Will Judas Iscariot be Saved?

[Patrick1966]

I'm not trying to pick a fight--enough of that going on.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Stem cells are living and is life. Its the reason why organs can be transplanted to another human body because the stem cells are alive for awhile.

Are you saying that after death the cells that keep living for awhile is part of the soul?. No not a chance a transplanted organ doesn't have any remnant of a person's soul in it.

You assume that the soul is separate from the body....I believe that the soul only exists whilst the body is alive. Souls die. (Ezekiel 18:4) Adam “became a living soul”...so whilst he breathed he was a soul or person.....he was not given a soul.....he WAS a soul. There is no shadowy part of man that leaves the body at death....that is a platonic Greek idea, not found in the Bible at all......it does not teach that we have an immortal soul.....it teaches resurrection, which is a restoration of life....NOT a continuation of it. You cannot resurrect someone who is not dead. Where was Lazarus before Jesus resurrected him? Where did Jesus say he was? (John 11:11-14) Death is a “sleep”. The dead are not conscious. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10)

Im taking about the human cells. not the 10,000 or so species the human body host

Cells are components of all living things.....they do not exist independently. They are the building blocks of life.....not life itself.

 

[Davy]

Who has ALREADY been judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire"??

Satan and his angels ONLY.

Does that mean Judas could still be saved? Yep! because he has not been judged and sentenced to perish yet today. Nor has any murderer been judged to perish yet today. Lord Jesus only will do that Judging. This is why during His Ministry on earth He never actually condemned anyone to perish in the future "lake of fire" except Satan and his angels. For the wicked that wanted to kill Him, He only threatened them with being in 'danger of perishing.'

 

[Patrick1966]

Satan and his angels ONLY.

God is using them for his purposes. I believe they too will be transformed and saved in the end because God is great, merciful, and loving.

 

[Davy]

God is using them for his purposes. I believe they too will be transformed and saved in the end because God is great, merciful, and loving.

That I do not... believe, and such an idea as that goes directly against His Word, because HE has already judged and sentenced Satan and his angels to PERISH.

Isa 30:31-33
31 For through the voice of the LORD shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod.

32 And in every place where the grounded staff shall pass, which the LORD shall lay upon him, it shall be with tabrets and harps: and in battles of shaking will he fight with it.

33 For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.
KJV

In the above, it's important to understand that God in several places uses the names of flesh kings to symbolically represent Satan. There He uses the name of the king of Assyria.

That Tophet we are told was ordained by God of old, pointing back to the previous world when Satan first rebelled against Him.

Tophet is from the idea of the perpetual burning garbage pit outside the walls of Jerusalem, called the Valley of Hinnom. Jesus used it as a symbolic example (geena) for the future "lake of fire" event that will happen at the end of Rev.20 which will destroy Satan, hell, and death.

That's why Lord Jesus would say this...

Matt 25:41
41 Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, "Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
KJV

That judgment and sentencing is not going to change.

 

[Patrick1966]

Matt 25:41
41 Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, "Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
KJV

Mistranslation.

Concordant Matthew 25:41
Matt 25:41
41 "Then shall He be declaring to those also at His left, 'Go from Me, you cursed, into the fire eonian, made ready for the Adversary and his messengers.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Is Judas saved? Only God can truly look at the conditions of the heart to know if someone believed in Jesus Christ with faith alone and gained permanent salvation. As it is the Holy Spirit, who is God, that is inside a person dwelling that makes a person clean of all sins.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,



Let’s get more specific, and know that I am referring to Judas Iscariot here

Jesus answered, “It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish.” Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot.



However, if we assume that this Judas, of Iscariot, is not saved, then arises another question.



Will Judas Iscariot be saved? Yes, eventually this Judas will believe in Jesus Christ with faith alone and be saved permanently. And yes, I am aware that this Judas committed suicide.

Matthew 27:1 5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.



And yes I am aware that Judas Iscariot was the one who betrayed Jesus Christ.

