Illuminator
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Where Mr. Wallace sees a "problem" I see a solution.
I find no Biblical justification for a hierarchy of churches, which is to be expected. There is NO requirement to become a member of a church or a member of denomination. Obedience requires that we become disciples of Jesus Christ and live according to his teaching. Sunday worship and Sunday attendance is NOT a requirement for fellowship with the saints. The basis of our fellowship is our common journey as we walk in the Lord. A hierarchy of Churches or any sort of religious hierarchy is antichrist.
- there is no hierarchy of churches responsible to a central head,
8. Ephesians 4 Refutes the Protestant “Proof Text”
“All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work” (2 Tim. 3:16–17).This passage doesn’t teach formal sufficiency, which excludes a binding, authoritative role for Tradition and Church. Protestants extrapolate onto the text what isn’t there. If we look at the overall context of this passage, we can see that Paul makes reference to oral Tradition three times (cf. 2 Tim. 1:13–14; 2:2; 3:14). And to use an analogy, let’s examine a similar passage:
“And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the cunning of men, by their craftiness in deceitful wiles. Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ” (Eph. 4:11–15).
If 2 Timothy 3 proves the sole sufficiency of Scripture, then, by analogy, Ephesians 4 would likewise prove the sufficiency of pastors and teachers for the attainment of Christian perfection. In Ephesians 4, the Christian believer is equipped, built up, brought into unity and mature manhood, and even preserved from doctrinal confusion by means of the teaching function of the Church. This is a far stronger statement of the perfecting of the saints than 2 Timothy 3, yet it does not even mention Scripture.
So if all non-scriptural elements are excluded in 2 Timothy, then, by analogy, Scripture would logically have to be excluded in Ephesians. It is far more reasonable to recognize that the absence of one or more elements in one passage does not mean that they are nonexistent. The Church and Scripture are both equally necessary and important for teaching.

A Quick Ten-Step Refutation of Sola Scriptura
Catholics agree with Protestants that Scripture is a “standard of truth”—even the preeminent one—but not in a sense that rules out the binding authority of authentic apostolic Tradition and the Church. The Bible doesn’t teach that.
There is no mention of Christ's heavenly authority, that's a red herring. The local congregation has no authority over any other congregation.Jesus Christ is so much above any earthly authority that I can't believe a genuine believer would suggest that the local congregation has no accountability higher than itself.
- no accountability beyond the local congregation,
The basis of our fellowship is our common journey in the walk of faith with no common teaching, not even the Creeds, which are mostly held in common with most non-Catholic Christians. That means you are anti-Protestant.Jesus told his disciples "they shall know you by your love." The basis of our fellowship is our common journey in the walk of faith. An authentic Christian has fellowship with any other authentic Christian anywhere in the world and at any time in history based on a common walk with Jesus and a commitment to his teaching.
- no fellowship beyond the local assembly,
Yea, and you are so anti-institutional you can't even establish an inner city soup kitchen.The Holy Spirit sends individuals to bring the good news and the Holy Spirit supplies support. The idea that the church of Jesus Christ needs the support of hundreds of congregations is antichrist.
- no missional emphasis that gains support from hundreds of congregations, and
But non-denoms deny having pastors because each individual is a pastor. If you have a pastor, his email is a matter of public record.Jesus Christ is the local pastor's superior.
- no superiors to whom a local pastor must submit for doctrinal or ethical fidelity.
Must you be so nasty? Daniel Wallace is Executive Director of CSNTM & Senior Research Professor of NT Studies at Dallas Theological Seminary. Show a little respect.Mr. Wallace's outline defines the parameters needed to build an empire: fiscal responsibility; source of income; and a centralized power structure. He unwittingly, I suppose, seeks to transform the body of Christ into the leviathan. His outline provides all the working parts of a monster machine, which seeks only to devour all that it sees.
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Are you saying Wallace doesn't know his Bible??? Or are you saying you are more scripturally literate then he is???
Or both???
Leviathan??? Spoken like a true Hislopite, or a Jack Chicklet.
I look forward to more infallible opinions.
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