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amigo de christo

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We agree! Progressives don't preach NO GOSPEL. Even though it's a double negative, what you wrote is true! Progressives preach the Gospel -- the truth of God!

I won't reply to the rest of your usual rant, since I'm still stunned that you actually got things right for once!
Looks like we both made a mistake with english . Your right that was a double negative .
But now let me correct your english cause you left out a word .
You meant to say the progressives preach the FALSE gospel . one that cannot save jim . But thanks for the correction
about the double negative . It reminds me of an old evil song i used to listen too .
I cant get no satisfaction . yeah my english teacher used to mock that song . cause actually its saying the opposite
of what the singer intended it to mean .
 
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If even a brock clock like the popes and vatican can list some things that are right
marvel not if even calvin or luther might have said some right things .
Sooooo, why do YOU follow things THEY invented that aren't in the Bible?
As i said
dont follow men my friend , FOLLOW CHRIST .
And YOU follow Luther. as shown by those 3 Essentials I listed . . .
 
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The muslims and jews do not follow the same GOD . now it is true that the unbelieving jew , unbelieving in CHRIST ,
does not follow GOD either . Sure they may worship him in ignorance . But till they repent and come to saving
Faith in Christ , they are as paul himself , who was a jew once said about his old man .
THEY FOLLOWED satan , darkness , as we all have JIM .
Read what JESUS told paul in chapter twenty six of acts .
The gospel of Christ . To deliver them from satan and the powers of darkness .
YEAH JIM . Now JESUS freed me from satan and his power too .
I used to worship satan . SURE i would never say it by mouth , by my rebellion to CHRIST proved I DID .
The jews and muslims DO NOT worship the same GOD peroid . And the muslims DO NOT WORSHIP GOD at all .
The flesh profits nothing jim . EVEN if my lineage came from abraham , It profits nothing lest i BELIEVE IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND .
The muslim religion , invented by a false socerer who bed his own nine year old wife , came from the devil jim .
And sure the devil lied to him and told him all muslims were the descendants of abraham through ishamel .
YOU do realize that the muslim IS NOT AN RACE JIM. It consists of all sorts of people
like blacks , chinese , americans , europeans , asians and etc .
Not to mention even if all of a sudden they were counted for the seed of ishmael . HOW ON EARTH can that save them JIM .
Ishamel was not the child of promise . ISSAC WAS . IN CHRIST alone jim .
The jews according the flesh did proceed from abraham . Though that could not save them either .
THEY had to BELIEVE ON HE WHOM GOD DID SEND .
But again according to the flesh they came of the twelve tribes JIM . Ishameal was not counted in
even amongst the twelve . ALLL have to come to FAITH IN CHRIST JIM . the flesh profits ZERO , ZILCH .
Brother is spotted. Praise the Lord.
 
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The muslims and jews do not follow the same GOD . now it is true that the unbelieving jew , unbelieving in CHRIST ,
does not follow GOD either . Sure they may worship him in ignorance . But till they repent and come to saving
Faith in Christ , they are as paul himself , who was a jew once said about his old man .
THEY FOLLOWED satan , darkness , as we all have JIM .
Read what JESUS told paul in chapter twenty six of acts .
The gospel of Christ . To deliver them from satan and the powers of darkness .
YEAH JIM . Now JESUS freed me from satan and his power too .
I used to worship satan . SURE i would never say it by mouth , by my rebellion to CHRIST proved I DID .
The jews and muslims DO NOT worship the same GOD peroid . And the muslims DO NOT WORSHIP GOD at all .
The flesh profits nothing jim . EVEN if my lineage came from abraham , It profits nothing lest i BELIEVE IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND .
The muslim religion , invented by a false socerer who bed his own nine year old wife , came from the devil jim .
And sure the devil lied to him and told him all muslims were the descendants of abraham through ishamel .
YOU do realize that the muslim IS NOT AN RACE JIM. It consists of all sorts of people
like blacks , chinese , americans , europeans , asians and etc .
Not to mention even if all of a sudden they were counted for the seed of ishmael . HOW ON EARTH can that save them JIM .
Ishamel was not the child of promise . ISSAC WAS . IN CHRIST alone jim .
The jews according the flesh did proceed from abraham . Though that could not save them either .
THEY had to BELIEVE ON HE WHOM GOD DID SEND .
But again according to the flesh they came of the twelve tribes JIM . Ishameal was not counted in
even amongst the twelve . ALLL have to come to FAITH IN CHRIST JIM . the flesh profits ZERO , ZILCH .
More ignorance! The Muslims and Jews do follow the same God. And you immediately contradict yourself when you write that they worship him in ignorance! The Jews and Muslims DO worship the same GOD as Christians. To claim otherwise is a lie, even if said in ignorance. And you double down on your ignorance by writing "And the muslims DO NOT WORSHIP GOD at all". The Muslims do worship God (as do the Jews).

