Michiah-Imla
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Take heed:
“…thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” (Romans 11:20-21)
Take heed!
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Take heed:
“…thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” (Romans 11:20-21)
Take heed!
Ronald Nolette
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Never! Jesus was, is and will always be my holiness and righteousness. My good deeds are not to keep what God gave me and keeps in heaven reserved for me.
God works do nothing more than show we are saved and are holy- not to maintain, keep or advance holiness. God has already made me holy in position, now in practice He is conforming me to what He has made me.
It is Jesus who will perform that good work in me- not myself. sin does not make me less holy, nor does a life of righteousness make me more holy!
Ronald Nolette
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Michiah-Imla
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is the response to direct quotations from the Bible.
Very well…
“So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels. Oh that my people had hearkened unto me, and Israel had walked in my ways!” (Psalms 81:12-13)
Michiah-Imla
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Can’t you read?!
“…because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” (Romans 11:20-21)
The Bible itself threatens with loss of salvation!!
This is in response to Johann. So let's quote the verse from the KJB in its context and see what Paul is saying:
ROMANS 6: SIN SHALL NOT HAVE DOMINION OVER YOU (v 14)
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
When you read this entire passage, you can see that Paul's presumption is that a saint can in fact sin, but because he or she has believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, and therefore has the indwelling Holy Spirit, the sin nature does not have dominion or authority over the believer. Also when a sinner repents, that person becomes the servant of Christ, hence the "servant of righteousness", and is no longer the servant of his sin nature. [Note: Paul uses the word "sin" for the sin nature]
Does this mean that a Christian will never sin? Absolutely not. Yet "Behold" is distorting the truth by suggesting that "being made free from sin" equals sinless perfection and "you don't believe this yet" if you sin and confess your sins. So there is no doubt that by distorting this teaching, "Behold" is in fact sinning, and perverting Gospel truth.
The apostle John makes it crystal clear in his first epistle that Christians can and do sin and must deal with their present sins (and confession is a part of that). But "Behold" is giving people the false doctrine of Hyper Grace, that no Christian should ever be sinning nor confessing his sins. That you do not have to deal with you present sins.
Michiah-Imla
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“We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.” (1 John 5:18)
“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil” (1 John 3:10)
I’ll take the word of God over the word of @Enoch111
There’s no one who would have the body of Christ without discernment of who’s children people are than the Devil.
I'm aware of this @Enoch111 and thank you, also there is a heretical teaching that our Lord Christ Jesus became sin in a LITERAL sense, sin personified, which is contrary to scripture.
But when I do give the correct meaning, using extra biblical resources/sources, on...
2Co_5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
...I get slam dunked for using "commentaries" or sources, so we have two erroneous teachings from one person, not using any scholarly input, not interested in studying.
I confess my sins on a daily basis, realizing I am falling short of the holy standard of God, that's where sanctification comes in.
Sinless perfectionism is rampant everywhere on this Forum, unfortunately, my bible says no, and my sources says no.
God bless brother.
J.
Michiah-Imla
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You got the wrong Bible.
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin… he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1 John 3:9)
You sin every day?
“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” (Romans 6:1-2)
Living in sin every day?
So Christ died and suffered a horrible death so you could sin everyday freely without consequences?
Oooookay….
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Michiah-Imla
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When does it kick in?
When does it end your sinning ways?
How many sins?
How long you been sinning?
As far as I can tell “sanctification” is a word perverted by sinners who are disguised as Christians who serve their sinful flesh. Their definition of sanctification seems to be = license to sin while wearing the Holy badge.
Michiah-Imla
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@Johann
Can you magine?
A person can lie and steal everyday and then legitimately say that they are a Christian according the sin defenders in here.
A person can fornicate and murder every week and then legitimately say that they are a Christian according the sin defenders in here.
And on and on…
And you have no right to judge them because you have held the truth in unrighteousness yourself.
It’s Amazing that you can’t see the harm your sayings cause in the faith.
It’s disgusting actually!
Can you magine?
A person can lie and steal everyday and then legitimately say that they are a Christian according the sin defenders in here.
A person can fornicate and murder every week and then legitimately say that they are a Christian according the sin defenders in here.
And on and on…
And you have no right to judge them because you have held the truth in unrighteousness yourself.
It’s Amazing that you can’t see the harm your sayings cause in the faith.
It’s disgusting actually!
Don't be a hypocrite, living in a state of sin, as opposing to a believer's committing acts of sin[not habitually] is totally different, don't you sin in words, thoughts and deeds?You got the wrong Bible.
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin… he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1 John 3:9)
You sin every day?
“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” (Romans 6:1-2)
Living in sin every day?
