Are you a Jew who made alijah to YisraEl, or a Goy who decided to make his stay in the holy land/gevul kadosh?
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What does it mean to be born again?
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mailmandan
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Apparently there seems to be 3 different interpretations to 1 John 3:9.
1. No one who is born of God [deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] practices sin.
2. No one who is born of God (the born again spirit) ever sins.
3. No one who is born of God ever sins at all in the body. (sinless perfection)
Interesting, also, in Rom 7 there is still a debate among the scholars if this is Paul, the unregenerate man, or Paul the born from above.
Arminian, Pelagian, Reformed, and a host of others.
I would go with 2, however, having said that, we are still in the flesh.
Or, we can ask a rabbi, and give us 150 different interpretations on one verse. According to the Oral, Midrash, Mishna, ancient rabbinical writings, etc. ect. in the Shmo of ben...in the Shmo of ben...
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Behold
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Thank you for the Question.
I'm Neither, actually.
Im a new creation in Christ.
Paul teaches..
""""There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."""
My Home is in Netanya, Israel .
This is about 40 miles north of Tel Aviv, located on the Mediterranean Sea coast.
Here is my City and my shofar.
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Are you Messianic? Shunned by the community?
And I simply love the shofar. There are different kinds/types, have to look the names up.
Behold
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Paul said you are not in the flesh but in the spirit, if Christ is in you.
Your "debate" is with Him.
Also Its debatable whether Christ is in anyone who teaches that Christians are supposed to "sin and repeat".., unless they are just deceived by the devil and are become His ministry tool.
Paul says they are "bewitched".
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Here is the Upper Room, in case you have not been to the Old City.- and are curious.
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Behold
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The religious jews hate Messianic Believers, or Christians in general.
How could they not hate us when they rejected their messiah and we love Yeshua.
Nothing has changed regarding Hebrews 10:26.
Its the same issue with the '2023 Hebrews as it was then, in Paul's day.
They'll happily "trod underfoot" "willfully" the blood of Jesus the Grace of God and the Cross of Christ, 24/7.
ScottA
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Yes, it's as if three different people all catch only part of a movie at different points or each read one different chapter in a book, and then each gives a report. Each one sees it differently, because what they are looking at or reading is indeed different because it's limited. Then each one quotes their favorite line, as if their tunnel vision approach was more true than another, causing arguments about a story which has no such difference. The difference is them.
This is why I have stressed the importance of taking times out of the equation, meaning no one line or perspective even qualifies as a full report of the material. I have elaborated, but most can't even imagine--and yet seeing all as one, is the way of God. Granted, that means a complete renewing of the mind. Meanwhile, we argue. Foolishly.
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Behold
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#2.....This is the final answer.
How do you know?
Its because the "SON/Daughter" of God, is : """ IN CHRIST."""
Now look down, reader.
See your feet?
Body?
Where is that?
Its not in Christ....
See it?
So, the born again Spirit in IN CHRIST, "seated in heavenly places".
No sin found there...... = 1 John 3:9
and your body, is "dead because of sin"... and there are no dead bodies, "in Christ".
Not even one.
Not even "allah"...
2Co 10:3 For though walking in basar, we war not according to the basar,
For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh.
Reason why they should regard him 'beseeching' them (2Co_10:2) not to oblige him to have recourse to "bold" exercise of authority. "We walk IN the flesh," and so in weakness; but not "ACCORDING TO the flesh" (2Co_10:2): though we WALK in it, we do not WAR according to it. A double contrast. They had better not put us to the proof that we neither walk nor war according to the flesh.
...and then...
For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh—
though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more:
no longer as a bondservant but more than a bondservant, as a beloved brother—especially to me, but how much more to you, both in the flesh and in the Lord.
But then..
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,
And then....
Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,
And so...
so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions but for the will of God.
I shall not go into the grammatical construction.
Foolishly indeed, so we are sinless, in word, thought and deed Scott?
If so, I am falling way, way behind you and Marks my brother and as @Behold says, I might not be born again,
Behold
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See that verse?
It means, even tho you are down here in a dying body, we do not fight the good fight of faith with our willpower. "in the FLESH"
We put on the whole armor.
