How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[amigo de christo]

--and a lone ranger to boot-no accountability.
Listen brother, as I read others testimonies I am falling far short- and have never "experienced" anything heavenly, or "hear" the kol/voice of the Holy Spirit-let alone Him co-witnessing with my spirit.

Lately I hear of second blessings-and that is what Wesley taught which is NOT in line with Scriptures.
What does it make me-UN-born?

The just shall live by faith, not experiences.
My 2 cents, for what it's worth.

Shalom.
J.

The dire and grave importance is that we cling to Christ my friend .
He does co witness with our spirit . Often many false ones can have experiences
as can the true ones . However what it is dire important is to examine their doctrine .
New agers can have revelations , but it aint coming from GOD
many can have experiences that are not coming from GOD .
Ye wont know them by their experiences , rather by what they speak and what they do .
IF EITHER what they speak or do contradicts CHRIST JESUS , HIS DOCTRINE , then beware it like the plague .
False prophets sure can do miracles , signs and wonders , but that alone does not make them true .
Paul had revelations , And paul also spoke great truth and lived with the mindset he was gonna
point all to CHRIST JESUS .
Live by faith my friend . Believe what is written and recorded for us in the bible .
GOD will reveal to us as we have need .

 

[amigo de christo]

Do you ever read yourself? This is the face of hypocrisy. I've tried for years to see you as sincere, but I just cannot any longer. That flies in the face of every thread you post.

Truly sad!

Much love, and I still hope for you to come to know Him!

My friend he calls me crow and other things . OF course most think i probably am .
SO let me rephrase this . He calls others crows and other insults .
I probably should not have used myself due to many see me as in error or wrong on things .
SO lets use , lizbeth for example that might help you to understand .
Did you see how he went after her . Accused her of doing all the things HE himself does .
YET she pointed to CHRIST and HE to oneself .

 

[amigo de christo]

No matter how low someone else goes, we should always remain on the high road. I've watched @Episkopos do that before with people, needle them until they say something off, then pouncing on their misstep. So we need to not let ourselves be provoked.

Christian love is when we in our hearts want to do and be the best we can for others, to care for their needs. Regardless of how they may treat you.

Our example is Jesus, Who sincerely desired forgiveness for those who mocked Him, as they murdered Him, because He loved them. Allowing them to murder Him so that He could bring salvation to even them. We should do no less.

Much love!

The high road would also include rebuking too .
That man is a grave danger and how i tried to warn us of him .
But as i said earlier in the above written statement , most probably see me as an evil doer themselves
or at the very least as in error .
Yet i will say this , this man stayed in the bible and refused to budge from it .
By grace i did all to point folks to that JESUS .

 

[GTW27]

The high road would also include rebuking too .
That man is a grave danger and how i tried to warn us of him .
But as i said earlier in the above written statement , most probably see me as an evil doer themselves
or at the very least as in error .
Yet i will say this , this man stayed in the bible and refused to budge from it .
By grace i did all to point folks to that JESUS .

And The Lord had me put those words, His words, on your homepage. So, it matters not, what people think, only what He thinks of us.

 

[amigo de christo]

And The Lord had me put those words, His words, on your homepage. So, it matters not, what people think, only what He thinks of us.

Very true my friend . Thanks for the LOVELY reminder .

 

[Johann]

No matter how low someone else goes, we should always remain on the high road. I've watched @Episkopos do that before with people, needle them until they say something off, then pouncing on their misstep. So we need to not let ourselves be provoked.

Christian love is when we in our hearts want to do and be the best we can for others, to care for their needs. Regardless of how they may treat you.

Our example is Jesus, Who sincerely desired forgiveness for those who mocked Him, as they murdered Him, because He loved them. Allowing them to murder Him so that He could bring salvation to even them. We should do no less.

Much love!

Don't return fire.. The mental disorder comment is not helping.. when we do as they do.. it looks bad

OK, deleted my comment.

 

[ChristisGod]

No matter how low someone else goes, we should always remain on the high road. I've watched @Episkopos do that before with people, needle them until they say something off, then pouncing on their misstep. So we need to not let ourselves be provoked.

Christian love is when we in our hearts want to do and be the best we can for others, to care for their needs. Regardless of how they may treat you.

