Where’s the outrage?

[theefaith]

No outrage equals a double standard!

(so-called reformation)

That’s called rebellion not reformation!
No authority to start new churches Matt 16:18 only Christ has this authority
He is the only mediator!

Where is your outrage on this gross attempt to usurp His authority, the authority of him being the only mediator?????????

Where’s the biblical mandate for a reformation
Christ founded the one true church and it cannot be reformed

divine revelation is from God and is immutable cannot be reformed

it is the truth!

what authority did the so-called reformers have?

They admit that they have no authority themselves for they say the Bible is the only authority!

they have no authority to say that the Bible is the only authority, but in saying it they admit freely that they have no authority, only the apostles have authority!

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

To admit belief in the reformation is to admit that the Catholic Church is the one true church of Jesus Christ founded on Peter, the apostles, and their successors!
Matt 16:18 Jn 10:16

Again where is the outrage against these interlopers!

 

[theefaith]

You know something, you also are right!

 

[Matthias]

MIA

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

The Bible shows there is one body (church) and one faith, Eph 4:4-5. Paul reminded the Corinthians he espoused them to ONE husband Jesus Christ, 2 Cor 11:2. And that one husband Jesus Christ has ONE bride the church of the NT, the body of Christ, Eph 5:23. Christ is not a spiritual adulterer, He is not a spiritual polygamist with thousands of brides that go by thousands of contradicting faiths.

The NT gives a history through the first century of that one body and the one faith it followed. Having read the NT many many times myself, I see nothing in the NT that resembles Protestant denominationalism, just as as see nothing in that NT that remotely resembles Catholicism. Reason being Catcism came into existence centuries after Acts 2 by apostates who did not remain fauthful to that one faith found in the NT. Very odd Catholicism cannot even be found in the NT at all if it were that one church of the NT. In reality, Catholicism is nothing more than a man made denomination itself, older than most, but follows man-made teachings not found in the NT as other denominations do.


I've debated with Catholics over the years and found thay are unable to defend Catholic tradition from the Bible alone, they need Catholic tradition to 'prove' their teachings and are trapped in a vicious circle.....where did Catholic tradition come from? Catholicism. Where did Catholicism come from? Catholic tradition. But where did Catholic tradition come from? Catholicism. But where did Catholicism come from? Catholic tradition....and on and on.


Catholicism/Catholic tradition developed from itself with no connection to the NT, it's an invention of man-made ideas with no Divine authority behind it, in other words, it is no different from other man-made denominations.

 

[Dropship]

Regarding the various beliefs of assorted denominations-

 

[Jim B]

No outrage equals a double standard!

(so-called reformation)

That’s called rebellion not reformation!
No authority to start new churches Matt 16:18 only Christ has this authority
He is the only mediator!

Where is your outrage on this gross attempt to usurp His authority, the authority of him being the only mediator?????????

Where’s the biblical mandate for a reformation
Christ founded the one true church and it cannot be reformed

divine revelation is from God and is immutable cannot be reformed

it is the truth!

what authority did the so-called reformers have?

They admit that they have no authority themselves for they say the Bible is the only authority!

they have no authority to say that the Bible is the only authority, but in saying it they admit freely that they have no authority, only the apostles have authority!

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

To admit belief in the reformation is to admit that the Catholic Church is the one true church of Jesus Christ founded on Peter, the apostles, and their successors!
Matt 16:18 Jn 10:16

Again where is the outrage against these interlopers!

The Catholic Church is not the one true church of Jesus Christ founded on Peter, the apostles, and their successors!

a) There is no mention of the Catholic church in Scripture. It is a made up term.
b) The Orthodox church can make the same claim, with just as much (or as little) validity.
c) The first church was composed entirely of Jews. Jews are not Catholics!
d) Peter was called "Satan" by Jesus. He also called a stumbling block, and he denied Jesus three times.