How can you write such garbage as "the muslim IS NOT AN RACE JIM. It consists of all sorts of people
like blacks , chinese , americans , europeans , asians and etc". Aside from the atrocious English, people of all ethnicities are Muslims -- and Christians (never mind that you're mixing nationalities and races in your rant).

The rest of your nonsense doesn't deserve a response!
 
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Can YOU tell me what is wrong with what the Pope sas in this video?

He is promoting DIALOGUE and PEACE between the world's religions.
He ins NOT endorsing Islam or Buddhism or anything else.

there is another video showing where , I THINK it was john paul , also pope francis
blowing incense unto the images of other religoins too .
That one might be harder to find but i will try and at least find it for you .
DO NOT make excuse for this man . RATHER at the very least correct it . but dont make excuse for it .
Let me know when you "find" it . . .
 

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My problem is with your English! You are so careless and/or lazy that you don't even take the time to write reasonably correct English! CARELESS AND/OR LAZY!!!

Some of your message is correct and some is not. Here is one area that proves both points: "IF i supported your liberal progressive social all inclusive gosple . YOU BEEN PRAISING MY EVERY WORD ." I have no idea what you mean when you write "liberal progressive social all inclusive gosple" [sic]. a) There is no word "gosple". or b) God loves the world, so He agrees with the liberal, progressive, all-inclusive gospel, even though you do not.

John 3:16-17, "For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him." How can you not agree with this and claim to be a Christian??? God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, yet that is all that you do!!! You are blind to your perpetually-condemning, judgmental self-righteousness!!!

There were no such people as "apostels", as you wrote " The apostels also wrote TRUTH inspired by the SPIRIT" and also "We either embrace the TRUTH or we decieve ourselves" is meaningless; there is no such word as "decieve". Why are you so lazy??? You won't even take the time to communicate what you believe are God's truths in reasonably-correct English? (or maybe you can't!) Don't you think that it's appropriate to discuss the things of God in a reasonably literate style? Are you that lazy that you won't honor God by communicating accurately?
@amigo de christo is correct in what he says. It’s the message that he continually posts, that believing in the biblical Lord Jesus is the only way to be saved and have eternal life, is what you have a problem with. Not the spelling and grammar of his posts.

@amigo de christo has actually studied the English language, right back to its origins of runic old English, through to middle English and up to modern English. This was to prove to those that dispute the accuracy of the KJV Bible that it is indeed extremely accurate and he has researched the facts to back this up.

The Lord’s return draws nigh. Let’s all open our bibles and keep reading them. Praise the glorious Lord Jesus.
 

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@amigo de christo is correct in what he says. It’s the message that he continually posts, that believing in the biblical Lord Jesus is the only way to be saved and have eternal life, is what you have a problem with. Not the spelling and grammar of his posts.

You are an ADC sycophant. His posts are so simplistic...and annoying...meant only to draw attention to himself and his own his own virtue-signalling. You are bringing only a shameless yes-man ...or "like-man" congratulatory stamp to his many rantings and ravings.
@amigo de christo has actually studied the English language, right back to its origins of runic old English, through to middle English and up to modern English. This was to prove to those that dispute the accuracy of the KJV Bible that it is indeed extremely accurate and he has researched the facts to back this up.
I don't see any English skills. He could use some English and spelling lessons. And this is not about English...it's about having any spiritual understanding at all. All the runes in the world don't stack up against a simple and humble appraisal of the words of God in any language.
The Lord’s return draws nigh. Let’s all open our bibles and keep reading them. Praise the glorious Lord Jesus.
Even better....why not try seeking the Lord! Reading the bible is good if you are not already indoctrinated away from understanding it. But the Lord will heal people of that by a true encounter and fellowship.

Stop playing in puddles and discover the risen Lord Jesus!
 
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Sooooo, why do YOU follow things THEY invented that aren't in the Bible?

And YOU follow Luther. as shown by those 3 Essentials I listed . . .
This is true. Many here have been brainwashed into thinking that following Luther is the same as following Christ.

They play a religious game. Every sentence has "saved" or "born again" or "point to the cross" or "point to Jesus" ....but it's all a smokescreen. It has no meaning beyond parroting the slogans. And other religiously motivated ones will like it...which only encourages more of the same antics.