Luke 22:47 While he was still speaking a crowd came up, and the man who was called Judas, one of the Twelve, was leading them. He approached Jesus to kiss him, 48 but Jesus asked him, “Judas, are you betraying the Son of Man with a kiss?”



And you’re probably wondering how a traitor like Judas can receive salvation? When his act of betrayal became so popular that it has a whole Wikipedia page on it?



Kiss of Judas - Wikipedia

Justus Knecht comments on Judas' kiss writing,

He did not refuse his treacherous kiss: He suffered His sacred Face to be touched by the lips of this vile traitor, and He even called him: “Friend!” “I have always treated you as My friend”, He meant to imply, “why therefore do you come now at the head of My enemies, and betray Me to them by a kiss!” This loving treatment on the part of our Lord was to the ungrateful traitor a last hour of grace. Jesus gave him to understand that He still loved him in spite of his vile crime, and was ready to forgive him.



Despite this treacherous kiss, Jesus was ready to forgive Judas! And Jesus Christ is still ready, waiting with open arms, ready to forgive Judas Iscariot. All people will become righteous friends of the Lord, like how Abraham believed in the Lord and was seen as a friend of righteousness.

Romans 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”



When his act of betrayal became so noteworthy that it appears on the dictionary? Literally as something specifically defined as “deceitful and treacherous”.

Judas kiss



Judas kiss

Also found in: Idioms, Wikipedia.

a deceitful and treacherous kiss.

an act appearing to be an act of friendship, which is in fact harmful to the recipient.



The term “Judas Kiss” has even gone beyond the Biblical Christianity and has been used to describe “treacherous natures” in general by the general masses, such as with the fictional (aka fake, false) human made Japanese danmaku 弾幕 だんまく series “Touhou” 東方 Though I do enjoy this series, like the music.

Touhou PC-98 東方 5 Kaikidan ~ Mystic Square怪綺談 とうほうかいきだんMai's マイTheme: Treacherous Maiden ~ Judas Kiss. 裏切りの少女Released 1998-12-30 (Comiket 55)

The creator of Touhou, Jun’ya “ZUN” Ōta 太田 順也, and of this music track describes it 東方幻想的音楽 as

This is "Treacherous Maiden ~ Judas Kiss" from Mystic Square. … I was thinking of arranging in Biblical style as the title implies(kiss of Judas), but what's Biblical style in the first place? I seem to have gained a bit of its conscious later on (^ ^;.

Mystic Square/Music



So even those outside of Christianity can recognize that Judas is treacherous. Then, how can this person be saved, who committed such a deceitful, treacherous betrayal against our Lord and Saviour, how can he possibly be saved? Well, the same way that all of us are saved…

Romans 5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.



By believing in Jesus Christ with faith alone. His sacrifice, the blood on the cross, is sufficient to wash away all sins. Even if Judas is in Sheol, the realm of the dead, after his suicide, he can still believe in Christ Jesus and have the Holy Spirit enter his body, so he can be made clean to go to Heaven. This will happen, as the Bible tells us that Christ shall be all in all! Yes, even in the most treacherous of traitors!

1 Corinthians 15:22-28 All will be made alive in Christ, but each in his own turn and ultimately Christ will subdue all His enemies, eliminate death and God will be all in all.



All traitors in the whole world will become believers in Christ and be washed of all their sins! This includes Judas Iscariot! Everyone, ever, that has existed, exists, will exist, thus will guaranteed become believers in Jesus and all of them will have permanent life! Each and every one of those who have committed any act of betrayal will be washed of their sin by the holy blood of Christ and therefore allowed to enter the gates of Heaven into the holy city of New Jerusalem.

Psalm 30:5 For his anger is but for a moment, and his favor is for a lifetime. Weeping may tarry for the night, but joy comes with the morning.

Judas Iscariot may have been weeping, battered by grief for a moment. This weeping may have led him to suicide. But eventually, he will be saved. He will have faith in Christ Jesus as the saviour for his sins.

