How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[ChristisGod]

Here again you prefer your own faulty reasonings over God's word. Didn't God say He has mercy on who He has mercy? And that some are vessels of wrath and others vessels of mercy. There is no question of anybody "forgetting" their glasses here, it 's a question of who God grants those glasses to or not. Based I believe on His foreknowledge. And who oh man are we to question Him? There is the idea there that He has created and chosen different vessels for different purposes, though we hope and pray and intercede for the best outcome for every soul, since it isn't for us to assume or second guess the Lord.

Amen !

 

[Lizbeth]

I struggle to understand what you are saying-

Verse 11 recounts a curse upon the children of Israel. The name Ephraim means "fruitfulness", but because of her debauching, degrading, idolatrous sexual orgies, God sent sterility among the Ephraimites, so that children which were considered a glory to their parents, would cease to be born among those who had engaged in the shameful pursuit of idolatry, Gen_41:52.

Like a bird that is here one moment, and flown away the next, conceptions and many births would cease among the tribe of Ephraim, and in Israel.

Verse 12 continues to announce their judgment. Though they bare children, God would "bereave them" take them from man in death, while they were yet young, Job_27:14. Let it be noted that God's withdrawn mercy comes to be a source of evil judgment, 1Sa_4:21; 1Sa_28:15-16. When the care of God departs from one's physical life, it is serious, but when His Spirit departs from striving with ones soul, it is an eternal tragedy, beyond description. His spirit does not always bear and plead with erring men, Gen_6:5; Pro_29:1; Heb_4:7. How awful, how tragic, how forlorn it is when God has departed from a person or a family and Ichabod may be written over their door. Only those hardened in their wickedness would have God depart from them, Deu_31:17; Mat_8:34.

..and don't understand how you connect the new birth with this portion of Scripture you quoted.
Maybe I'm tired and don't want to assume things.
J.

An allegory in the OT.....conception and birth are in one way an allegory for being born again. The Lord warning Israel that the fountain and issuing of life would be dried up...ie, no more fruitful harvest of souls due to their sin. A lesson to the church as well. I was just pointing out that the idea of conception is mentioned there, and I'm relating it to to the idea of the new birth requiring a conception (and gestation) first..? (on one level?) "Til Christ be formed in you" and presumably born at some point. Mary pregnant with Christ, as a type of the church...."that which was conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit."

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Here again you prefer your own faulty reasonings over God's word. Didn't God say He has mercy on who He has mercy? And that some are vessels of wrath and others vessels of mercy. There is no question of anybody "forgetting" their glasses here, it 's a question of who God grants those glasses to or not. Based I believe on His foreknowledge. And who oh man are we to question Him? There is the idea there that He has created and chosen different vessels for different purposes, though we hope and pray and intercede for the best outcome for every soul, since it isn't for us to assume or second guess the Lord.

sadly he can;t get out of his own way.

It appears he thinks God will just let him in..

 

[Lizbeth]

sadly he can;t get out of his own way.

It appears he thinks God will just let him in..

Cant' help but smile, though I know it isn't really funny! :)

 

[Johann]

"Til Christ be formed in you" and presumably born at some point.

Doesn't gennēthēnai precede "till Christ be formed in you? Verb - Aorist Infinitive Passive.

There are six basic adverbial uses of the infinitive: purpose, result, time, cause, means, and complementary.

ðA. Purpose [to, in order to, for the purpose of]

1. Definition

The infinitive is used to indicate the purpose or goal of the action or state of its controlling verb. It answers the question “Why?” in that it looks ahead to the anticipated and intended result. This is one of the most common uses of the infinitive.3

Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish this usage from result. Not a few texts are impacted by the decision, however.

Just want to know if I understand you correctly.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yeah it seems rather arrogant.