Anybody can parrot religious slogans. But try going any deeper than slogans with many here...and you get the same parroted responses. OR....they will attack you as a non-believer. Such is their Pharisaical ways...always trying to be more right and righteous than others. No understanding, no knowledge...no wisdom. And that as seen as a good thing!

No love of the truth...just an empty lip-service. And WHAT a lip-service. It doesn't stop. A religious bigot MUST always drag the conversation down to a slogan fest.
:rolleyes:
 
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Can YOU tell me what is wrong with what the Pope sas in this video?

He is promoting DIALOGUE and PEACE between the world's religions.
He ins NOT endorsing Islam or Buddhism or anything else.

Let me know when you "find" it . . .
Yeah right . That is not what he is saying . You just dont want to see it .
He said they are many believers in the world , NOPE , the only true believers are those in Christ .
HE is implying that the other religoins are finding God in their own way . WELL HE actually SAYS that .
The message then goes on to show how they all say GOD is love . IT implies that buddist , mulslims , whateverists
are serving the same GOD we do if they all believe in love . GOD is love was the manta of them all .
YES GOD IS LOVE , but buddists know NOT GOD peroid . Heck i was pagan to the core and could still
do the requirements of treating others good , doing good unto others . BUT my dead faith could not save me .
IT WAS NOT IN JESUS CHRIST , thus it was no true faith . You do realize that JESUS told jews who did not beleive
BELIEVE on HIM they were of their father the devil . YOU THINK GOD gonna give the other religions a break
when he didnt even give the jews one . Pope francis is super slick . Sure the man smiles a lot
and even can say some truths . BUT HE is a liar . HE comes as a lamb but speaks like a dragon .
HE aint alone either . I aint just picking on him . HE does have the largest following . But he aint alone .
Many in the protestant realm do the same ol junk he doing . They in together , thick as thieves in a lie
of a false love that came not from GOD and cannot save them .
A lot of folks are gonna wail on the day of Christ . Crying but LORD didnt we do many good works
in your name and in your name did we not cast out many demons .
YEAH BUT YOU DENIED HIM . YE said Muslims , buddists and others were saved in their own religion .
THEY KICKED THE CORNERSTONE , the rock of offence , OUT
and put in this diverse many path false love cornerstone . THEIR foundation was NOT founded upon CHRIST
or the apostels . It was founded upon the lie , the lie that cannot save for it pointed not to the ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE .
Enough with the lies of men . And ps , i dont care WHY he does as he does ,
GOD aint well pleased with men trying to obtain world peace by preaching a lie that cannot save .
We dont burn incense or hold onto statues of strange gods , FOR ANY reason .
But then that is man . Always trying to figure out a way to obtain peace and safety . IT wont bode well
on the day of Christ . Better repent and preach BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST , Have faith in HIM ,
cause even cornelious who , I KNOW DID MUCH GOOD , still had to hear the gospel and believe to be saved .
PETER told him the very gospel that does save . As i said , this all inclusive diverse paths and ways to GOD
OMITS what CHRIST and the apostels themselves taught .
You all say peter was your pope . RATHER ODD you sure dont seem to follow HIM or the CHRIST HE PREACHED .
 
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In post #4685.
Sola scripta simply means if it contradicts the holy scrips we dont follow it .
I agree with that version of it . Sure i know GOD still works through man . But any and all men
even an angel or a speaking donkey , IF it speaketh and contradicts the HOLY scrips , YEAH it wont be heeded .
As far as being saved by faith alone . Well james nor paul contradicted each other .
IT IS our FAITH IN CHRIST that does save us , james simply reminds us
if our faith has not good works , YEAH we FOOLED our selves .
Like JESUS taught . IF one is a hearer ONLY , YEP they done deceived themselves .
As far as the sixty and six books . YEAH I agree with that . I read the others . I see why
even the RCC counted them as secondary . At least they were smart enough to do that .
But yeah , i read them . Sure they contain truths . but i also see mens wisdom mixed into them .
Its not the same as when i read the other sixty and six books .
 
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@amigo de christo is correct in what he says. It’s the message that he continually posts, that believing in the biblical Lord Jesus is the only way to be saved and have eternal life, is what you have a problem with. Not the spelling and grammar of his posts.

@amigo de christo has actually studied the English language, right back to its origins of runic old English, through to middle English and up to modern English. This was to prove to those that dispute the accuracy of the KJV Bible that it is indeed extremely accurate and he has researched the facts to back this up.

The Lord’s return draws nigh. Let’s all open our bibles and keep reading them. Praise the glorious Lord Jesus.
Just ignore epi . He cant see its HE who points to self and that i point to CHRIST ALONE .
 