Matthew 16:21-23, "From that time on, Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and undergo great suffering at the hands of the elders and chief priests and scribes and be killed and on the third day be raised. And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying, “God forbid it, Lord! This must never happen to you.” But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, for you are setting your mind not on divine things but on human things.”

The one true church is the body of Jesus Christ. All Christians, not just one denomination.

When are you going to stop writing this stuff???

 

[Matthias]

The Catholic Church is not the one true church of Jesus Christ founded on Peter, the apostles, and their successors!

a) There is no mention of the Catholic church in Scripture. It is a made up term.
b) The Orthodox church can make the same claim, with just as much (or as little) validity.
c) The first church was composed entirely of Jews. Jews are not Catholics!
d) Peter was called "Satan" by Jesus. He also called a stumbling block, and he denied Jesus three times.

Matthew 16:21-23, "From that time on, Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and undergo great suffering at the hands of the elders and chief priests and scribes and be killed and on the third day be raised. And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying, “God forbid it, Lord! This must never happen to you.” But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, for you are setting your mind not on divine things but on human things.”

The one true church is the body of Jesus Christ. All Christians, not just one denomination.

When are you going to stop writing this stuff???

* He hasn’t visited the board since November 21, 2022 *

 

[M3n0r4h]

The bitter outrage between the eastern and western catholic groups dates back to 1204, when western crusaders who were on the way to the Levant to fight against the muslims, decided to sack Constantinople and rape and pillage their fellow Christian believers. Prior to that, dating back to the late 2nd century, Victor, Bishop of Rome wrote a letter to Polycrates, bishop of Ephesus and threatened to excommunicate all the congregations of Asia Minor (Turkey) over the issue of how Easter was to be celebrated. Were it not for the intervention of Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyon, the great schism may have occurred around the 180s CE/AD. The other bishops always gave the bishop of Rome primacy of place in any of their meetings, but he only had one vote at those councils. Remember that Christianity only became decriminalized in 313 when the Edict of Milan was issued by Constantine. In 800, Pope Leo III crowned Charlemagne as the Holy Roman Emperor because of issues affecting the western church and Leo's authority. However, the eastern empire survived almost a millennia longer than the western empire, because the west had become a corrupt backwater dating back to the reign of Constantine. In 1054, the final split between east and west was officially declared, with both church groups excommunicating each other. Although both groups had issues, the issues in the western Roman church were more egregious than those in the eastern church and empire, and those problems led to even more fracture of the Church of Christ during the reformation. Interestingly enough, the eastern church never had a reformation. So, even if Peter was the 'first pope,' regardless of the claim that most early lists of bishops of Rome show Linus as the first, it is blatantly obvious that the western Roman Catholic Church veered far off the course millennia ago.

 

[Behold]

No outrage equals a double standard!

God isn't a Catholic.
Jesus didn't create the "Mother Church".
Mary is not a Perpetual Virgin.
Peter is not the "1st Pope"
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The official Title of the CC, in about 5ad was..

"the Cult of Mary"...

"mary is not going to meet you at your death", theefaith

Water Baptism didn't wash away your sin, @theefaith.

 

[Behold]

Regarding the various beliefs of assorted denominations-

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[Behold]

Regarding the various beliefs of assorted denominations-

Dropship,

Let look at this verse, for clarification, so that we see what is being taught to the Body of Christ, as your verse from Matthew, is being taught to Jews - Pharisees, before Jesus died on the Cross.

Here you go.. as these are given to the Body of Christ. (The Church).

Ephesians 4:11-16​

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11 And He gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;​

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12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

 

[CC7799]

The Catholic Church is not the one true church of Jesus Christ founded on Peter, the apostles, and their successors!

a) There is no mention of the Catholic church in Scripture. It is a made up term.
b) The Orthodox church can make the same claim, with just as much (or as little) validity.
c) The first church was composed entirely of Jews. Jews are not Catholics!
d) Peter was called "Satan" by Jesus. He also called a stumbling block, and he denied Jesus three times.

