How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[ChristisGod]

So you're a papist then?

Bingo

 

[friend of]

Dispensationalism is a way to have non-spiritual people read the bible and say...that's for someone else. :)

I don't see how. Dispensationalism is just a system that describes how God Yahweh interacted with His people and brought them to salvation throughout the course of life on earth. God must have saved people in the old testament but He did so without the Gospel at that time. Now we are in the gospel or church age. Humanity was under that dispensation until Christ came in the flesh.

 

[ChristisGod]

I don't see how. Dispensationalism is just a system that describes how God Yahweh interacted with His people and brought them to salvation throughout the course of life on earth. God must have saved people in the old testament but He did so without the Gospel at that time. Now we are in the gospel or church age. Humanity was under that dispensation until Christ came in the flesh.

He doesn’t realize the Old Testament and the New Testament are two different dispensations

 

[Episkopos]

So you're a papist then?

No I teach the doctrine of Christ....which differs greatly from "reformed theology."

People who have been spoiled by an anemic doctrine that covers up the flesh are unable to hear a sound apostolic doctrine.

Are you a Calvinist?

 

[ChristisGod]

No I teach the doctrine of Christ....which differs greatly from "reformed theology."

People who have been spoiled by an anemic doctrine that covers up the flesh are unable to hear a sound apostolic doctrine.

Are you a Calvinist?

Define reformed theology for us and how it’s different from the apostles teachings and the teachings of Jesus .

I’m calling your bluff as you have no ideas the differences

 

[Episkopos]

I don't see how. Dispensationalism is just a system that describes how God Yahweh interacted with His people and brought them to salvation throughout the course of life on earth. God must have saved people in the old testament but He did so without the Gospel at that time. Now we are in the gospel or church age. Humanity was under that dispensation until Christ came in the flesh.

Sort of. But the human mind can't fathom the ways of God. So you can't make it so cut and dried.

Heb. 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Very few here have any depth of understanding concerning the race of faith. We are in a race that is exactly equivalent to the Israelites in Exodus. Are you also indoctrinated in the ways of the modern gospel that refutes this?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Dispensationalism is just a system

With silly cartoon graphs…

It’s nonsense.

Once Saved Always Saved and
Pre-tribulation rapture…

Are among its bastard doctrinal children.

 

[Episkopos]

The alternative is to keep the laity from reading the bible at all.

I prefer that Christians have the bible and be mistaken from time to time, than never be able to read and hear the bible unless clergy says so. That is surely the lesser of two evils.

I think so too. But there is a great danger in opening up the bible to be interpreted by carnal religious interests.

I think the Catholics were saying...let us clergy be the hypocrites for you. But with the reformation came...as well as a few who benefited greatly...what became a Pharisee factory with each person justifying himself for his beliefs.

 

[ChristisGod]

Sort of. But the human mind can't fathom the ways of God. So you can't make it so cut and dried.

Heb. 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Very few here have any depth of understanding concerning the race of faith. We are in a race that is exactly equivalent to the Israelites in Exodus. Are you also indoctrinated in the ways of the modern gospel that refutes this?

You don’t even believe the gospel since you deny it’s most important and central Apostolic teaching - the bodily Resurrection of Christ . Who are you trying to fool now ? In fact every time you are asked to define the gospel you run away from the question disobeying the Apostle Peters command in 1 Peter 3:15.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Johann]

Sort of. But the human mind can't fathom the ways of God. So you can't make it so cut and dried.

Heb. 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Very few here have any depth of understanding concerning the race of faith. We are in a race that is exactly equivalent to the Israelites in Exodus. Are you also indoctrinated in the ways of the modern gospel that refutes this?

Very few here have any depth of understanding concerning the race of faith. We are in a race that is exactly equivalent to the Israelites in Exodus. Are you also indoctrinated in the ways of the modern gospel that refutes this?

-race of faith-equivalent to the Israelites in Exodus-care to elaborate?

 

[Johann]

Dispensationalism is a way to have non-spiritual people read the bible and say...that's for someone else.

You have made a lot of statement that the letters of Paul-the ye, you-is not applicable to US-but for THEM--same as you are in denial of the necessity of the new birth-but contradict yourself in that it is Imperative to be born of the Spirit--when it is the SAME in Koine Greek-

Personal pronoun Person: second [you+]
Accusative (direct object; motion toward; time: "how long")
Number: Plural

What would you say is the above speaking of-and to whom?

 

[Johann]

Define reformed theology for us and how it’s different from the apostles teachings and the teachings of Jesus .

I’m calling your bluff as you have no ideas the differences

There are excellent teachings in reformed theology and I won't write it off.
A body of doctrinal divinity by Gill is excellent-The cause of God and practical divinity.
Does it make me a Calvinist?-No

John Gill was the first major writing Baptist theologian, his work retaining influence into the 21st century. Gill's relationship with hyper-Calvinism in English Baptist life is a matter of debate. Peter Toon has argued that Gill was himself a hyper-Calvinist, which would make Gill the father of Baptist hyper-Calvinism. However, Tom Nettles and Timothy George have argued that Gill was not a hyper-Calvinist.[3][4][5] Gill's works are still highly regarded by Primitive Baptists and related groups.

I know sparks are going to fly-but I read everything.

 

[ChristisGod]

There are excellent teachings in reformed theology and I won't write it off.
A body of doctrinal divinity by Gill is excellent-The cause of God and practical divinity.