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Yeah right . That is not what he is saying . You just dont want to see it .
He said they are many believers in the world , NOPE , the only true believers are those in Christ .
HE is implying that the other religoins are finding God in their own way . WELL HE actually SAYS that .
The message then goes on to show how they all say GOD is love . IT implies that buddist , mulslims , whateverists
are serving the same GOD we do if they all believe in love . GOD is love was the manta of them all .
YES GOD IS LOVE , but buddists know NOT GOD peroid . Heck i was pagan to the core and could still
do the requirements of treating others good , doing good unto others . BUT my dead faith could not save me .
IT WAS NOT IN JESUS CHRIST , thus it was no true faith . You do realize that JESUS told jews who did not beleive
BELIEVE on HIM they were of their father the devil . YOU THINK GOD gonna give the other religions a break
when he didnt even give the jews one . Pope francis is super slick . Sure the man smiles a lot
and even can say some truths . BUT HE is a liar . HE comes as a lamb but speaks like a dragon .
HE aint alone either . I aint just picking on him . HE does have the largest following . But he aint alone .
Many in the protestant realm do the same ol junk he doing . They in together , thick as thieves in a lie
of a false love that came not from GOD and cannot save them .
A lot of folks are gonna wail on the day of Christ . Crying but LORD didnt we do many good works
in your name and in your name did we not cast out many demons .
YEAH BUT YOU DENIED HIM . YE said Muslims , buddists and others were saved in their own religion .
THEY KICKED THE CORNERSTONE , the rock of offence , OUT
and put in this diverse many path false love cornerstone . THEIR foundation was NOT founded upon CHRIST
or the apostels . It was founded upon the lie , the lie that cannot save for it pointed not to the ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE .
Enough with the lies of men . And ps , i dont care WHY he does as he does ,
GOD aint well pleased with men trying to obtain world peace by preaching a lie that cannot save .
We dont burn incense or hold onto statues of strange gods , FOR ANY reason .
But then that is man . Always trying to figure out a way to obtain peace and safety . IT wont bode well
on the day of Christ . Better repent and preach BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST , Have faith in HIM ,
cause even cornelious who , I KNOW DID MUCH GOOD , still had to hear the gospel and believe to be saved .
PETER told him the very gospel that does save . As i said , this all inclusive diverse paths and ways to GOD
OMITS what CHRIST and the apostels themselves taught .
You all say peter was your pope . RATHER ODD you sure dont seem to follow HIM or the CHRIST HE PREACHED .
No - he's offering an olive branch of peace and understanding.
Jesus NEVER said to condemn or hate your neighbor for his beliefes - bit to LOVE your neighbor.

In this regard, the Pope is doing the Lord's will - whereas, YOU are disobeting Him.
Good luck with that . . .
 

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No - he's offering an olive branch of peace and understanding.
Jesus NEVER said to condemn or hate your neighbor for his beliefes - bit to LOVE your neighbor.

In this regard, the Pope is doing the Lord's will - whereas, YOU are disobeting Him.
Good luck with that . . .
Blessings BreadOfLife. So, out of curiosity, would you say God can be found in the Koran? Would you say that God inspired this book or some one else?
 
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No - he's offering an olive branch of peace and understanding.
Jesus NEVER said to condemn or hate your neighbor for his beliefes - bit to LOVE your neighbor.
Christ also called certain religionists children of the devil. To love Muslims is to tell them that the Koran is a TOTAL LIE. Only the Bible is the truth of God and only Christ can save them from Hell.
 

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Blessings BreadOfLife. So, out of curiosity, would you say God can be found in the Koran? Would you say that God inspired this book or some one else?
Blessings GWT27. Out of curiosity, would you say it's better for radical Muslims to keep killing Christians (to get that Armageddon train a rollin' )?? or would it be better to seek meaningful dialogue with Muslim leaders who are willing to find ways to end the senseless violence???
Pope Francis didn't choose the name "Francis" because it looks cute and fashionable.

Eight centuries ago, St. Francis of Assisi took a risk when he crossed the battlefield between Crusader and Muslim forces near Damietta, Egypt, desiring to meet Sultan al-Malik al-Kamil and preach his faith in Jesus Christ.

At the time – 1219 – Christian forces were in the midst of the Fifth Crusade, which was eventually repelled by the sultan’s superior army near the town that was a centre of trade and commerce on the Nile River where it flows into the Mediterranean Sea.

The future saint readily put his life on the line so he could witness his faith to the famed Muslim sultan, and in doing so both men came away with a new respect for the faith of the other, Franciscan Rev. Michael Calabria told a Nov. 7 conference at The Catholic University of America in Washington.