Luke 15:4: "What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it?"

Judas Iscariot is like that lost sheep. Even if 99% of people on Earth are saved, if Judas Iscariot, if even the most treacherous traitors are not saved, Jesus Christ will not stop saving people until 100% of 100% of people on Earth are saved. All = all. 100% = 100%. We are all sheep to the Lord, and He is our Holy Shepard. We will all have faith in Him, the Lord of Hosts, and be washed from death, and be made clean with permanent life.

Revelation 5:13: "And I [John] heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, `To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!"'

Short answer. Judas is and will remain unsaved. Judas did not biblically repent.

Biblical repentance is the Greek--Metanoia which means a change of mind.

Judas' repentance was --Metamellomai which means to feel bad about.

So Judas felt bad but did not have biblical repentance.

 

[Patrick1966]

Short answer. Judas is and will remain unsaved. Judas did not biblically repent.

Biblical repentance is the Greek--Metanoia which means a change of mind.

Judas' repentance was --Metamellomai which means to feel bad about.

So Judas felt bad but did not have biblical repentance.

Nah. Judas is up in Heaven sitting poolside with Jesus and drinking a Margarita right now. Jesus loves Judas. Jesus loves us all. Jesus doesn't destroy; he saves. Some get saved in this life and others get saved the hard way. :)

 

[Davy]

Mistranslation.

Concordant Matthew 25:41
Matt 25:41
41 "Then shall He be declaring to those also at His left, 'Go from Me, you cursed, into the fire eonian, made ready for the Adversary and his messengers.

Yeah, right, the source you... are using is definitely the mistranslation! The KJV is not.

 

[Patrick1966]

Yeah, right, the source you... are using is definitely the mistranslation! The KJV is not.

If the KJV translation is correct and people go to Hell FOREVER then 1 Timothy 4:10 is FALSE.

1 Timothy 4:10​

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King James Version​

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10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of ALL men, specially of those that believe.

 

[Davy]

If the KJV translation is correct and people go to Hell FOREVER then 1 Timothy 4:10 is FALSE.

1 Timothy 4:10​

King James Version​

10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of ALL men, specially of those that believe.

Nah... you simply REJECT THE MATTHEW 25:41 SCRIPTURE AS WRITTEN. It is a simple and easy translation from the Greek, as witnessed from many... English Bible translations (see further below).

You want to use 1 Timothy 4:10 as an 'excuse', when it is simply about how Jesus is indeed The offered Savior for all mankind that accept Him...

1 John 4:14
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
KJV

1 John 2:2
2 And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
KJV

1 Tim 2:3-4
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
KJV

It's obvious that the 1 Timothy 4:10 'context' with those saved being about those who 'believe' on Jesus Christ. It is not automatic without belief on Jesus Christ, and here is why...

John 3:17-18
17 For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
KJV

John 3:36
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
KJV

Thus your Universalist idea is NOT Biblically founded.



Matt 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
KJV

Matt 25:41
41 Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;
YLT

Matt 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:
ASV

Matt 25:41
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
ESV

Matt 25:41
41 "Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, 'Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.
Holy Bible, New Living Translation

Matt 25:41
41 Then will he say to those on the left, Go from me, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire which is ready for the Evil One and his angels:
BBE

Matt 25:41-42
41 Then he will also say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed ones, into the eternal fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels!
(The Lexham English Bible, Fourth Edition)

Matt 25:41
41 "Then will He say to those at His left, "`Begone from me, with the curse resting upon you, into the Fire of the Ages, which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels.
Weymouth

 

[Harold]

Hey all on Christianityboard. Back with an update since a friend of mine sent this verse

John 17:1212 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Some may think "Judas was lost, how can he be saved". Now, replace the name of Judas with any other human you know of "Harold was lost, how can he be saved." "John was lost, how can he be saved". How can anyone be saved, if we're all lost? It's because Christ's the one who does the saving! For us humans, saving even the evilest sinners may seem impossible, but for God, anything's possible.