Matthew 16:21-23, "From that time on, Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and undergo great suffering at the hands of the elders and chief priests and scribes and be killed and on the third day be raised. And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying, “God forbid it, Lord! This must never happen to you.” But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, for you are setting your mind not on divine things but on human things.”

The one true church is the body of Jesus Christ. All Christians, not just one denomination.

When are you going to stop writing this stuff???

Thank you. Told the truth. Documentation.
Peace. Excellent job !!

 

[Jack]

We have thousands of churches that call themselves 'Christian' with drastically different beliefs! People pay a terrible price going to church instead of staying home and reading the Bible! They would rather listen to a minister of Satan. LAZY! The price is Hell fire.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness,

 

[Marymog]

We have thousands of churches that call themselves 'Christian' with drastically different beliefs! People pay a terrible price going to church instead of staying home and reading the Bible! They would rather listen to a minister of Satan. LAZY! The price is Hell fire.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness,

Matthew 18:17

 

[Jericho]

To admit belief in the reformation is to admit that the Catholic Church is the one true church of Jesus Christ founded on Peter, the apostles, and their successors!
Matt 16:18 Jn 10:16

You're about 500 years too late to make this case. I know Catholics have taken that verse and ran with it, but I don't see a clear sucession, much less turning it into an organization. Jesus is the high priest, the mediator between man and God. We can go directly to Him. We don't need a priest or pope to do that.

The bitter outrage between the eastern and western catholic groups dates back to 1204, when western crusaders who were on the way to the Levant to fight against the muslims, decided to sack Constantinople and rape and pillage their fellow Christian believers.

Some more context: On the way to Jerusalem, the majority of the crusader leadership entered into an agreement with Byzantine prince Alexios Angelos to divert to Constantinople to help him restore his disposed father as emperor. In return, the crusaders would be given financial and military support to take Jerusalem. Alexios Angels was crowned as co-emperor with the support of the crusaders, but he was quickly ousted from power during an uprising within Constantinople and murdered a short time later. This left the crusaders without their promised payment. In frustration, the crusaders ended up sacking Constantinople. The Western Europeans and the Byzantines never really got along. The Romans viewed the Greeks as decadent, while the Orthodox Greeks held Rome's Latin Catholicism in contempt.

 

[Matthias]

He [Christ] is the only mediator!

What is the difference between a mediator and a mediatrix?

 

[Behold]

What is the difference between a mediator and a mediatrix?

A False Man made religion, falsely defines the mother of Jesus as : "co-author of Salvation".

So, that is Jesus as the Mediator,...... and Mary as the Mediatrix.

 

[Matthias]

A False Man made religion, falsely defines the mother of Jesus as : "co-author of Salvation".

So, that is Jesus as the Mediator,...... and Mary as the Mediatrix.

That’s a common non-Catholic answer, but there’s more to it than that. I’m looking for a Catholic tesponse.

 

[Behold]

That’s a common non-Catholic answer, but there’s more to it than that. I’m looking for a Catholic tesponse.

My answer is the Catholic answer.

So, what you want is for a "cult of mary" to show up and teach their Mary Doctrine, by defending it.
Well, thats one way to Sell it.

I can offer you this, as this is the Catholic Perspective..

"""""""why we insist that she has a continuing redemptive and mediatory role. We believe this because Mary’s role was not once and done. Mary did not conceive and bear Jesus, then just disappear.""""""

 

[Matthias]

My answer is the Catholic answer.

I don’t think any Catholic would confirm that it is.

So, what you want is for a "cult of mary" to show up and teach their Mary Doctrine, by defending it.
Well, thats one way to Sell it.

No. I have something else in mind.

I can offer you this, as this is the Catholic Perspective..

"""""""why we insist that she has a continuing redemptive and mediatory role. We believe this because Mary’s role was not once and done. Mary did not conceive and bear Jesus, then just disappear.""""""

There’s more to it than that.