How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Episkopos]

And when we do that, our lives are impacted, and we change. Honesty and Humility, I think of them as being near twins.

Much love!

In reality, most people never change. There is always the potential to do so. But as you should realize...any change in nature is a long-shot. Most people will defend what they already have (vigourously) against whatever they could get in exchange...right?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Honesty doesn't mean you have to agree with anybody. It means you face your own situation before God through prayer and waiting on the Lord for Him to confirm something is true or not.

Most here have no real connection to God...so they rely on carnal defense mechanisms that reside in the part of them that is meant to be crucified.

It's better to go to God. It's better to surrender to Him...and be broken in the outer man.

the problem is. "Most here" in your view is everyone who does not agree with you.

You again need to take your own medecine, And make sure your not believeing according to your carnal belief

 

[Eternally Grateful]

In reality, most people never change. There is always the potential to do so. But as you should realize...any change in nature is a long-shot. Most people will defend what they already have (vigourously) against whatever they could get in exchange...right?

Most people? where is the power of your Gospel?

Have you read the NT? Even in the OT. People who have been born again of God shows mass change..

 

[marks]

In reality, most people never change. There is always the potential to do so. But as you should realize...any change in nature is a long-shot. Most people will defend what they already have (vigourously) against whatever they could get in exchange...right?

It sound's like now we are back to the discussion on rebirth, and how we really do change. Is that your intent? How we are to reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive to God? This is the power of a new life.

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

Most people? where is the power of your Gospel?

Have you read the NT? Even in the OT. People who have been born again of God shows mass change..

He doesn’t believe or need the Bible as a so called “ prophet” his god speaks directly to him so his words become the very words of his god.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

He doesn’t believe or need the Bible as a so called “ prophet” his god speaks directly to him so his words become the very words of his god.

If I were a person who claimed to be Gods chosen and Gods speaks through me, and I could not walk int he spirit.

I would think It was Satan, not God, who was talking to me, and Satan has me right where he wants me

 

[Episkopos]

the problem is. "Most here" in your view is everyone who does not agree with you.

I am a very agreeable person. I can discern where a person is speaking from.

You again need to take your own medecine, And make sure your not believeing according to your carnal belief

I did that. I checked out over many years and in many ways....everything I presently support. When it doesn't line up with the present religious system...I double check....and triple check...until I get a solid confirmation (s) from God.

We will all be judged on what we avow and deny.

What I see here is many just following the indoctrination they received in the pews. Any questioning is seen as wrong. So obviously these have never done any real seeking of their own. It is would be seen as wrong.

 

[ChristisGod]

If I were a person who claimed to be Gods chosen and Gods speaks through me, and I could not walk int he spirit.

I would think It was Satan, not God, who was talking to me, and Satan has me right where he wants me

It’s not hard to discern the spirit of truth from the spirit of antichrist as John gives us how to tell in his epistles . The spirit of truth from the spirit of error.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I am a very agreeable person. I can discern where a person is speaking from.

Of course you can. When you are the standard.. that means everyone who disagrees with you is well.. You know

I did that. I checked out over many years and in many ways....everything I presently support. When it doesn't line up with the present religious system...I double check....and triple check...until I get a solid confirmation (s) from God.

So what is your guideline> What do you test it against?

We will all be judged on what we avow and deny.

more importantly we will be judged according to our gospel

he who believes will not be condemned, He who does not believe is already condemned

that is the standard by which God will judge everyone who ever walked the face of the earth.

What I see here is many just following the indoctrination they received in the pews. Any questioning is seen as wrong. So obviously these have never done any real seeking of their own. It is would be seen as wrong.

alot of assumptions here. You do not know anyone. or what they have done.

Just silly accusations..

 

[marks]

Most people? where is the power of your Gospel?

Have you read the NT? Even in the OT. People who have been born again of God shows mass change..

Being born again is in fact a change in nature. If we are not changed, that's a sign of not being reborn. That's why we are supposed to be paying attention to ourselves, to make certain that we are in the faith, and not just in denial.

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

Being born again is in fact a change in nature. If we are not changed, that's a sign of not being reborn. That's why we are supposed to be paying attention to ourselves, to make certain that we are in the faith, and not just in denial.

Much love!

Ditto

 

[marks]

It’s not hard to discern the spirit of truth from the spirit of antichrist as John gives us how to tell in his epistles . The spirit of truth from the spirit of error.

Especially when someone starts speaking concerning one's personal life experience. When someone gets it wrong, you know they don't speak from the Spirit, with knowledge, or discernment.

