Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

[Eternally Grateful]

That is just plain silly.

Please explain how they taught two different gospel

 

[Bible Highlighter]

To all those Christians who are true bible believers (and not liberals):

Well, in addition to our requirement to be water baptized, the Bible does also talk about being Spirit baptized.
You can learn more about that here:

The Doctrine of Baptisms

The Doctrine of Baptisms: (Hebrews 6:2) Baptisms God does upon us after we have received God’s grace through faith: (According to His Word): #1. The Holy Spirit baptizes us into Jesus Christ and the church at salvation “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body...” (1 Corinthians...

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[Jim B]

To all those Christians who are true bible believers (and not liberals):

Well, in addition to our requirement to be water baptized, the Bible does also talk about being Spirit baptized.
You can learn more about that here:

The Doctrine of Baptisms

The Doctrine of Baptisms: (Hebrews 6:2) Baptisms God does upon us after we have received God’s grace through faith: (According to His Word): #1. The Holy Spirit baptizes us into Jesus Christ and the church at salvation “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body...” (1 Corinthians...

www.christianityboard.com

There is no difference between true Bible believers and liberals. That is just conservative, prideful propaganda! Jesus was a prime example of a political liberal!!! He defied both the conservative Jewish hierarchy and the militancy of Rome.

Why do you inject political garbage into a discussion about baptisms???

 

[Jim B]

Most mid-Acts dispensationalists deny the need for water baptism today. The Grace Movement teaches that water baptism was a Jewish rite and that Jesus’ command in Matthew 28:19 is not for the church. They exclude water baptism on the basis that the only baptism needed today is the baptism of the Spirit, which occurs at salvation.

Source:

What is mid-Acts dispensationalism? What is the Grace Movement, and is it biblical? | GotQuestions.org

What is mid-Acts dispensationalism? What is the Grace Movement, and is it biblical? How is mid-Acts dispensationalism different from ultradispensationalism and classic dispensationalism?

www.gotquestions.org

This belief is not isolated to Mid Acts Type believers. Just do a search on Google.

Water baptism is optional. It is not necessary for salvation. It is a visual statement that the old person has died and the new person has risen with Christ.

It is true that the only baptism needed today is the baptism of the Spirit.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I don't speculate, assume or presuppose.
I never said all Catholics. Quote me saying all Catholics are baptized as babies.
It is irrelevant because infant baptism is a false gospel.
This should be enough for anyone with an honest heart to know the Catholics do not teach the apostles doctrine, Acts 2:42.

You absolutely DO speculate, assume AND presuppose by stating emphatically that Infant Baptism us “unbiblical” or a “false Gospel” without producing even a SINGLE verse to support this.

Yes I certainly can!
The bible was completed. No more latter day revelation as the catholic church is ever evolving into new doctrines that were never taught by the apostles of Christ.

Galatians 1:6-7,
- I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ to a different gospel, which is not another but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.

Who can preach anything other than what the apostles had revealed to them through the Holy Spirit?
Does the catholic church teach doctrines that the apostles never taught in their gospel?
Yes
Ever evolving revelation from Catholicism!

Galatians 1:8,
- but even if we(apostles) or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

All the apostles are dead!

Revelation 22:18,19
- for I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book,
and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the book of life from the Holy city and from the things which are written in this book.

1Corinthians 4:6,
- Now these things brethren I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written , that none of you may be puffed up on my behalf of one against another.

Deuteronomy 4:2,
- You shall not  add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

All we can speak is the revealed completed revelation of God.
Anything else is not Gods word,
1Peter 4:11,
-if anyone speaks let him speak as the oracles of God....
Colossians 3:17,
- and whatever you do in word or deed do all in the name of our Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.

Man has no authority to change add to or take away from the oracles of God!
Jesus has all authority.
Only He can decide what is and what will be written as the word of God,
Matthew 28:18,
- and Jesus came and spoke to them saying, ALL AUTHORITY has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
How much authority does that leave the catholic church to add to His revelation?
Answer, none

Just what I thought –

A complete and total FAILURE to provide Scriptural evidence for the false, 16th century invention that is Sola Scriptura. Posting verses about the efficacy and value of Scripture is woefully short of proving that Scripture is our “SOLE Authority”.
The fact is that Scripture NEVER makes this claim for itself.

