE and DO as the SPIRIT BIDS TO DO .
For years many have fought the things that were not smooth sounding unto them .
And have balked and accused anyone who comes to truly exhort .
Many have said AWAY with the pure and holy unadulterated words of GOD . GIVE US NO MORE warnings
TELL US NO MORE about repentance , GIVE US this inclusive love god that tells us all is fine , all religoins are good
and we are fine as is .

YAWN!!!

 

[Jim B]

Many have come to and embraced an ideal , an image of JESUS that is not JESUS
and an image of GOD that is not GOD . They follow a love that cometh not of GOD but is of the world .
Correction shall not cease . Nor the words of truth from the mouth of a lamb . For it is GOD who giveth .
The warnings are for OUR GOOD and not for our destruction . That we be mindful of all things written and follow
THAT GOD and HIS CHRIST . A serious , grievious and deadly error has occured .
The leaders preach smooth things unto the people , they are for numbers and money and have made the church
into their business and a business . They have preached a gospel that cannot save
and a love that is not of GOD and worse the peoples love to have it so . But what will ye do in the END thereof .

YAWN!!!

 

[Jim B]

He was crucified for our sins and raised again for our justification that we would walk in rigtheousness by the power of the SPIRIT .
If ya jesus is holding rainbows , big on pro nouns , claiming muslims and others follow GOD or know GOD . IT AINT JESUS .
IF we want to know the JESUS we follow IS THE TRUE JESUS CHRIST , i suggest we DELVE DEEP into the gospels .
IF we want to know if our leaders truly follow the pattern the apostels set and taught , I SUGGEST WE DELVE DEEP INTO THEIR LETTERS .
cause men are DECIEVING US . Wolves in sheeps clothing have infiltrated many houses and many churches .

YAWN!!!

 

[Jim B]

The true leaders of any churches would not have changed their message to appease and to please the crowd .
They would have simply been concerned with the welfare of their soul .
The message has been changed and more so as time goes on .
Till now if one even asks questions concering certain sins and ideals , they are asked to leave the churches .
Away with the true and holy biblical pattern and all who teach it has now become the mantra .
As the leaders preach ever smooth things unto their ever ready ears . The lambs heed them not .
The lambs shall contend for the one true faith , following the SPIRIT and all sound doctrine that was given us in the bible for our learning .

YAWN!!!

 

[Jim B]

Many wont preach the LOVE of GOD .
For GOD so loved , LOVED , the WORLD that HE SENT His only begotten son
that all who do BELIEVE would not PERISH but have everlasting life . Too many try and air condition hell instead
and say things like a loving GOD would not do that .
RATHER , i say , PREACH THE LOVE OF GOD that does SAVE the one who does believe .
They act as though the biblical version of GOD dont love cause of a place called the lake of fire .
BUT I SAY , OH YES HE DOES LOVE , ITS WHY HE SENT CHRIST . NOW BELIEVE YE IN HIM .
They omit the severity of GOD and wont even preach HIS GOODNESS . they give a false illusion of what love is and GOD is .
But again i say , GOD DOES LOVE , HE SENT THE SON , the SON SUFFERED MASSIVE , NOW BELIEVE AND RECIEVE .

YAWN!!!

 

[Lizbeth]

See here-from the article? Does Rom 6 teach sinless perfectionism i.e.-unable to commit a sin in word, thought and deed?

John Darby’s Synopsis
The Geneva Study Bible
John Gill’s Exposition of the Bible
Jamieson, Faussett, and Brown
B. W. Johnson’s Bible Commentary
Martin Luther’s Bible Commentary
Matthew Henry Bible Commentary (complete)
Matthew Henry’s Bible Commentary (concise)
Wesley’s Explanatory Notes

On this site a lot of Calvin's commentaries.

I believe we need to aiming for perfection and that the perfect plumbline of His word needs to be held up and preached that we may be brought more and more into line with it. We're being transformed into His likeness as we keep our eyes fixed on Him and the plumbline of His word. He is the Cornerstone that we might be built up level and in line with it.