Our example is Jesus, Who sincerely desired forgiveness for those who mocked Him, as they murdered Him, because He loved them. Allowing them to murder Him so that He could bring salvation to even them. We should do no less.

Much love!

Yes it’s a game for you know who to say gotcha just like the enemy goal is to try and get us to stumble. I’ve been down that road on another forum with Calvinists who had a free pass to attack others and when it was given back the non Calvinist would get banned and they would all give each other high 5’s.

 

[Waiting on him]

Explain this-

It’s pretty easy to explain, Jesus knew that many were about to be called out of Judaism, and this would cause them to be hunted. Without the Spirit of God in their flesh as a born from above Christian, Jesus knew it would be impossible for them not to turn back to their previous practices.

Kinda like a clean pig returning to wallowing in the mud. This has nothing to do with me the way I see it, unless it’s in reference too me leaving todays religious elite.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Apples and oranges sister. I used an illustration to make a point for your sake, to try and help you see the point, and only added the "lol" to soften it for your sake, for the very reason that I DIDN'T want you to receive it as an insult or accusation. Epi INTENDED to accuse and insult -and they were on such a level that it would be right to report them.

If you or anyone else can't see how Episkopos' comments were inappropriate and way out of line for a purported follower of Christ, who supposedly preaches holiness to boot, then something is wrong.

It wasn’t the digging and ending up on the other side of the world that bothered me, as much as your asserting this is vanity and the suggesting: what spirit do you think it is of?
Hopefully it was intended to help me. But to me, it was received as criticizing and mocking what I’ve shared of the Spirit helping me. See, you say no none of this has come from Him but is of another spirit.

I assume you take it the same way when epi says anything about what you’ve shared as coming from His Spirit. So apples and oranges?

It remains to be seen what is being encouraged.

 

[Waiting on him]

It wasn’t the digging and ending up on the other side of the world that bothered me, as much as your asserting this is vanity and the suggesting: what spirit do you think it is of?
Hopefully it was intended to help me. But to me, it was received as criticizing and mocking what I’ve shared of the Spirit helping me. See, you say no none of this has come from Him but is of another spirit.

I assume you take it the same way when epi says anything about what you’ve shared as coming from His Spirit. So apples and oranges?

It remains to be seen what is being encouraged.

a more practical thin for her too have post would be

This is not of His Spirit based on what men have told her the narrative is.

 

[Waiting on him]

he is a lone ranger-which makes him doubly dangerous, and this kind of behavior would not be tolerated in any Church.

You’d be amazed how liberating it is to have no critics to please. Paul fully understood!

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes it’s a game for you know who to say gotcha just like the enemy goal is to try and get us to stumble. I’ve been down that road on another forum with Calvinists who had a free pass to attack others and when it was given back the non Calvinist would get banned and they would all give each other high 5’s.

Its why i worry not one ounce what to say . Its true i am quite direct and this wont change either .
IF i see falsehoods i will expose them . If i see error i am gonna expose error . if i see false ones WHO I KNOW
are false , i am gonna expose them . On that i cannot and i must not change .
But , take a peek at how often i get called this or that and most often overlook it .
Without name calling as is done to me . But one thing i do know and that is this .
IF we make the mistake of thinking love means we dont expose the lies and false ones , then we doomed
to let leaven in and it will leaven the entire place and fast too .
Love actually does correct . So now allow me these next words , and they might sound harsh
but they are true . EPI IS LOST , HE does not know CHRIST and is a danger to all to even himself .
Some might call that hating the brethren . I CALL IT LOVING THE BRETHREN .
Cause day after day after day i tried to correct Epi . BUT HE WONT LISTEN , HE WONT BUDGE .
HE is not hearing from the SPIRIT . OH he is hearing from a spirit , one that has fed his flesh so full
of self . ITS NOT a sin to call out pope francis or oprah wimphrey or others who are flat out false .
ITS A SIN NOT TOO . WHEN ONCE a man realizes through examination that one is false
DID you know its a sin to allow that one to teach or to seduce the people . Sure we cant stop them
but we can warn against their doctrine and expose them for the wolves they are . AND i will do this
and have by grace done this and by grace will continue to do this . AND it aint cause i dont love
ITS CAUSE I DO LOVE .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes it’s a game for you know who to say gotcha just like the enemy goal is to try and get us to stumble. I’ve been down that road on another forum with Calvinists who had a free pass to attack others and when it was given back the non Calvinist would get banned and they would all give each other high 5’s.