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

Especially when someone starts speaking concerning one's personal life experience. When someone gets it wrong, you know they don't speak from the Spirit, with knowledge, or discernment.

Much love!

Spot on brother

 

[Episkopos]

Being born again is in fact a change in nature.

Not exactly. Being born again changes us...but does not provide the power that eliminates the sin nature. To do that we need to enter into Christ....being crucified to our old nature...so that the nature implanted within can take over. Unless a seed falls to the ground and dies... The default system in any believer is always the sin nature. That's why each of us needs to go personally to the cross.....to be broken in the outer man.

If we are not changed, that's a sign of not being reborn.

Changed yes...but on the scale of having another different non-human nature? No. We have to be careful to not exaggerate our change. People in other cultures and religions can also change...stop smoking, drinking, cussing...start reading the bible..attend religious services...etc

What this does not do is cause us to walk as Jesus walked. For that we need an entirely different...divine.... nature.

That's why we are supposed to be paying attention to ourselves, to make certain that we are in the faith, and not just in denial.

Much love!

Well, again, if we know what the walk in Christ looks like..then we have a measuring stick to compare our present walk. Do we still sin? Do we have trouble with temptations...outbursts...passions...weird dreams at night? If so...we are still walking in our own strength.

Hope this helps!

Much love!

 

[marks]

Not exactly. Being born again changes us...but does not provide the power that eliminates the sin nature.

Start at the Beginning, Romans 6, and learn what God teaches us about being baptized into Christ. You do not seem to believe His teaching. We've referenced this many times, and you've never wanted to discuss it.

Romans 6:3-11 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin. <<<<< this is our power over sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. <<<<< This is to apprehend our power over sin.

We start, for the most part of us, anyway, as born again into a new nature, a new life, and mature into it, into Christ, in what the Bible calls the renewing of our minds, in a process we participate in as we put off the old, put on the new. As our works improve our character improves. As we increase in our faith we come to walk in His Spirit. This is the common experience of the regenerate.

And as God does, He may do in each of our lives whatever thing it is He may do, and this is personal. In whatever way God deems that we should know Him more, and become more fruitful, more spiritual.

Being born again, that is, leaving the Adamic life to be born again into Spirit life IS the power that frees us from sin, and this is so very plainly taught in the Scriptures.

Denial of this is simply lack of faith in God's Word.

Failing to understand this, to trust God that this is true, this is someone who stands at a table filled with bread but does not eat because all he sees is stones. Nothing to help him!

The reality is that we've been given in Christ, in being baptized into Christ, all that we need, exactly as the Scriptures say. Again, this is plainly taught, and denial is again, a lack of faith.

But it can be a difficult thing to accept for many, as it was for me, that we have the power to overcome, and the only impediments are unbelief, and unwillingness to let go of those things that appear to hold us. However, In Christ, we have the power to overcome all that opposes us, internal and external.

2 Peter 1:2-4 KJV
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

We can become partakers of the divine nature when we believe that Christ in me is in fact the hope of glory, and that being crucified in Christ I am in fact freed from sin, and that I am in fact alive to God, and that I am in fact reconciled to Him. And so many more!

When we believe these truths, this is our way of life. Freed from sin, alive to God, Just like the Bible teaches.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not exactly. Being born again changes us...but does not provide the power that eliminates the sin nature.

Wow, And you claim your gospel has power??

Nothing more needs said

 

[Episkopos]

Start at the Beginning, Romans 6, and learn what God teaches us about being baptized into Christ. You do not seem to believe His teaching. We've referenced this many times, and you've never wanted to discuss it.

Romans 6:3-11 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin. <<<<< this is our power over sin.

What? This is a statement of fact....whoever is dead is free from sin. This is not meant to name and claim. This isn't mind over matter. You are reading things into the verse that isn't there.

8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. <<< This is to apprehend our power over sin.


Until you are able to receive what is written I don't know what else to say to you.

Receive what is written? Or be directed to whom it is written about?

We start, for the most part of us, anyway, as born again into a new nature, a new life, and mature into it, into Christ, in what the Bible calls the renewing of our minds, in a process we participate in as we put off the old, put on the new. As our works improve our character improves. As we increase in our faith we come to walk in His Spirit. This is the common experience of the regenerate.

I disagree. That is not the common experience. The common experience is ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth.

And as God does, He may do in each of our lives whatever thing it is He may do, and this is personal. In whatever way God deems that we should know Him more, and become more fruitful, more spiritual.

Being born again, that is, leaving the Adamic life to be born again into Spirit life IS the power that frees us from sin, and this is so very plainly taught in the Scriptures.

Denial of this is simply lack of faith in God's Word.