I don’t think epi has any clue .

 

[Enoch111]

There are excellent teachings in reformed theology and I won't write it off.

It is rather unfortunate that Reformed Theology adopted Five Point Calvinism (which is a false gospel). They have many other teachings which are biblical, but one must be totally consistent and that is not the case. CHRIST DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD and to deny that is heresy.

 

[Johann]

It is rather unfortunate that Reformed Theology adopted Five Point Calvinism (which is a false gospel). They have many other teachings which are biblical, but one must be totally consistent and that is not the case. CHRIST DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD and to deny that is heresy.

--same here, on this platform, do you see teachings that are consistent?

Problem again--you took a snippet from my post-I said I am NOT a Calvinist and I'm not here to debate Armenian theology either.

Christ died for the sins of the whole world-but not the whole world will be saved.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I have just finished all the documentaries about Warren Jeffs I could find....Netflix/ Peacock.

This one follows the FLDS cultic propaganda. Zion, higher walk, twisting of scriptures, gathering up silly women & ignorant men to follow his cultish doctrine.

Man O man it slapped me btwn the eyes how similar to Warren Jeffs this OP's bull is......

He brainwashed them into believing he was their atonement & they would be gods if they were chosen & qualified.

Sexual abuse of children, women's sexual orgies, child labour...ect ect. How far does this one carry brainwashing of followers IRL.??????


May God guard the hearts of those WHOM ARE TRULY TRUTH SEEKERS, & THE UNWILLING BLIND amongst this forum.

That is Mormonism..

Yes Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints. It's only considered an " infraction " among Mormonism.

Hi I'm an actual member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints here, nicknamed "Mormon".
Warren Jeffs is NOT a member of my church. He's a satanic monster. The end. Christ's church does not permit abuse or so many of the horrendous crimes Jeffs goes with. It's not an "infraction", rather a sin so grievous to you being completely dead to sin, excommunicated, and your baptism being literally voided.

 

[Enoch111]

Problem again--you took a snippet from my post-I said I am NOT a Calvinist and I'm not here to debate Armenian theology either.

I assumed you were not a Calvinist. And the snippet about Reformed Theology was all I wanted to focus on. So we both are on the same page.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The alternative is to keep the laity from reading the bible at all.

I prefer that Christians have the bible and be mistaken from time to time, than never be able to read and hear the bible unless clergy says so. That is surely the lesser of two evils.

Amen

How else can we study to shew ourself approved. A workman who needs not be ashamed RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of truth

Or How else can we test each spirit to see if it is from God

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be COMPLETE, THOROUGHLY equipped fro every work.

People do not want us to use the Bible because it will expose who they are.. Take their control away..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I think so too. But there is a great danger in opening up the bible to be interpreted by carnal religious interests.

I think the Catholics were saying...let us clergy be the hypocrites for you. But with the reformation came...as well as a few who benefited greatly...what became a Pharisee factory with each person justifying himself for his beliefs.

And here we go.

Keep the Bible away from the people. They might figure out who I am.. for I am not catholic. I am not reformed. I am not a protestant. I am my own religion. I am a prophet sent from God.. blah blah blah..

As an admitted not catholic he himself is a protestant by defenition, Yet he always attacks Protestants.
By his works based Gospel. And puffing himself up. He is a modern day pharisee, yet he called people who trust in Christ alone as being pharisees.

It just goes on and on and on

 

[Episkopos]

And here we go.

Keep the Bible away from the people. They might figure out who I am.. for I am not catholic. I am not reformed. I am not a protestant. I am my own religion. I am a prophet sent from God.. blah blah blah..

As an admitted not catholic he himself is a protestant by defenition, Yet he always attacks Protestants.
By his works based Gospel. And puffing himself up. He is a modern day pharisee, yet he called people who trust in Christ alone as being pharisees.

It just goes on and on and on

The way the carnal religious mind turns...

I am a follower of Christ...the real Christ..not some man-made religious version of Him.

I'm wasting my time explaining this to you...but

Try to consider that the early church had only the OT for a bible. The NT was in the form of epistles...letters that contained testimonies that many were also coming into the same experience as.

Fast forward a few hundred years, and the testimonials became codified as scripture...and a religion was born based on creeds and avowals of belief...but the life was gone.

Now that religious version of Christianity reigns supreme...because the cost of an actual walk IN Christ is too high for a superficial modern society that looks for instant gratification.

I was baptized into Christ outside the religious system. My testimony is being born and baptized from heaven. So I don't fit into any man-inspired religious system.

Is that a bad thing? Quite the opposite. The problem is that genuine faith is so rare....its all mixed in with religious posturings and a name it claim it attitude that turns the bible into a religious magic book where all your wishes come true.

The problem with the religious version is that the testimonies of the NT are real. God is real. Jesus has been resurrected from the dead. He is alive. No man-made system is needed...it just gets in the way of a real connection to God.

Because I have learned to have faith...actual biblical faith...I have the same kind of testimony as we read about in the NT. Is that seen as good among the superficial ones? Quite the opposite. A real living connection with God is seen now by some as demonic and "New Age"...such is the lack of authenticity among the modern religionists who seek to steal away grace from God. But Jesus is coming back as a thief to take it back. There will be weeping and anger.

The unbelief of so many modern "believers" is made apparent to the principalities by their hateful reaction to the truth, if not to those who are unable to discern anything that isn't self-justifying.