Scripture DOES, however, tell us that the CHURCH is our final earthly Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

Try again . . .

 

[Bible Highlighter]

There is no difference between true Bible believers and liberals. That is just conservative, prideful propaganda! Jesus was a prime example of a political liberal!!! He defied both the conservative Jewish hierarchy and the militancy of Rome.

Why do you inject political garbage into a discussion about baptisms???

There are different levels of Christian liberalism.
Some who are liberal will not even admit that they are liberal.

Here is an article by Gotquestions, which gives you a breakdown of what a liberal looks like:

What is liberal Christian theology? | GotQuestions.org

What is liberal Christian theology? Why is liberal Christian theology so dangerous?

www.gotquestions.org

While some Christian Liberals do not fit the exact mold as given by Gotquestions, they are still liberal if they hold to certain points on that list. Many liberals tend to turn the Word of God into fables or fictional stories. I believe anyone who defends Christian liberalism is seriously in trouble with the LORD and they need to repent and become born again. I believe they cannot be reasoned with but only prayed for. Liberals want some semblance of the truth up to a point (i.e. the existence of God) but they do not want the precise or exact truth of what God offers (Thereby they are rejecting the one true God).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Water baptism is optional. It is not necessary for salvation. It is a visual statement that the old person has died and the new person has risen with Christ.

It is true that the only baptism needed today is the baptism of the Spirit.

While water baptism is not done for initial salvation, it is a requirement as a part of living out our faith. There is no verse or passage in the New Testament saying that we are not to water baptize new believers in Jesus Christ. This was a part of the great commission that Jesus gave to us.

Side Note:

Many misquote Paul in 1 Corinthians 1:17 when he was correcting the misuse of water baptism. The context makes that fact very clear. Besides, there are no other verses that tell us that Christians were to stop water baptizing new believers. There was no clear change in the program. Folks are only making an inference off one verse (out of context) to build an entire doctrine around. There is also no verse or passage in Scripture saying that water baptism is optional, either. If you have a verse or passage that says that, then by all means… present that verse here.

 

[Jim B]

There are different levels of Christian liberalism.
Some who are liberal will not even admit that they are liberal.

Here is an article by Gotquestions, which gives you a breakdown of what a liberal looks like:

What is liberal Christian theology? | GotQuestions.org

What is liberal Christian theology? Why is liberal Christian theology so dangerous?

www.gotquestions.org

While some Christian Liberals do not fit the exact mold as given by Gotquestions, they are still liberal if they hold to certain points on that list. Many liberals tend to turn the Word of God into fables or fictional stories. I believe anyone who defends Christian liberalism is seriously in trouble with the LORD and they need to repent and become born again. I believe they cannot be reasoned with but only prayed for. Liberals want some semblance of the truth up to a point (i.e. the existence of God) but they do not want the precise or exact truth of what God offers (Thereby they are rejecting the one true God).

This is just absurd! Why are you wasting people's time with this off-topic garbage?

Anyone can choose a selected source to justify their "truth". Even Satan did that when he met Jesus in the wilderness.

I could just as easily say (with equal justification) that many conservatives tend to turn the Word of God into fables or fictional stories. And anyone who defends Christian conservatism is seriously in trouble with the LORD. It is blatantly obvious that conservatives are rejecting the one true God. -- but that would be stooping to your level of bigotry.

It is obvious that you either have never read the parable of the good Samaritan or simply don't believe it. Samaritans were despised by the Jews, just as you despise liberals, but he was the one whom Jesus described as the one who truly loved his neighbor. => Your unChristian intolerance and criticism of others in Christ is disgusting!!! <=

While you're at it, read the parable of the self-righteous Pharisee and the tax collector.

Luke 18:9-14, "He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and regarded others with contempt: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, was praying thus, ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people: thieves, rogues, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give a tenth of all my income.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven but was beating his breast and saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his home justified rather than the other, for all who exalt themselves will be humbled, but all who humble themselves will be exalted.”