No. Denying that we need to go to God for more grace (to be multiplied to us) is putting too much into the power of the mind to adapt oneself to a set of verses.

Failing to understand this, to trust God that this is true, this is someone who stands at a table filled with bread but does not eat because all he sees is stones. Nothing to help him!

The reality is that we've been given in Christ, in being baptized into Christ, all that we need, exactly as the Scriptures say. Again, this is plainly taught, and denial is again, a lack of faith.

But it can be a difficult thing to accept for many, as it was for me, that we have the power to overcome, and the only impediments are unbelief, and unwillingness to let go of those things that appear to hold us. However, In Christ, we have the power to overcome all that opposes us, internal and external.

2 Peter 1:2-4 KJV
2) Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

We can become partakers of the divine nature when we believe that Christ in me is in fact the hope of glory, and that being crucified in Christ I am in fact freed from sin, and that I am in fact alive to God, and that I am in fact reconciled to Him. And so many more!

When we believe these truths, this is our way of life. Freed from sin, alive to God, Just like the Bible teaches.

Much love!

The power of positive thinking...no less.

Being freed from sins goes beyond not smoking, cussing, drinking... It means to walk as Jesus walked in the light...full of joy and peace. We are weaned FROM something...not INTO something.

Read Exodus...and get the scale right.

 

[Lizbeth]

For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

1 John 4:20-21 KJV
20) If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21) And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

Much love!

It's far from the first time he has accused people falsely......no discernment, and he must be listening to lying spirits. AKA false prophet.

 

[Episkopos]

It's far from the first time he has accused people falsely......no discernment, and he must be listening to lying spirits. AKA false prophet.

Religious twaddle. :) No one here has any sense of humour. You take yourselves WAY too seriously.

And you, bible lady...could it be?.....Satan!!! ???

Always ready to religiously condemn...that shows who you are.

Preach the gospel at all times and if necessary use humour.

 

[marks]

What? This is a statement of fact....whoever is dead is free from sin. This is not meant to name and claim. This isn't mind over matter. You are reading things into the verse that isn't there.

Go back to the context.

Romans 6:3-11 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Were you baptized into Christ? This is a spiritual baptism.

4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Baptized into Christ is to be baptized into His death, that our old man is crucified with Jesus. The purpose is so that the power of the body of sin - the flesh - be nullified so that we will no longer serve sin.

How is this? Why is this?

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

It's hard to not highlight the entire passage it is so rich in meaning!

Just as Christ has died to sin once, and is alive to God, we are to count it as fact that we are also dead to sin and alive to God.

To your objection that this is not "name it and claim it", I comletely agree! You do not baptize yourself into Christ, and if you are not baptized into Christ, you have no part in Him. Again this is spiritual baptism, immersed into Jesus Christ.

I hope you can see from the passage what it says for itself.

No. Denying that we need to go to God for more grace (to be multiplied to us) is putting too much into the power of the mind to adapt oneself to a set of verses.

When the Holy Spirit is in you working to conform you to the image of Christ, and when the Bible tells us what is righteous and what is not, and when the Bible tells us to put off the old, and put on the new, why should we not expect God's power to transform us as we obey His commands?

We are to take every thought captive to obedience to Christ. Does not the Holy Spirit enable us to do that? This is why I say, it is a lack of faith. Or of unwillingness. Both of which are fleshy, and both can be overcome by the decision to trust Him. That He is truthful, and will do all that He promises.

And in saying that we are already given all we need for life and godliness, which is what God says, not me, in saying this, there is no, "I don't need to go to God to work this out in my life". In my walk with God today that seems an absurdity!! I've come to find that the mature increase in dependency on God, not the other way around.

The power of positive thinking...no less.

Being freed from sins goes beyond not smoking, cussing, drinking... It means to walk as Jesus walked in the light...full of joy and peace. We are weaned FROM something...not INTO something.

Read Exodus...and get the scale right.

No, this is not "the power of positive thinking", as if you could create a new spirit for yourself out of nothing.

Being freed from sins means being freed from flesh. If it's from flesh, it's not faith, and what is not of faith is sin. Much more than just not smoking, etc, but also not thinking in the fleshy ways. The fleshy life imprints the mind, and unless it's controlled, will always reveal itself in how we talk and act.

We do both, we put off, and put on. We take off what is fleshy, and put on what is spiritual. Put off the Adamic life, and put on the life Christ gives us. We leave the fleshy life - you are yet carnal - and enter the spiritual life - as many as be perfect, not as a name it claim it enterprise, but because we've actually been given a new life, and we are actually living in it.

Much love!