Most folks will and would call me a hater for what i say next .
But if i owned a site and folks who attacked the dire necessity to believe on Christ
were to show up . I would rebuke them . IF they heeded not i would show them THE DOOR out of said place .
Yet to most this approach is seen as wrong . . But i KNOW what even a little leaven can do . And if folks wont repent
SOMETHING is dead wrong . IF folks cannot BELIEVE IN WHAT CHRIST TAUGHT
the very fundamentals of what actually saves one . THEN WE GOT A PROBLEM and its a HUGE ONE TOO .

 

[Jim B]

It’s pretty easy to explain, Jesus knew that many were about to be called out of Judaism, and this would cause them to be hunted. Without the Spirit of God in their flesh as a born from above Christian, Jesus knew it would be impossible for them not to turn back to their previous practices.

Kinda like a clean pig returning to wallowing in the mud. This has nothing to do with me the way I see it, unless it’s in reference too me leaving todays religious elite.

But many stayed and became the first churches.

Also, it is deeply offensive to call Jews pigs, even if it's only in an analogy.

 

[ChristisGod]

Most folks will and would call me a hater for what i say next .
But if i owned a site and folks who attacked the dire necessity to believe on Christ
were to show up . I would rebuke them . IF they heeded not i would show them THE DOOR out of said place .
Yet to most this approach is seen as wrong . . But i KNOW what even a little leaven can do . And if folks wont repent
SOMETHING is dead wrong . IF folks cannot BELIEVE IN WHAT CHRIST TAUGHT
the very fundamentals of what actually saves one . THEN WE GOT A PROBLEM and its a HUGE ONE TOO .

I have a Christian forum for 9 months now and it’s for building up believers not tearing them down and I let the moderator handle the ones who cause trouble which are practically none .

 

[amigo de christo]

But many stayed and became the first churches.

Also, it is deeply offensive to call Jews pigs, even if it's only in an analogy.

Ask the question that needs to be asked . The simple question that even a child of Christ would know .
You ask him that question my friend . prepare to weep for them when you hear the answer .
Folks can say as they say and do as they do and accuse as they accuse .
But one thing i do know , GOD nor HIS CHRIST is gonna be angry at me for RELENTLESSLY telling all they MUST BELIEVE .
That i DO KNOW . i am only so sorry that many often overlook the very THING , the very TRUTH
which could have saved them and changed them . FOLKS are not preaching BELIEVE YE IN CHRIST ANYMORE .
SOME are . okay some are , but some aint . And if we are not POINTING TO CHRIST ALONE then we got a major problem
in our mindset . The gospel paul preached sure seemed to be focused on telling all TO BELIEVE ON CHRIST
my advice , OURS BETTER TOO .

 

[amigo de christo]

I have a Christian forum for 9 months now and it’s for building up believers not tearing them down and I let the moderator handle the ones who cause trouble which are practically none .

I keep meaning to come visit my friend . The lambs must contend for the true faith .

 

[Jim B]

Its why i worry not one ounce what to say . Its true i am quite direct and this wont change either .
IF i see falsehoods i will expose them . If i see error i am gonna expose error . if i see false ones WHO I KNOW
are false , i am gonna expose them . On that i cannot and i must not change .
But , take a peek at how often i get called this or that and most often overlook it .
Without name calling as is done to me . But one thing i do know and that is this .
IF we make the mistake of thinking love means we dont expose the lies and false ones , then we doomed
to let leaven in and it will leaven the entire place and fast too .
Love actually does correct . So now allow me these next words , and they might sound harsh
but they are true . EPI IS LOST , HE does not know CHRIST and is a danger to all to even himself .
Some might call that hating the brethren . I CALL IT LOVING THE BRETHREN .
Cause day after day after day i tried to correct Epi . BUT HE WONT LISTEN , HE WONT BUDGE .
HE is not hearing from the SPIRIT . OH he is hearing from a spirit , one that has fed his flesh so full
of self . ITS NOT a sin to call out pope francis or oprah wimphrey or others who are flat out false .
ITS A SIN NOT TOO . WHEN ONCE a man realizes through examination that one is false
DID you know its a sin to allow that one to teach or to seduce the people . Sure we cant stop them
but we can warn against their doctrine and expose them for the wolves they are . AND i will do this
and have by grace done this and by grace will continue to do this . AND it aint cause i dont love
ITS CAUSE I DO LOVE .

