How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Eternally Grateful]

You have to know what I’m speaking of- when he began circumcising hearts?

Did he not circumcise Abrahams hearts? When he reckoned him as righteous based on his faith?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Just because truth is present doesn’t always mean it’s comprehensible?

where in the OT did it say messiah would die for the in of the world?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This only began at Pentecost. It’s unique to all of scripture

It happened long before pentecost my friend..

The only thing that started at pentecost is the spirit was given to everyone.. as well as his gifting.;.

 

[Waiting on him]

Did he not circumcise Abrahams hearts? When he reckoned him as righteous based on his faith?

Absolutely not.

He told him he would circumcise him. So what did abram do,,,,, he cut the skin off his Petis.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As you stated, wasn’t comprehensive till———-

it was not comprehended that Christ would be the one to pay for the sins. They just understood God would send a savior.. The OT called him the suffering servant

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Absolutely not.

He told him he would circumcise him. So what did abram do,,,,, he cut the spin off his Petis.

He commanded Abraham be physically circumcised as the sign of the covenant between him and his children..

But when he was reckoned as rightious. His heart was spiritually circumcised

 

[Waiting on him]

He commanded Abraham be physically circumcised as the sign of the covenant between him and his children..

But when he was reckoned as rightious. His heart was spiritually circumcised

I don’t think so. He showed Abram what was to come. Abram took it into his own hands. This was their flesh, a carnal understanding from an vailed heart.

 

[Waiting on him]

Let’s try again.

John 1:18 KJV
[18] No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
I truly believe this.

 

[Waiting on him]

There had to have been a staggering number of new norms that died from infection.

 

[Waiting on him]

John 1:17 KJV
[17] For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

 

[marks]

how do you know that you’ve not just found a good coping mechanism?

I've found a Person, or more to the point, He found me. He is so much more than a means to cope. He gives life and hope and healing and love. He shares with us Himself, and the others who are in Him, and when we fellowship with those who know Him there is connection, because of the Spirit Who is in us.

It's a real thing, and you can tell the difference.

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

Till this very day the book of Moses is read and that same vail remains. Circumcising petises availeth nothing.

 

[Waiting on him]

I've found a Person, or more to the point, He found me. He is so much more than a means to cope. He gives life and hope and healing and love. He shares with us Himself, and the others who are in Him, and when we fellowship with those who know Him there is connection, because of the Spirit Who is in us.

It's a real thing, and you can tell the difference.

Much love!

Okay, great!

 

[Waiting on him]

He commanded Abraham be physically circumcised as the sign of the covenant between him and his children..

But when he was reckoned as rightious. His heart was spiritually circumcised

As penned by an uncircumcised heart.

 

[Waiting on him]

Jesus and the prophets tried to correct this, but Cain rose up and killed them.

 

[Johann]

Do you believe there was any light prior to Jesus?

Your question doesn't make sense-since Messiah-to you is a "created being"
Gen_1:3 And Elohim said, Let there be light: and there was light [Tehillim 33:6,9].

Gen_1:4 And Elohim saw the light, that it was tov (good); and Elohim divided the ohr (light) from the choshech (darkness).

Gen_1:5 And Elohim called the light Yom (Day), and the darkness He called Lailah (Night). And the erev (evening) and the boker (morning) were Yom Echad (Day One, the First Day, Mk 16:2).

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The Preeminence of Christ
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

in Col_1:18; Rom_8:29; Heb_1:6; Heb_12:23; Rev_1:5. Paul is here refuting the Gnostics who pictured Christ as one of the aeons by placing him before “all creation” (angels and men). Like eikōn we find prōtotokos in the Alexandrian vocabulary of the Logos teaching (Philo) as well as in the lxx. Paul takes both words to help express the deity of Jesus Christ in his relation to the Father as eikōn (Image) and to the universe as prōtotokos (First-born).
Robertson
The first born of every creature (πρωτότοκος πασῆς κτίσεως)
Rev., the first-born of all creation. For first-born, see on Rev_1:5; for creation, see on 2Co_5:17. As image points to revelation, so first-born points to eternal preexistence.