I will continue to oppose your condemnation of your brothers and sisters => whom Christ has accepted <=

 

[Jim B]

While water baptism is not done for initial salvation, it is a requirement as a part of living out our faith. There is no verse or passage in the New Testament saying that we are not to water baptize new believers in Jesus Christ. This was a part of the great commission that Jesus gave to us.

Side Note:

Many misquote Paul in 1 Corinthians 1:17 when he was correcting the misuse of water baptism. The context makes that fact very clear. Besides, there are no other verses that tell us that Christians were to stop water baptizing new believers. There was no clear change in the program. Folks are only making an inference off one verse (out of context) to build an entire doctrine around. There is also no verse or passage in Scripture saying that water baptism is optional, either. If you have a verse or passage that says that, then by all means… present that verse here.

Water baptism is not a requirement as a part of living out our faith. That does not agree with Scripture!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Water baptism is not a requirement as a part of living out our faith. That does not agree with Scripture!

Please show me where your line of thinking is so. In other words, please show me where baptism is not a requirement by God and where it has clearly ended for us as a part of our faith.

Side Note:

Before you said it was optional (Which is contradictory to this statement). Besides, do you even have a verse or passage that says that says that baptism is optional? My guess is you don’t and you are only going off your own thoughts here.

Side Note 2:

Living out your faith is anything you do for the LORD that He instructs us to do after we are saved by God’s grace. This can be an action that is done right away or something done later down the road (When God brings the right circumstances into play).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

This is just absurd! Why are you wasting people's time with this off-topic garbage?

Anyone can choose a selected source to justify their "truth". Even Satan did that when he met Jesus in the wilderness.

I could just as easily say (with equal justification) that many conservatives tend to turn the Word of God into fables or fictional stories. And anyone who defends Christian conservatism is seriously in trouble with the LORD. It is blatantly obvious that conservatives are rejecting the one true God. -- but that would be stooping to your level of bigotry.

It is obvious that you either have never read the parable of the good Samaritan or simply don't believe it. Samaritans were despised by the Jews, just as you despise liberals, but he was the one whom Jesus described as the one who truly loved his neighbor. => Your unChristian intolerance and criticism of others in Christ is disgusting!!! <=

While you're at it, read the parable of the self-righteous Pharisee and the tax collector.

Luke 18:9-14, "He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and regarded others with contempt: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, was praying thus, ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people: thieves, rogues, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give a tenth of all my income.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven but was beating his breast and saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his home justified rather than the other, for all who exalt themselves will be humbled, but all who humble themselves will be exalted.”

I will continue to oppose your condemnation of your brothers and sisters => whom Christ has accepted <=

Anyone who labels themselves as a Christian liberal and defends that position either does not understand what Christian Liberalism is, or they are in acceptance of those false doctrines (Of which condemns them).

 

[Patrick1966]

Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

I don't know but it's funny to me that this question turned into a 41-page (and counting) argument. What do you think @lforrest?

 

[Jim B]

Please show me where your line of thinking is so. In other words, please show me where baptism is not a requirement by God and where it has clearly ended for us as a part of our faith.

Side Note:

Before you said it was optional (Which is contradictory to this statement). Besides, do you even have a verse or passage that says that says that baptism is optional? My guess is you don’t and you are only going off your own thoughts here.

Side Note 2:

Living out your faith is anything you do for the LORD that He instructs us to do after we are saved by God’s grace. This can be an action that is done right away or something done later down the road (When God brings the right circumstances into play).

Read your Bible!

Here is two examples of your fallacy...

Why weren't all the people that John baptized saved? Why did they need a Savior if water baptism was all that was necessary?

Why didn't Stephen tell the Ethiopian eunuch that he had to be baptized if it was a requirement?

Do you actually, honestly, think that simply being submerged in water is a requirement for salvation??? Really??? Are you that deluded???

 

[Bible Highlighter]

This is just absurd! Why are you wasting people's time with this off-topic garbage?

Anyone can choose a selected source to justify their "truth". Even Satan did that when he met Jesus in the wilderness.

I could just as easily say (with equal justification) that many conservatives tend to turn the Word of God into fables or fictional stories. And anyone who defends Christian conservatism is seriously in trouble with the LORD. It is blatantly obvious that conservatives are rejecting the one true God. -- but that would be stooping to your level of bigotry.