How about (for once) saying something positive and/or uplifting? Why must you always wallow in the mud?

You write "Its true i am quite direct and this wont change either. IF i see falsehoods i will expose them. If i see error i am gonna expose error"... WHY CAN'T YOU EVER WRITE ANYTHING POSITIVE? READ THIS...

1 Corinthians 13:4-5, "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs."

You write, "IF we make the mistake of thinking love means we dont expose the lies and false ones , then we doomed to let leaven in and it will leaven the entire place and fast too". WHERE IS YOUR FAITH? DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT JESUS, THE GREAT SHEPHERD OF THE SHEEP, CAN'T MANAGE WITHOUT YOUR HELP? HE IS LORD, YOU ARE NOT!

Writing this: AND i will do this and have by grace done this and by grace will continue to do this . AND it aint cause i dont love ITS CAUSE I DO LOVE" clearly shows your total lack of understanding. You think love is constantly criticizing others (and in the process making yourself seem righteous). YOU ARE CLEARLY DELUDED!

I don't know how you were raised but it certainly resulted in your not understanding what love is. It is clearly not constantly criticizing others and behaving exactly like the Pharisee in the parable in Luke 18.

You should read that parable and 1 Corinthians 13 slowly and carefully, focusing on what the Bible clearly says about self-righteousness, criticism of other, and especially LOVE.

 

[amigo de christo]

How about (for once) saying something positive and/or uplifting? Why must you always wallow in the mud?

You write "Its true i am quite direct and this wont change either. IF i see falsehoods i will expose them. If i see error i am gonna expose error"... WHY CAN'T YOU EVER WRITE ANYTHING POSITIVE? READ THIS...

1 Corinthians 13:4-5, "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs."

You write, "IF we make the mistake of thinking love means we dont expose the lies and false ones , then we doomed to let leaven in and it will leaven the entire place and fast too". WHERE IS YOUR FAITH? DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT JESUS, THE GREAT SHEPHERD OF THE SHEEP, CAN'T MANAGE WITHOUT YOUR HELP? HE IS LORD, YOU ARE NOT!

Writing this: AND i will do this and have by grace done this and by grace will continue to do this . AND it aint cause i dont love ITS CAUSE I DO LOVE" clearly shows your total lack of understanding. You think love is constantly criticizing others (and in the process making yourself seem righteous). YOU ARE CLEARLY DELUDED!

I don't know how you were raised but it certainly resulted in your not understanding what love is. It is clearly not constantly criticizing others and behaving exactly like the Pharisee in the parable in Luke 18.

You should read that parable and 1 Corinthians 13 slowly and carefully, focusing on what the Bible clearly says about self-righteousness, criticism of other, and especially LOVE.

I aint the one wallowing in the mud my friend .
I am simply trying to correct those who are and who do .

 

[Jim B]

Most folks will and would call me a hater for what i say next .
But if i owned a site and folks who attacked the dire necessity to believe on Christ
were to show up . I would rebuke them . IF they heeded not i would show them THE DOOR out of said place .
Yet to most this approach is seen as wrong . . But i KNOW what even a little leaven can do . And if folks wont repent
SOMETHING is dead wrong . IF folks cannot BELIEVE IN WHAT CHRIST TAUGHT
the very fundamentals of what actually saves one . THEN WE GOT A PROBLEM and its a HUGE ONE TOO .

You call this loving your neighbor??? Most see this approach as wrong, BECAUSE IT IS!!!

You have absolutely no idea what a little leaven can do, because by throwing in the yeast of self-righteousness you are spoiling the whole "loaf" of Christian love. And if YOU wont repent SOMETHING is dead wrong.

IF YOU CANNOT BELIEVE IN AND PRACTICE WHAT CHRIST TAUGHT: a) LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF and b) Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven, then you clearly don't understand the Lord's will.