How to Walk in Righteousness

[APAK]

I’m not completely certain what you mean here.
God accepts men who care for their neighbor at least as much as they care about and for themselves. To do that is to do what is right in Gods eyes. It is to DO righteousness. And if You do what is right, won’t God accept you?
God does not like when the righteous are made sad when He didn’t want them to be sad.

We have some things Very, very wrong concerning Gods judgements.
The first judgement is to honor or shame. It isn’t to life or death because those who have received the down payment of His Spirit will already live forever. The second death has no power over them.
It is the second judgement and the second resurrection that is a judgement to life or death, and some who gave a cup of water to one of His will be welcomed in. If you carefully examine the parable, they had no idea they gave a cup/some kindness to one of His own. They didn’t even know who He was.
Examine the two groups.
The first say, when did I ever see one of yours and give?
The second say, when did I ever see one of yours and NOT give?

The first are those who gave, not because they knew who it was they gave to but because they simply treated others as they would want to be treated. And they are welcomed in.

The second think they know Him but failed to treat others as they would want to be treated.

We have been led astray by our teachers in this matter of judging unbelievers. We are told not to do it but our leaders and some of their systematic junk makes us do the very thing we were warned not to do. So we annul the word of God for the traditions and leaven of those men we call our fathers.

In brief, hopefully, I neglected to mention this in my post, there are times, maybe more often than we think, where a genuine worshipper of God and seeker or unbeliever does righteousness from his own will efforts not for self-worth etc, and really works to please God and then becomes credited with the righteousness of/from God. And Yes, God would accept this individual at that time, with one big caveat. That God would send the message of the Gospel and his Son to him to become reborn, justified and be permanently accepted by the Spirit under and for righteous works. The timing would be of course in God's time, and no other way. Now in that section of Acts, " But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him. "(Acts 10:35) mentioned previously in my post, it is usually described for a genuine believer. With Peter, Cornelius' righteousness was accepted by God and Cornelius was still an unbeliever, and became reborn later. Hindsight is 20/20 of course.

Now it does not always work out that way and if Cornelius' adoration and reverence was not really genuine and he eventually never accepted the gospel and faith in Christ, his righteousness would be viewed as filthy rags indeed. He would be fooling himself as many religionists who profess being a genuine believer are really fakers. This process of God and his interaction with a seeker or not for genuine righteous works of the Spirit is a mystery to us.

Example: I have a neighbor who is a very liberal Jew (reformist) and his life style seem to not exhibit adoration for the God of Abraham, in specific ways, and I cannot really truly judge him of course. Although he does show/exhibit love, kindness, sharing etc., although my Spirit and spirit tells me it is for self-promotion, gain, pride and vanity. If I'm right, do you think that God will accept his own righteous deeds from his own will and pride, of caring, giving etc. I think not! God already knows the heart and then his deeds are worthless to him.

 

[APAK]

You are saying we are not responsible for our own actions and sins...that God is a puppet Master? How long have you embraced Calvinism?

You are trying to punch above your weight here. You have exceeded your level of understanding.

To rightly divide the word you'd have to see that righteousness has more than one level. Even a child can learn to do right. Are you saying God is responsible for children's disobedience...or just adults?

A little uncomfortable with sin are we now...? And no I'm not a label or a Calvinist mate. And God is never a puppet master. Why do you sound so upset that I have faith and believe in the work of Christ and what he did for me on the Cross? I'm still responsible for my infractions and sins of course. Who told you differently. What is different for you is that repentance is a Spiritual influence of the inner man to serve and correct my walk so I learn to become mature in how I walk, in righteousness. Until I repent my walk in momentarily stopped and so is my growth in righteousness living and it also affects my holiness and character in Christ. And when I repent my righteousness is reinstated and my walk of life is better for it....What a great Father we have and a friend in Jesus who save me form my sins and the Father sees me as Christ, in his perfection..Amen

Wow, the responsibility of your sins is all your own you might then say. So Christ's sacrificial act on the Cross did nothing for your sins then? You are the one in charge then?

You are a believer then in the loss of salvation upon executing a sin or so, that one should hate to perform in the first place whilst in the flesh. So you believe it is solely your responsibility to work for it I see and regain credibility with God. Rather than repent and ask God for sincere forgiven and move on.

Now you might be leaning off topic into OSAS or OSNAS territory. Maybe not...

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Example: I have a neighbor who is a very liberal Jew (reformist) and his life style seem to not exhibit adoration for the God of Abraham, in specific ways, and I cannot really truly judge him of course. Although he does show/exhibit love, kindness, sharing etc., although my Spirit and spirit tells me it is for self-promotion, gain, pride and vanity. If I'm right, do you think that God will accept his own righteous deeds from his own will and pride, of caring, giving etc. I think not! God already knows the heart and then his deeds are worthless to him.

So I think you are saying he doesn’t seem to you to show love for God but seems to treat others well? But somehow, you suspect he doesnt treat others well because he thinks It is right to do so but instead treats Others well because of pride?