It is obvious that you either have never read the parable of the good Samaritan or simply don't believe it. Samaritans were despised by the Jews, just as you despise liberals, but he was the one whom Jesus described as the one who truly loved his neighbor. => Your unChristian intolerance and criticism of others in Christ is disgusting!!! <=

While you're at it, read the parable of the self-righteous Pharisee and the tax collector.

Luke 18:9-14, "He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and regarded others with contempt: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, was praying thus, ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people: thieves, rogues, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give a tenth of all my income.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven but was beating his breast and saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his home justified rather than the other, for all who exalt themselves will be humbled, but all who humble themselves will be exalted.”

I will continue to oppose your condemnation of your brothers and sisters => whom Christ has accepted <=

Any Christian who labels themselves as conservative and turns a bible story into fictional story or a fable is actually a liberal who falsely trying to use the word conservative to describe themselves.

Do you believe in Darwinian Evolutionism?
Do you believe the flood was local?
Do you believe in the virgin birth?
Do you believe the stories in the Bible are myths and legends and not actual real stories?
Do you believe Jesus was physically resurrected from the dead three days later?
Do you believe Jesus is God who came down into human flesh?
Do you believe in the Trinity or Godhead?
Do you believe we are to obey the precise commands of the LORD In the New Testament or is it more about the general principles?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

I don't know but it's funny to me that this question turned into a 41-page (and counting) argument. What do you think @lforrest?

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The question was asked to show a fallacy that other Christians have. There are Christian groups out there that actually believe water baptism is no longer a requirement.

 

[Jim B]

Any Christian who labels themselves as conservative and turns a bible story into fictional story or a fable is actually a liberal who falsely trying to use the word conservative to describe themselves.

Do you believe in Darwinian Evolutionism?
Do you believe the flood was local?
Do you believe in the virgin birth?
Do you believe the stories in the Bible are myths and legends and not actual real stories?
Do you believe Jesus was physically resurrected from the dead three days later?
Do you believe Jesus is God who came down into human flesh?
Do you believe in the Trinity or Godhead?
Do you believe we are to obey the precise commands of the LORD In the New Testament or is it more about the general principles?

Why do you post this off-topic garbage? Why don't you start a political thread instead of wasting time with this nonsense? Where did you cut-and-paste this junk from? A "phony Christian" conservative web site?

=> I believe what the Bible says, and I also follow the teachings of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ <=

 

[Jim B]

The question was asked to show a fallacy that other Christians have. There are Christian groups out there that actually believe water baptism is no longer a requirement.

It is not a requirement! Who told you that it is?

From now on I will not continue this absurd conversation...

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Read your Bible!

This is not what I asked you. I am asking you to show forth what you believe with Scripture.

Here is two examples of your fallacy...

Why weren't all the people that John baptized saved? Why did they need a Savior if water baptism was all that was necessary?

I am not saying water baptism is necessary for Initial Salvation. I am not even saying it is for salvation exactly, but I do believe it is a requirement because that is what Scripture teaches. Nowhere do we see that water baptism had ended. Even you say it is optional but yet you give no actual Bible reference that this is so.

Why didn't Stephen tell the Ethiopian eunuch that he had to be baptized if it was a requirement?

You mean… Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch.

Anyways, to address your point: Well, there are many requirements God desires of us after we are first initially saved and we are not going to know about all those requirements right away unless we study and or learn. For example: The first two greatest commandments are…

#1. Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength (Mark 12:29-30).​

#2. Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (Mark 12:31).​

Are these commands no longer a requirement because Philip did not bring them up? No.

Side Note: I am not saying one has to be water baptized the moment they are saved. I believe a person can be water baptized many years later. But it is something God requires of us because there is no indication in His Word that it had ended or it was merely optional.

Do you actually, honestly, think that simply being submerged in water is a requirement for salvation??? Really??? Are you that deluded???

Where did I say that water baptism is for salvation?
I did not say such a thing.
What I am saying is that it is a part of living out the faith.

 

[Patrick1966]

Why do you post this off-topic garbage?

 

[Patrick1966]

Ok. I'm out of this one. :)