What is arrogant is denying Christ and His word . Letting folks believe they can believe a lie in their false religoin .
Arrogance is man pointing to our own ability to save us and NOT rather TO CHRIST ALONE for salvation .
You can rest assured this man gonna be pointing to FAITH IN CHRIST . The arrogance of some
to omit the severity of GOD and preach a false goodness . RATHER preach JESUS CHRIST , Faith in HIM
and all things HE did teach and later the apostels left us in the letters .
Rather odd this social all inclusive go spell is .
WHEN paul , peter or others preach the gospel , they didnt come in
telling jews and gentiles believe as thou wilt , lets just find common ground and do some good works together .
THEY preached BELIEVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST . That was their mission . They preached the true gospel
that saves and not the false gospel that enslaves .

 

[GTW27]

An allegory in the OT.....conception and birth are in one way an allegory for being born again. The Lord warning Israel that the fountain and issuing of life would be dried up...ie, no more fruitful harvest of souls due to their sin. A lesson to the church as well. I was just pointing out that the idea of conception is mentioned there, and I'm relating it to to the idea of the new birth requiring a conception (and gestation) first..? (on one level?) "Til Christ be formed in you" and presumably born at some point. Mary pregnant with Christ, as a type of the church...."that which was conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit."

Now keep that thought and look at The Woman in Rev 12.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

sadly he can;t get out of his own way.

It appears he thinks God will just let him in..

yeah,

Its the ones he has following him that really bother me..

 

[ChristisGod]

yeah,

Its the ones he has following him that really bother me..

keep telling the truth and hopefully the truth will set them free from his false teaching.

 

[amigo de christo]

sadly he can;t get out of his own way.

It appears he thinks God will just let him in..

Well it didnt work out for the guest who had not the white garments of CHRIST on .
And it wont work out for any who sought their own way in or any other way .
FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST is the access IN . Budda and all his good works could not save him or his followers .
the prophet muhammed and all his good works could not save him or his followers .
Heck the jews couldnt even save them own selves .
The lambs shall point to CHRIST for pointing to anyone else or anything else is vain and shall only lead
the blind right into the ditch of perdition .

 

[amigo de christo]

yeah,

Its the ones he has following him that really bother me..

The blind cannot lead the blind , they simply both shall fall into the ditch .
Every plant that my Father has not planted shall be rooted up .
My sheep hear MY voice . Ye are not my sheep for you hear me not .
All that the FATHER has comes to ME .
marvel not , all whom have learned from the FATHER come to me . GOD draws us to CHRIST
not to the other false religoins and good works . HE led , HE drew even cornleious
who had done much good , prayed to the one true GOD , did many alms , TO BELIEVE IN CHRIST JESUS .
No other god , which are no gods , can save a soul .
GOD has chosen HOW to save the world . BY the preaching of CHRIST JESUS , HIS GOSPEL , TO BELIEVE
on HE whom GOD did send . GOD dont draw one to the mulsim faith and good works .
GOD dont draw one to faith in budda , or any other . ITS FAITH IN CHRIST or its all a death sentence
no matter how many good works they try and preach . its a vain faith .
Its why even the jews who sought to attain the law of righteousness , COULD NOT
for they sought it NOT BY FAITH . NO FAITH IN JESUS and i tell us all its vain .
He who believes in me shall be saved , but he who believeth not shall be damned .
If they recieve you not , go out into the streets and shake the dust off your feet
as a testimony against them , I tell you it will be worse for them than for even sodom on the day of judgment .
If ye LOVED GOD you would have Loved me .
What did JESUS tell the unbelieving jews , who even said GOD IS OUR FATHER .
They actually believed they followed GOD .
YE are of your father the DEVIL . ITS DIRE IMPORTANT to BELIEVE ON CHRIST JESUS
and all who deny HIM , WILL BE DENIED .
I think we need to also re examine what paul said .
THEY rejected the love of the truth which could have saved them
THUS he sends a strong delusion unto them that they should believe a lie and be DAMNED .
FAITH IN JESUS , HE ALONE is WHO GETS POINTED TOO on my watch . Now lift those hands up , ITS LORD PRAISING TIME
my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

 

[amadeus]

What if Jude's "twice dead" describes those who were born again but then went after other spirits...like Cain, Balaam, and Korah, to not only ship-wreck their faith but also destroy the life that God wanted for them to have?