 

[APAK]

So I think you are saying he doesn’t seem to you to show love for God but seems to treat others well? But somehow, you suspect he doesnt treat others well because he thinks It is right to do so but instead treats Others well because of pride?

Sort of right..I think you have the gist of it.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

And when I repent my righteousness is reinstated

I’m trying to grasp what your mind is doing…
Were you the one who earlier stated that repentance was not doing the right thing/righteousness?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Sort of right..I think you have the gist of it.

Okay. And what about him do you see as evidence that he is treating others as he would want to be treated out of pride rather than because he feels it is right to do so?

 

[Episkopos]

Obedience.

Isaiah 64 reminded me of the 10 virgins and the 5 who let their lights run out.
Even though they fell asleep, they did repent and try to get more oil before the master got to the gate.
If they had listened like the wise ones, they wouldn't feel that they had failed. Their "righteousness" was a dirty rags.
Their willing to do as they're told, for their own good mind you, obedience.
I beliieve Jesus's righteousness, Mercy and Truth, will see the effort made to make things right (Repent) when they realized they dropped the ball.
Both Truth that they repented and Mercy because I believe Jesus will forgive them.

Ten Virgins:

Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.
Isa 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Isa 64:7
And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.
Isa 64:8
But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
Isa 64:9
Be not wroth very sore, O LORD, neither remember iniquity for ever: behold, see, we beseech thee, we are all thy people.

Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways... these be the 5 wise ones.
behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned.... these be the foolish ones.
in those is continuance.. the ones who give warning, go get more oil....
and we shall be saved. and because they listened and did what they were told.

I don't think Jesus will fire the 5 who fell asleep. I think perturbed, and even angry because what if they couldn't find their way back?
Angry for a moment, and then forgiveness and mercy and grace.

Because all 10 virgins belong to the master of the house. And I'm pretty sure he would love them all, disappointed maybe..

Obedience isn't something you do for yourself, it's something you do for the one you love and care for.
If ye Love me.....

It's that IF word....
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[MatthewG]

@Episkopos your video teaching was okay for the most part, some of the things you said seemed a little off, and when it comes to a second level; I believe this means and is talking about raising with Christ who is a persons righteous in which by faith people believe and have hope, he is the righteousness one will seek out and they will be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ and by the spirit of Christ within will perform and do righteous which are of the will of God. His ways, are what we learn from and what his commandments are. However even in perusing righteousness that doesn’t give one power over another that is for certain; or to look at themselves as they are better than others. It is Christ and his righteousness that is carried over into the hearts and minds of Christians who seek our God in faith, and Christ by the spirit comes forth in abiding in Him, which leads to doing and performing the work God gives you to do being lead by the spirit in faith. God gives the spirit which leads towards good things, and things that are right, and honorable, and just are things to seek after.

 

[APAK]

I’m trying to grasp what your mind is doing…
Were you the one who earlier stated that repentance was not doing the right thing/righteousness?

I think you have the wrong person on that point SBG. Although on that point repentance must be required if convicted of sin either to someone else or God and of course that would stifle your walk of righteousness of course...even though only momentarily...

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Yes repentance is never an act of righteousness. The act of repentance by/from faith to God produces the fruit of righteousness.

Here, I found it.
“Repentance is never an act of righteousness.”

 

[APAK]

Okay. And what about him do you see as evidence that he is treating others as he would want to be treated out of pride rather than because he feels it is right to do so?

Evidence? And these are not human feelings that I'm basing it on either as they can be fleeting and unpredictable. And yes he does not discriminate, he performs the same towards others the same way.

It is all about spirit discernment SBG...

I'm a believer SBG and I can discern other human spirits quite well. I believe it is a gift. And I've had it for many years now. Most believers I would say do have this same gift. If over time you get the same reading well you have to come to a decision. If it's called judging then so be it. A believer has to know the company around them.

I need to hit the sack now SBG...later then

 

[Lizbeth]

This is false. The whole world is under the influence of the devil...especially the religious institutions that are used to justify the flesh. But God so LOVED the world. Your religious gospel has God so HATING the world that everyone is under wrath unless they agree with your dogmatic indoctrination. Very dangerous stuff.

I depend on you to misrepresent God at every turn.

Bible: "I, the Lord, create good and evil." "It is I who have created the Destroyer to work havoc."

Loving the world doesn't mean not punishing it. Yet he sent His Son that whoever would believe on him would not be subject to His wrath in the end. Seeing the world as it is, serves as a warning to all. And suffering helps to prepare hearts to be willing/ready to receive Him, those who will.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Evidence? And these are not human feelings that I'm basing it on either as they can be fleeting and unpredictable. And yes he does not discriminate, he performs the same towards others the same way.

It is all about spirit discernment SBG...

I'm a believer SBG and I can discern other human spirits quite well. I believe it is a gift. And I've had it for many years now. Most believers I would say do have this same gift. If over time you get the same reading well you have to come to a decision. If it's called judging then so be it. A believer has to know the company around them.