2Co 3:18

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. (not by might, not by power, but by my Spirit says the Lord)

 

[Lizbeth]

Romans 61What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?2By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?3Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection.6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, [1] that we should no longer be slaves to sin--7 because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him.10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.13 Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness.14 For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted.18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.19 I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness.20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness.21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death!22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in [2] Christ Jesus our Lord.

Amen. "Sin not", and "go and sin no more" is foundational. That's the first thing we learn and get established in us after the Cornerstone is laid in our temple. We're not going to get very far and grow if we don't first get that settled.

 

[Lizbeth]

YAWN!!!

Don't underestimate the sneaky subtlety of the devil who is always seeking who he may devour....appearing as an angel of light, seducing and flattering and sugar coating his bait. Especially when we are warned of a falling away. There are Christians being sucked into his vortex every day now.....many are going back under the umbrella of Catholicism, some are going back under the Law, some are going new age in overt ways, others are making up their own watered down seeker friendly version of Christianity as they go along. We NEED the plumbline of God's word held up, LIFTED UP, always, that we may look upon it and be healed! There is power in that. ENDURE sound doctrine, because our flesh doesn't like it.

 

[Jim B]

Don't underestimate the sneaky subtlety of the devil who is always seeking who he may devour....appearing as an angel of light, seducing and flattering and sugar coating his bait. Especially when we are warned of a falling away. There are Christians being sucked into his vortex every day now.....many are going back under the umbrella of Catholicism, some are going back under the Law, some are going new age in overt ways, others are making up their own watered down seeker friendly version of Christianity as they go along. We NEED the plumbline of God's word held up, LIFTED UP, always, that we may look upon it and be healed! There is power in that. ENDURE sound doctrine, because our flesh doesn't like it.

Are you a disciple of "amigo de christo"? Apparently both of you have forgotten the clear instructions given by Jesus Christ (both from the Old Testament)...

1) Love God with all you heart, soul, mind, and strength
2) Love your neighbor as yourself

Notice that the first word of each is love. Not judgement, not hate, not condemnation.

Don't you both underestimate the sneaky subtlety of the devil who is always seeking who he may devour! There are indeed Christians being sucked into his vortex every day now. Flee into righteousness and love, not judgement of others. "For God so LOVED THE WORLD..."

 

[Jim B]

Amen. "Sin not", and "go and sin no more" is foundational. That's the first thing we learn and get established in us after the Cornerstone is laid in our temple. We're not going to get very far and grow if we don't first get that settled.

Judgement of others is a sin! Love your neighbor as yourself!!!

 

[Jim B]

For those who are so consumed with their own (false) self-righteousness, read the parable of the Pharisee and th tax collector...

Luke 18:9-14, "He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and regarded others with contempt: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, was praying thus, ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people: thieves, rogues, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give a tenth of all my income.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven but was beating his breast and saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his home justified rather than the other, for all who exalt themselves will be humbled, but all who humble themselves will be exalted.”

 

[Ritajanice]

Luke 18:9-14, "He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and regarded others with contempt: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, was praying thus, ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people: thieves, rogues, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give a tenth of all my income.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven but was beating his breast and saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his home justified rather than the other, for all who exalt themselves will be humbled, but all who humble themselves will be exalted.”

AMEN!!!

 

[ChristisGod]

For those who are so consumed with their own (false) self-righteousness

yawn

 

[ChristisGod]

Judgement of others is a sin! Love your neighbor as yourself!!!

you judged others in your next post # 374.

yawn................

 

[Johann]

Amen. "Sin not", and "go and sin no more" is foundational. That's the first thing we learn and get established in us after the Cornerstone is laid in our temple. We're not going to get very far and grow if we don't first get that settled.