Indeed, Judas was lost. Guess who else was lost. Me, Harold Samson. Oh, and you too, the reader of this, I say with kindness. Essentially, at one point or another every human was lost, because we all have sin. Just like how people have believed in Christ to be saved from that state of being lost.

Scripture was fulfilled by Judas being lost. And again, scripture will be fulfilled when all people, including Judas, are saved.

Luke 15:3-7
So he told them this parable: “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? (ESV)

 

[ButterflyJones]

Hey all on Christianityboard. Back with an update since a friend of mine sent this verse

John 17:1212 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Some may think "Judas was lost, how can he be saved". Now, replace the name of Judas with any other human you know of "Harold was lost, how can he be saved." "John was lost, how can he be saved". How can anyone be saved, if we're all lost? It's because Christ's the one who does the saving! For us humans, saving even the evilest sinners may seem impossible, but for God, anything's possible.

Indeed, Judas was lost. Guess who else was lost. Me, Harold Samson. Oh, and you too, the reader of this, I say with kindness. Essentially, at one point or another every human was lost, because we all have sin. Just like how people have believed in Christ to be saved from that state of being lost.

Scripture was fulfilled by Judas being lost. And again, scripture will be fulfilled when all people, including Judas, are saved.

Luke 15:3-7
So he told them this parable: “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? (ESV)

Satan is the son of perdition.
Judas was saved by Jesus from the cross. Father forgive them, they know not what they do.

Jesus knew what Judas was going to do. That's how he would die for the new covenant blood seal. That's why Jesus told Judas to go and do what he must do.

Judas didn't know the lengths his "betrayal" would go against Jesus. That those whose father was the Devil, as Jesus called them, wanted Jesus dead. Which is why Judas hanged himself after returning their blood money to them.

And when Jesus was before Pilate, the Jews calling for his execution cursed themselves and future generations saying, let his blood, Jesus', be upon our head and those of our children .

And so it is.

 

[RLT63]

Is Judas saved? Only God can truly look at the conditions of the heart to know if someone believed in Jesus Christ with faith alone and gained permanent salvation. As it is the Holy Spirit, who is God, that is inside a person dwelling that makes a person clean of all sins.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,



Let’s get more specific, and know that I am referring to Judas Iscariot here

Jesus answered, “It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish.” Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot.



However, if we assume that this Judas, of Iscariot, is not saved, then arises another question.



Will Judas Iscariot be saved? Yes, eventually this Judas will believe in Jesus Christ with faith alone and be saved permanently. And yes, I am aware that this Judas committed suicide.

Matthew 27:1 5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.



And yes I am aware that Judas Iscariot was the one who betrayed Jesus Christ.

Luke 22:47 While he was still speaking a crowd came up, and the man who was called Judas, one of the Twelve, was leading them. He approached Jesus to kiss him, 48 but Jesus asked him, “Judas, are you betraying the Son of Man with a kiss?”



And you’re probably wondering how a traitor like Judas can receive salvation? When his act of betrayal became so popular that it has a whole Wikipedia page on it?



Kiss of Judas - Wikipedia

Justus Knecht comments on Judas' kiss writing,

He did not refuse his treacherous kiss: He suffered His sacred Face to be touched by the lips of this vile traitor, and He even called him: “Friend!” “I have always treated you as My friend”, He meant to imply, “why therefore do you come now at the head of My enemies, and betray Me to them by a kiss!” This loving treatment on the part of our Lord was to the ungrateful traitor a last hour of grace. Jesus gave him to understand that He still loved him in spite of his vile crime, and was ready to forgive him.



Despite this treacherous kiss, Jesus was ready to forgive Judas! And Jesus Christ is still ready, waiting with open arms, ready to forgive Judas Iscariot. All people will become righteous friends of the Lord, like how Abraham believed in the Lord and was seen as a friend of righteousness.