Aye, consider the first death being that of Adam and Eve when they disobeyed God and the dead state of their offspring. Adam and Eve were dead and their children were dead for they were born dead to dead parents. Only when people received the Life that Jesus brought might they be alive to God.

Could it be then that those who received that Life and then turned away from it before the dirt was shoveled on their faces encountered the second death? Those who never believed were never alive.

 

[amigo de christo]

The gospel points to CHRIST who saved .
any other gospel simply keeps the slaves enslaved
The truth of Christ sets a man free
the lie simply keeps them in bondage to sin .
POINT to CHRIST JESUS one and all , and do so till the final breath . HE alone is our redemption , our santification
the justifier of our soul , our salvation , our only hope . Point to CHRIST till the last and final breath
For to believe in any other name will not save but only shall enslave and they will find no life in that grave .
Faith in JESUS saves . Never stop believing it , never stop saying it , praying that souls will hear and believe .

 

[GTW27]

Aye, consider the first death being that of Adam and Eve when they disobeyed God and the dead state of their offspring. Adam and Eve were dead and their children were dead for they were born dead to dead parents. Only when people received the Life that Jesus brought might they be alive to God.

Could it be then that those who received that Life and then turned away from it before the dirt was shoveled on their faces encountered the second death? Those who never believed were never alive.

How could one turn away or leave a Love such as this? Could you? "I will never leave you nor will I forsake you" "And I will finish the work I started in you."

 

[marks]

It is not worth the time, for me, to "correct" Epi and his heteron gospel sister, I need to work out my own salvation with fear and trembling, as it is appointed once for man to die and after that the judgement, it is me that is in great need of godly correction. [do you "hear" what I'm saying?]

I think we've all gone way beyond the Biblical directive of a couple admonitions and that's it. I agree, we have a much greater benefit working on our own selves! You, @Lizbeth , a couple of others, are being really good for me!

Much love!

 

[Johann]

I think we've all gone way beyond the Biblical directive of a couple admonitions and that's it. I agree, we have a much greater benefit working on our own selves! You, @Lizbeth , a couple of others, are being really good for me!

Much love!

Hi marks! Missed you man-no, it is me learning from you and a couple of others.
If and when you see/discern pride in me, let me know.
6:13 PM
Johann.

 

[Keturah]

The word of God has been written, expounded upon by truth believers......yet has been denied, twisted & confused by some & their followers w/o a TRUE relationship with God.

Continuing on in agreement with the accuser of the brethren makes one a part of the whole. That whole is one of deceit, lies, & macerating the TRUTH & is promoted by the father of lies !

THINK, PRAY, STUDY, & WALK IN THE SPIRIT AND ONE WILL ...NOT...BE DECEIVED.

Spiritual speaks to spiritual! Religion speaks ONLY to religion w/o truth !

Be a follower of God, his Son, Jesus & let men be men not a god to any.

It is YOUR salvation! Rightly divide the word by God's Spirit and acceptance is a guarantee ONLY TO THOSE THAT BELIEVE & ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD !

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Aye, consider the first death being that of Adam and Eve when they disobeyed God and the dead state of their offspring. Adam and Eve were dead and their children were dead for they were born dead to dead parents. Only when people received the Life that Jesus brought might they be alive to God.

Could it be then that those who received that Life and then turned away from it before the dirt was shoveled on their faces encountered the second death? Those who never believed were never alive.

The second death is when death and hades is cast into the lake of fire.

They are those who never believed.

 

[amadeus]

How could one turn away or leave a Love such as this? Could you? "I will never leave you nor will I forsake you" "And I will finish the work I started in you."

Can a person who has known God walk away from Him? God will not leave us or forsake us but what did Adam and Eve do? Was not the first man Adam a son of God who walked away from God by his own disobedience?

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. Luke 3:38 Did Adam not die when he ate of the forbidden tree? And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Gen 2:16-17 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. Gen 3:6