What is foundational-is Christ Jesus, Him crucified, Him resurrected
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
1Co 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
1Co 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
1Co 15:11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.


Rom_15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

1Co_3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

1Co_3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

1Co_3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

Eph_1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Eph_2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

1Ti_6:19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

2Ti_2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Heb_1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

Heb_4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb_6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Heb_9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

1Pe_1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

--so your "foundation" is to solidify "sinless perfectionism"--this is how you interpret the Scriptures--good news Paul never claimed what you claim.--and you quote the very scripture to another sister-proving that Paul "did not yet arrived"-but you have.
Maybe the Wesleyan Movement is still strong here-with their "second blessings"

I am really not interested in your opinions, not being facetious.

Php 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

Php 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

Php 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Php 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Php 3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

Php 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

Php 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

Php 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Not that (ouch hoti). To guard against a misunderstanding as in Joh_6:26; Joh_12:6; 2Co_1:24; Php_4:11, Php_4:17.

I have already obtained (ēdē elabon). Rather, “I did already obtain,” constative second aorist active indicative of lambanō, summing up all his previous experiences as a single event.

Or am already made perfect (ē ēdē teteleiōmai). Perfect passive indicative (state of completion) of teleioō, old verb from teleios and that from telos (end).

Paul pointedly denies that he has reached a spiritual impasse of non- development. Certainly he knew nothing of so-called sudden absolute perfection by any single experience. Paul has made great progress in Christlikeness, but the goal is still before him, not behind him.

--Diametrically opposed to what your "foundation" is-sinless perfection already obtained-no need for further striving and sanctification.

But I press on (diōkō de). He is not discouraged, but encouraged. He keeps up the chase (real idea in diōkō, as in 1Co_14:1; Rom_9:30; 1Ti_6:11).


If so be that (ei kai). “I follow after.” The condition (third class, ei̇̇katalabō, second aorist active subjunctive of katalambanō) is really a sort of purpose clause or aim. There are plenty of examples in the Koiné[28928]š of the use of ei and the subjunctive as here (Robertson, Grammar, p. 1017), “if I also may lay hold of that for which (Ephesians' hōi, purpose expressed by epi) I was laid hold of (katelēmphthēn, first aorist passive of the same verb katalambanō) by Christ Jesus.” His conversion was the beginning, not the end of the chase.

--but in your case-"I have arrived"-no need for Conditional Clauses.
Well done, stay in your lane.
:)

Shalom, and have a blessed journey.

 

[Johann]

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. (not by might, not by power, but by my Spirit says the Lord)

How do you exegete this? Sinless perfectionism?

 

[Johann]

Men have caused discernement , correction , truth , warnings and all that was and is good for the body of Christ
to now be disregaurded .
But let us keep it real simple . Let all warnings , reminders , truth simply be spoken or typed .
It falls where it falls my friend .
For years folks have come against what they call bitter . But some do hear . The truth
simply must be spoken and it shall fall upon whom it shall fall .
Men , who crept in to decieve , have taught the peoples to beware what things you do say .
That speaking truths might harm some or run some off . But i say , SIMPLY SPEAK THE WORD
and GOD alone shall plant it and many will reject it . Let he or she who has ears to hear
simply love and embrace all reminders of all holy scrips . Whether grave or compassionate
whether by fear hating even the garment spotted by the flesh . JUST SPEAK , TYPE and DO as the SPIRIT BIDS TO DO .
For years many have fought the things that were not smooth sounding unto them .
And have balked and accused anyone who comes to truly exhort .
Many have said AWAY with the pure and holy unadulterated words of GOD . GIVE US NO MORE warnings
TELL US NO MORE about repentance , GIVE US this inclusive love god that tells us all is fine , all religoins are good
and we are fine as is .

As always-a huge inspiration to me, I don't put you on a pedestal, we are co-workers and the opposition is strong, vehemently so.

Remain steadfast and rooted in Christ Jesus brother--the Wesleyans are upon us!!