Romans 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”



When his act of betrayal became so noteworthy that it appears on the dictionary? Literally as something specifically defined as “deceitful and treacherous”.

Judas kiss



Judas kiss

Also found in: Idioms, Wikipedia.

a deceitful and treacherous kiss.

an act appearing to be an act of friendship, which is in fact harmful to the recipient.



The term “Judas Kiss” has even gone beyond the Biblical Christianity and has been used to describe “treacherous natures” in general by the general masses, such as with the fictional (aka fake, false) human made Japanese danmaku 弾幕 だんまく series “Touhou” 東方 Though I do enjoy this series, like the music.

Touhou PC-98 東方 5 Kaikidan ~ Mystic Square怪綺談 とうほうかいきだんMai's マイTheme: Treacherous Maiden ~ Judas Kiss. 裏切りの少女Released 1998-12-30 (Comiket 55)

The creator of Touhou, Jun’ya “ZUN” Ōta 太田 順也, and of this music track describes it 東方幻想的音楽 as

This is "Treacherous Maiden ~ Judas Kiss" from Mystic Square. … I was thinking of arranging in Biblical style as the title implies(kiss of Judas), but what's Biblical style in the first place? I seem to have gained a bit of its conscious later on (^ ^;.

Mystic Square/Music



So even those outside of Christianity can recognize that Judas is treacherous. Then, how can this person be saved, who committed such a deceitful, treacherous betrayal against our Lord and Saviour, how can he possibly be saved? Well, the same way that all of us are saved…

Romans 5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.



By believing in Jesus Christ with faith alone. His sacrifice, the blood on the cross, is sufficient to wash away all sins. Even if Judas is in Sheol, the realm of the dead, after his suicide, he can still believe in Christ Jesus and have the Holy Spirit enter his body, so he can be made clean to go to Heaven. This will happen, as the Bible tells us that Christ shall be all in all! Yes, even in the most treacherous of traitors!

1 Corinthians 15:22-28 All will be made alive in Christ, but each in his own turn and ultimately Christ will subdue all His enemies, eliminate death and God will be all in all.



All traitors in the whole world will become believers in Christ and be washed of all their sins! This includes Judas Iscariot! Everyone, ever, that has existed, exists, will exist, thus will guaranteed become believers in Jesus and all of them will have permanent life! Each and every one of those who have committed any act of betrayal will be washed of their sin by the holy blood of Christ and therefore allowed to enter the gates of Heaven into the holy city of New Jerusalem.

Psalm 30:5 For his anger is but for a moment, and his favor is for a lifetime. Weeping may tarry for the night, but joy comes with the morning.

Judas Iscariot may have been weeping, battered by grief for a moment. This weeping may have led him to suicide. But eventually, he will be saved. He will have faith in Christ Jesus as the saviour for his sins.

Luke 15:4: "What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it?"

Judas Iscariot is like that lost sheep. Even if 99% of people on Earth are saved, if Judas Iscariot, if even the most treacherous traitors are not saved, Jesus Christ will not stop saving people until 100% of 100% of people on Earth are saved. All = all. 100% = 100%. We are all sheep to the Lord, and He is our Holy Shepard. We will all have faith in Him, the Lord of Hosts, and be washed from death, and be made clean with permanent life.

Revelation 5:13: "And I [John] heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, `To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!"'

Mat 26:24 - The Son of man goeth as it is written of-him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

 

[Davy]

Mistranslation.

Concordant Matthew 25:41
Matt 25:41
41 "Then shall He be declaring to those also at His left, 'Go from Me, you cursed, into the fire eonian, made ready for the Adversary and his messengers.

You haven't proven anything by that quote. God had ordained the future "lake of fire" destruction specifically for the devil and his angels. Ideas that Satan and his angels can be saved do not originate from The Word of God, but from the word of Lucifer and his followers.