You are trying to fight a spiritual battle in the flesh.
And that is why you can't win.
Episkopos and Randy Kulth will keep you nailed to your flesh. as will 1stCenturyLady and a few others on the forum.
See, the "weapons of our WARFARE are not CARNAL (.trying to be good, trying to do works, trying not to sin)....but they are SPIRITUAL.
J, you are in a gun-fight and all you brought were your commentaries and your wrong belief system.
You seemed determined to keep it, and so, you'll stay in the same trap.
There's still a remnant who have not bow their knees to Baalim.
Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Ever heard of rabbi Tovia Singer? Michael Brown?
Behold
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Its the LAW that defines a sinner as a sinner.
"had i not known the LAW i would not have known SIN".....Paul told you.
"The Law is the power of sin." "the strength of SIN>..is the LAW"...
"Christ came to redeems us from the curse of the law"
The born again, are not under the Law". "but under GRACE".
Christ became our sin, and the born again are "made righteous".
You came to God as a llfe long SINNER.
When God saved you, Christ became ALL your sin.
He still is, on the Cross...... 2000 yrs ago.
yesterday, today, and forever., your sin bearer.....as "Jesus is the one time eternal sacrifice for all sin".
"all".
yesterday, today, tomorrow
This is why God does not charge sin to any believer.
Romans 4:8
2 Corinthians 5:19
And that is the "word of reconciliation" that you are supposed to be sharing, but instead you are sharing the OPPOSITE.
So, whose minister are you, J?
When you find out, that will be a reality check for you.
ScottA
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I have already explained.
You are looking at sin and flesh as the measure of salvation.
It's not. Christ who is perfect is the measure. It is He in you who is sinless, if He is in you. You on the other hand, as all "who are alive (in the spirit) and remain (in the flesh), have yet to fulfill your sentence for which the wages of sin is death. So what--does God count yesterday, today, and tomorrow as you count them? No, but rather "the same." Is that not what is written, and can you not apply it to being saved in the midst of your life in this world--can you not be of the same mind of God in this matter?
Many cannot, and thus speak against Christ and God.
Who said I am using my own will power? I am relying on the Holy Spirit. See, I'm cordial with you, polite, being nice, evidence of the fruit of the Spirit.
No, no, Epi and Randy are not my teachers, and yes, correct, I cannot go to warfare in the sarx, if I do, I'll be dead.
No, I'm not trying to be good, that would be futility, vanity upon vanities.
No, no gun fight, the battle belongs to the Lord, not me. My selective commentaries is sound, just as the Messianic community are also reading rabbinical commentaries, that I know for a fact.
J.
That's an unfair assumption on your part brother, not what I would have expected.
I am saved, so I'm sinless, in word, thought and deed, incapable of committing an act of sin, yes?
Who am I to dare speak against God and Christ, I am still not "with you" as to the "time aspect" and as I have read Pilgrims Progress, AFTER his sins rolled away, a name change to Christian, how many "times" did Christian still made mistakes?
Or shall I cast that classic behind me. Again, I don't see scriptures, @Behold definitely is "working" with the Scriptures and that I can respect.
What about the Corinthian ekklesia?
Where is sound, biblical doctrines to be found? Brother, don't, don't misunderstand, making assumptions on how I view salvation pertaining to the flesh, or cause me confusion, the Lord knows me.
A straightforward question to you. Are you sinless in word, thought and deed Scott?
Terrific question! Of whom it was written,
1 Corinthians 1:4-9 KJV
4) I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
5) That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;
6) Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
7) So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
8) Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9) God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
Yes, of Corinth's church.
Much love!
Marks, something is wrong here, and I am going to ask you the same question as I did Scott, are you sinless in word, thought and deed?
If in the affirmative, then it stands to reason I am NOT born from above, so what am I doing here?
My life was RADICALLY transformed the day Christ came into my heart and I have never shared any of my testimonies here, I ask you with meekness, since I refuse to be indoctrinated again, are you sinless, in word, thought and deed in a day, a week, a year?
See that conditional clause? That ye may be....?
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