Early retellings of the meeting describe al-Kamil as willingly listening to St. Francis as he preached and being a gracious host, said Father Calabria, director of the Center for Arab and Islamic Studies at St. Bonaventure University in New York.

The future saint witnessed peacefully and his subsequent writings reveal the meeting had a profound impact on his life, the priest told participants in the event titled The Sultan and the Saint: The Spiritual Journey of Transformative Encounter.

While the sultan did not relinquish his Islamic faith, he asked his Italian visitor to pray for him so that he would follow God more closely, Father Calabria said.

The future saint witnessed peacefully and his subsequent writings reveal the meeting had a profound impact on his life, the priest told participants in the event titled The Sultan and the Saint: The Spiritual Journey of Transformative Encounter.

While the sultan did not relinquish his Islamic faith, he asked his Italian visitor to pray for him so that he would follow God more closely, Father Calabria said.

In setting the scene for such an unlikely meeting, Lev Weitz, associate professor of history and director of Islamic world studies at The Catholic University of America, described how St. Francis would not have been much of an anomaly to al-Kamil, an educated man who appreciated cultural exchanges.

Damietta was not a city isolated from the world. As a major port, merchants from Africa, Asia and Europe – the Italian city-states in particular – passed through continuously, Weitz said. That means Latin-rite Catholics from Europe would hardly be an unusual site among the majority Muslim population.

In setting the scene for such an unlikely meeting, Lev Weitz, associate professor of history and director of Islamic world studies at The Catholic University of America, described how St. Francis would not have been much of an anomaly to al-Kamil, an educated man who appreciated cultural exchanges.

Damietta was not a city isolated from the world. As a major port, merchants from Africa, Asia and Europe – the Italian city-states in particular – passed through continuously, Weitz said. That means Latin-rite Catholics from Europe would hardly be an unusual site among the majority Muslim population.

Undertaking such an encounter, it’s unlikely St. Francis could have predicted his visit “would have been so inspirational to the people of today,” said Imam Mohamed Bashar Arafat, president of the Civilizations Exchange and Cooperation Foundation, in Columbia, Maryland.

“To me St. Francis’ mission was a sacred mission for every Muslim, every Christian, every human being, religious or nonreligious. It is a story of reaching out to the other for the sake of peace, reconciliation and harmony,” Arafat told the conference.

St. Francis’ example is an invitation to people today to leave their “comfort zone and accept the challenges” presented in life, to move beyond hatred and violence to achieve peace, he said.

Likewise, the custos of the Holy Land, Franciscan Rev. Francesco Patton, told the conference St. Francis’ meeting with the sultan was “so important and significant for him and for us that in his writings after 1220 we find everywhere echoes and traces of the journey.”

He pointed to how Francis reminds the faithful that “(we are) not to make quarrels or disputes, to be subjects and subject to every human creature for the love of God, confessing to be Christians.”

In addition, he said, “we must be at the service of all for the love of God and it is essential to have a very clear Christian identity.”

With such practices in mind, the Custody of the Holy Land that Father Patton oversees, continues ongoing collaboration through schools in which thousands of Christian and Muslim children are enrolled, cooperative programs for peace and service to migrants and refugees. Father Patton said such endeavors keep alive the memory of the historic encounter of cultures.

“The meeting at Damietta reminds us of how barren both the use of violence and how illusory is victory obtained by force, how fragile is any peace obtained with the defeat of the enemy,” the custos said.

Pope Francis has repeatedly recalled the meeting himself. The dialogue that emerged between a poor Christian and a Muslim leader can serve as an example of the fraternity of humanity, Archbishop Christophe Pierre, papal nuncio to the United States, told participants.

St. Francis went across the war zone in an attempt to encounter the other, he said,
and Pope Francis invites the faithful to encounter others unlike them in the same spirit.


“We know the history, but we have a tendency to forget about that,” he said. “Francis came not as an ideologue, but as a missionary with a message of peace.

“He did not try to force the sultan to believe, rather his approach was to propose Jesus. The church must recognize that the faith can only be proposed. It can never be imposed.

Similarly, Archbishop Pierre continued, Pope Francis has emulated the saint in stressing the fraternity of the human family throughout his papacy in the documents he has promulgated and the interreligious outreach he has undertaken.

In particular, Pope Francis’ meeting with Sheikh Ahmed el-Tayeb, the grand imam of al-Azhar, in the United Arab Emirates in February was noteworthy for the declaration both men signed to promote human fraternity and respect, he said.

“He sees human fraternity as a path for peace and mutual understanding in our world, a true force for good.”

 
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