So Christ died and suffered a horrible death so you could sin everyday freely without consequences?
Oooookay….
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This kind of mischaracterization reflects your own frustration in combating a view that I don't see that you understand. No one here argues for some supposed license to sin, and no one is defending their supposed right to sin.
You are arguing for a "one step" immediate and full cessation of sin, while others argue that there is a time process in completing the renewing of the mind, which may last one's entire life.
Turning that into what you've been describing of others isn't right.
Your misrepresentation of others is not righteousness.
Much love!
mailmandan
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1 John 1:8 - if we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
Gill answers powerfully....if I don't find encouragement here, I am always encouraged by the Scriptures.
If we say that we have no sin,.... Notwithstanding believers are cleansed from their sins by the blood of Christ, yet they are not without sin; no man is without sin: this is not only true of all men, as they come into the world, being conceived in sin, and shapen in iniquity, and of all that are in a state of unregeneracy, and of God's elect, while in such a state, but even of all regenerated and sanctified persons in this life; as appears by the ingenuous confessions of sin made by the saints in all ages;
by their complaints concerning it, and groans under it; by the continual war in them between flesh and spirit; and by their prayers for the discoveries of pardoning grace, and for the fresh application of Christ's blood for cleansing; by their remissness in the discharge of duty, and by their frequent slips and falls, and often backslidings: and though their sins are all pardoned, and they are justified from all things by the righteousness of Christ, yet they are not without sin; though they are freed from the guilt of sin, and are under no obligation to punishment on account of it, yet not from the being of it; their sins were indeed transferred from them to Christ, and he has bore them, and took them and put them away, and they are redeemed from them, and are acquitted, discharged, and pardoned, so that sin is not imputed to them, and God sees no iniquity in them in the article of justification; and also, their iniquities are caused to pass from them, as to the guilt of them, and are taken out of their sight, and they have no more conscience of them, having their hearts sprinkled and purged by the blood of Jesus, and are clear of all condemnation, the curse of the law, the wrath of God, or the second death, by reason of them; yet pardon of sin, and justification from it, though they take away the guilt of sin, and free from obligation to punishment,
yet they do not take out the being of sin, or cause it to cease to act, or do not make sins cease to be sins, or change the nature of actions, of sinful ones, to make them harmless, innocent, or indifferent; the sins of believers are equally sins with other persons, are of the same kind and nature, and equally transgressions of the law, and many of them are attended with more aggravating circumstances, and are taken notice of by God, and resented by him, and for which he chastises his people in love: now though a believer may say that he has not this or that particular sin, or is not guilty of this or that sin, for he has the seeds of all sin in him, yet he cannot say he has no sin; and though he may truly say he shall have no sin, for in the other state the being and principle of sin will be removed, and the saints will be perfectly holy in themselves, yet he cannot, in this present life, say that he is without it: if any of us who profess to be cleansed from sin by the blood of Christ should affirm this,
we deceive ourselves; such persons must be ignorant of themselves, and put a cheat upon themselves, thinking themselves to be something when they are nothing; flattering themselves what pure and holy creatures they are, when there is a fountain of sin and wickedness in them; these are self-deceptions, sad delusions, and gross impositions upon themselves:
and the truth is not in us; it is a plain case the truth of grace is not in such persons, for if there was a real work of God upon their souls, they would know and discern the plague of their own hearts, the impurity of their nature, and the imperfection of their obedience; nor is the word of truth in them, for if that had an entrance into them, and worked effectually in them, they would in the light of it discover much sin and iniquity in them; and indeed there is no principle of truth, no veracity in them; there is no sincerity nor ingenuity in them; they do not speak honestly and uprightly, but contrary to the dictates of their own conscience.
Gill
Thank you brother, even when I go wrong, you don't condemn, but encourage, same with @marks, a real brother in Christ, appreciate you both.
J.
No Scripture ....lol....your practiced, patented and lame answer to everything.....I just gave you NINE chapters ....wise up and read then before you take Chapter10 out of context again—-and if course you won’t....thank God you at “ least” make an excellent “ Springboard” to get the Truth Of the Gospel Of Grace out there for the Newbie that hopefully haven’t been ruined like you are.....
Michiah-Imla
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No.
I read and meditate on the word of God.
People who stop reading the Bible end up having a wrong, unbiblical, understanding of what sin is.
Michiah-Imla
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But nobody has ever completed it!
That’s my point!
Some of you probably have many years in the faith but never say that your sanctification process is completed.
BECAUSE IT’S A LIE!
YOU EITHER SERVE SIN, OR SERVE GOD!
“Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.” (John 8:34)
Michiah-Imla
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