Matt 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
KJV

Matt 25:41
41 Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;
YLT

Matt 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:
ASV

Matt 25:41
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
ESV

Matt 25:41-42
41 Then he will also say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed ones, into the eternal fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels!
(from The Lexham English Bible, Fourth Edition <NL><NL>Copyright © 2010, 2012 Logos Bible Software.)

Matt 25:41
41
Tóte ereí kaí toís ex euœnúmœn Poreúesthe ap' emoú hoi kat¢raménoi eis tó púr tó aiœ¡nion tó h¢toimasménon tœ¡ diabólœ kaí toís angélois autoú
TR-Stephanus

 

[Davy]

Hey all on Christianityboard. Back with an update since a friend of mine sent this verse

John 17:1212 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Some may think "Judas was lost, how can he be saved". Now, replace the name of Judas with any other human you know of "Harold was lost, how can he be saved." "John was lost, how can he be saved". How can anyone be saved, if we're all lost? It's because Christ's the one who does the saving! For us humans, saving even the evilest sinners may seem impossible, but for God, anything's possible.

Indeed, Judas was lost. Guess who else was lost. Me, Harold Samson. Oh, and you too, the reader of this, I say with kindness. Essentially, at one point or another every human was lost, because we all have sin. Just like how people have believed in Christ to be saved from that state of being lost.

Scripture was fulfilled by Judas being lost. And again, scripture will be fulfilled when all people, including Judas, are saved.

Luke 15:3-7
So he told them this parable: “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? (ESV)

That still does not support any such 'Luciferian' ideal that Satan and his angels can be saved. Those who say they can be saved mock God's written Word (and I think those behind that idea know they are mocking God's Word too), for those men who devised such a lie follow Lucifer worship and are connected with paganism.

So those who follow them are going deserve the rejection by Lord Jesus Christ at His future coming.

 

[Davy]

Some may think "Judas was lost, how can he be saved". Now, replace the name of Judas with any other human you know of "Harold was lost, how can he be saved." "John was lost, how can he be saved". How can anyone be saved, if we're all lost? It's because Christ's the one who does the saving! For us humans, saving even the evilest sinners may seem impossible, but for God, anything's possible.

Indeed, Judas was lost. Guess who else was lost. Me, Harold Samson. Oh, and you too, the reader of this, I say with kindness. Essentially, at one point or another every human was lost, because we all have sin. Just like how people have believed in Christ to be saved from that state of being lost.

Concerning Judas Iscariot, whom Lord Jesus said was "a devil", and also used the "son of perdition" label on, has YET to be judged and sentenced to PERISH in the future "lake of fire".

Some of you brethren can't even keep the idea of "hell" and the "lake of fire" separate in your mind like God's Word shows.

So how can you even understand this simple matter about God's future Great White Throne Judgment, which only takes place AFTER Christ's future return and after He has reigned over the nations for a 1,000 years?

As of right now, this day, NO FLESH BORN MAN has been judged and sentenced to perish in that future "lake of fire", not even Judas Iscariot.

The ONLY ones, even to this day, that have already been judged and sentenced to perish in that future "lake of fire" are Satan and his angels, and that cannot be changed.

 

[ButterflyJones]

Mat 26:24 - The Son of man goeth as it is written of-him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

That would be Joseph Caiaphas, the high priest who paid what was traditionally the slave price of 30 pieces of silver, today about $350. ,for Judas to turn over Jesus to them.

 

[RLT63]

That would be Joseph Caiaphas, the high priest who paid what was traditionally the slave price of 30 pieces of silver, today about $350. ,for Judas to turn over Jesus to them.

I don’t think so. That would be Judas. Key word - betrayed

 

[ButterflyJones]

I don’t think so. That would be Judas. Key word - betrayed

How does it count as betrayal? When Jesus instructed Judas to go and do what he must do?

Whereas those whom Jesus identified as of their father the Devil the Pharisees and chief priests who wanted to try him before an illegal court, did betray their Messiah in such ways. By denying him when meeting face to face.