I need to hit the sack now SBG...later then

Okay. But…you said earlier, “I can’t know his heart” and “I think” and “if I am right.” Which indicates to me you aren’t certain about that discernment.

But I think you are confusing doing the right thing to others/righteousness with holiness.
You can treat your neighbor at least as well as you treat and care for yourself and not be holy/completely pure of heart. That’s where I am currently. And even some unbelievers are capable of doing that right to their neighbor. It’s true that they aren’t perfect, but that doesn’t negate the fact that they care for others at least as much as they care for themselves.

The one tablet is concerning righteousness/caring for your neighbor at least as much as yourself.
The other tablet is loving God with ALL your heart. Man isn’t capable of that. Gods very own love has to somehow be given to the man for him to do that. I haven’t yet experienced that kind of purity.

 

[Episkopos]

Here, I found it.
“Repentance is never an act of righteousness.”

As in..."repentance is never the right thing to do." With counsel like that no wonder the church is in the state its in. It's repentance proof. That's why we see all the misrepresentations of God and the gospel here.

 

[Patrick1966]

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[stunnedbygrace]

I think I spoke wrong earlier, in this thread or the other one. (I realized it when I was talking with APAK). I said I was “a really bad case.” But that was back when I still didn’t have a firm grip on righteousness vs holiness and would always be getting confused again between them.
Compared to other men, I wasn’t such a bad case. Not the best case but neither the worst.
But I was seeing the motions of my heart, the anger and resentment and pettinesses in my heart. I was seeing the inside of my cup and it was not pure. And because I was seeing that, I was somewhat like APAK, thinking everyone else had those hidden motions too. But now that I’ve known the calming of my passions/flesh, I see that I couldn’t have known if everyone was as bad inside as me. And your threads are proof of that. Because others can see me as awful and angry and bitter and very bad of heart motive when I’m not angry and bitter any more. My heart is still not holy and I still see motions toward in it but they don’t get off the ground .
I guess I’m saying my flesh is still there, but greatly subdued and in subjection. But others can’t see that, so they assume when they are angry I am angry, when they are offended I am offended. And that’s how I used to think too…

 

[Patrick1966]

I think I spoke wrong earlier, in this thread or the other one. (I realized it when I was talking with APAK). I said I was “a really bad case.” But that was back when I still didn’t have a firm grip on righteousness vs holiness and would always be getting confused again between them.
Compared to other men, I wasn’t such a bad case. Not the best case but neither the worst.
But I was seeing the motions of my heart, the anger and resentment and pettinesses in my heart. I was seeing the inside of my cup and it was not pure. And because I was seeing that, I was somewhat like APAK, thinking everyone else had those hidden motions too. But now that I’ve known the calming of my passions/flesh, I see that I couldn’t have known if everyone was as bad inside as me. And your threads are proof of that. Because others can see me as awful and angry and bitter and very bad of heart motive when I’m not angry and bitter any more. My heart is still not holy and I still see motions toward in it but they don’t get off the ground .
I guess I’m saying my flesh is still there, but greatly subdued and in subjection. But others can’t see that, so they assume when they are angry I am angry, when they are offended I am offended. And that’s how I used to think too…

Great post!

I love the camaraderie and fellowship here. I much prefer to hang out with guys like you rather than anyone else! As a sinner that struggles with sin, I relate more to the unrighteous. :)

 

[Episkopos]

Great post!

I love the camaraderie and fellowship here. I much prefer to hang out with guys like you rather than anyone else! As a sinner that struggles with sin, I relate more to the unrighteous. :)

Are you saying you are uncomfortable claiming to be as righteous as God even as you realize you are a sinner? There are many here who would try to convince you that believing a certain religiously flavoured gospel turns any sinfulness or unrighteousness magically into the very righteousness of God. Even though all evidence points to the contrary.

How are you unaffected by the Great Delusion that came as a "reformation" that threw out 1,500 of apostolic doctrine?

Are you Catholic? Orthodox?

 

[Patrick1966]

Are you saying you are uncomfortable claiming to be as righteous as God even as you realize you are a sinner? There are many here who would try to convince you that believing a certain religiously flavoured gospel turns any sinfulness or unrighteousness magically into the very righteousness of God. Even though all evidence points to the contrary.

How are you unaffected by the Great Delusion that came as a "reformation" that threw out 1,500 of apostolic doctrine?

Are you Catholic? Orthodox?

I am 56 years of age and was raised Catholic and remained that way until I started reading the Bible and then renounced Catholicism 6 years ago.

I believe that I am a sinner and I am a "slave to sin" as Jesus discussed but that I am forgiven and saved because of my faith in Jesus and the sacrifice that he made for ALL people.

I enjoy "flawed" people like myself, perhaps because I can better relate to them. As Jesus said, he came for the sinners and not the righteous. :)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Great post!

I love the camaraderie and fellowship here. I much prefer to hang out with guys like you rather than anyone else! As a sinner that struggles with sin, I relate more to the unrighteous. :)

That’s not a thing you hear often…! That you can relate to sinners because you are one.