Even the Rev. is a little ambiguous, for we must carefully avoid any suggestion that Christ was the first of created things, which is contradicted by the following words: in Him were all things created. The true sense is, born before the creation. Compare before all things, Col_1:17. This fact of priority implies sovereignty. He is exalted above all thrones, etc., and all things are unto (εἰς) Him, as they are elsewhere declared to be unto God. Compare Psa_89:27; Heb_1:2.

(Col_1:16-17) in a position so utterly subordinate to Him that He cannot be a creature in the sense in which they are creatures; and (γ) that this suggests that the apostle did not intend to represent Him as in any sense κτίσις, but as prior to, and therefore superior to, πᾶσα κτίσις.

Yet here you misrepresent Christ Jesus as a created being--

Transliteration: prōtotokos
Morphology: Adj-NMS--Adjective
Adjective - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's no.: G4416 (πρωτότοκος)
Meaning: First-born, eldest.
prōtos
pro'-tos
Contracted superlative of G4253; foremost (in time, place, order or importance): - before, beginning, best, chief (-est), first (of all), former.

Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach is the demut (BERESHIS 1:26-27; Pp 2:6) of the invisible G-d, the Bechor [TEHILLIM 89:27], the Yoresh (Heir) of kol hanivrah (all creation),

who is the likeness of the invisible Elohim, the first-born of all creation.b Footnote: b Heb_1:6, Rev_3:14.
Firstborn. See Rom_1:23; Rom_8:20.


The English version seems to make Christ a creature. Translate [ proototokos (G4416) pasees (G3956) ktiseoos (G2937)], 'Begotten before every creature,' as the context gives the reason why He is so designated: 'For,' etc. (Trench), Col_1:16-17, "He is before all things." Thus, pasa (G3956) ktisis (G2937) has not to be taken 'the first-begotten of all creatures,' but in its strict sense, 'before every creature.'[PRE_EMINENCE] "First-begotten" marks at once His eternal priority and His condescending to brotherhood with us (Rom_8:29). "Only-begotten" marks His relation to the Father by generation from everlasting. This expression is used by Origen (so far is the Greek from favouring Arian views) to mark Christ's Godhead, in contrast with His manhood, (B. 2:, contra Cels.) Since He was before "every creature" [the genitive of the point of view, 'in comparison to' far or long before: Joh_1:15; Joh_1:30, protosmou; Joh_15:18, etc.], He cannot be a creature Himself, but the Creator. The Greek is against Alford's translation, 'the first-born of all creation.'

Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Mic 5:3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

How can the Creator be "created?"

 

[marks]

So does this mean when you sin you are again separated?

Our reconciliation to God is not based on our obedience/disobedience, it's based on Jesus Christ's act of obedience. So no, if I commit sin, that does not separate me from God, I don't become again spiritually dead, requiring a new rebirth.

We aren't reborn because we did something right, and we don't become unreborn because we did something wrong.

Coming to know the reality of this truth is what has conquered and does conquer sin within me, that is, in my flesh. Even in my weakest moments, still He does not reject me, still He loves me, and leads me out from the corruption.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don’t think so. He showed Abram what was to come. Abram took it into his own hands. This was their flesh, a carnal understanding from an vailed heart.

where do you get this from?

The bible does not state this

The bible states abraham believed God and it was accounted or reckoned to him as righteousness.

Then it told him to be circumcised, him and his offspring as a sign..

Gen 15: 6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

Gen 17: 9 And God said to Abraham: “As for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations. 10 This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised; 11 and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you. 12 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant. 13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Till this very day the book of Moses is read and that same vail remains. Circumcising petises availeth nothing.

of course not. It was given as a sign to the nation of Israel..

It was never given to help save anyone..

 

[Lizbeth]

I believe Gods creation began with Jesus in the first century.

So far you have had nothing to say that actually profits the hearer. Just a lot of toying with people to bait and provoke.

Do you know that Jesus when He walked the earth "was heard in that He feared " the Lord? And that Esther found favour and survived her meeting with the King only because she gave him his due fear? And that the one who God esteems is the one who trembles at His word? You better check to make sure you are serving the right God.