When do you "expect" Jesus to return?

[Davy]

I don't know when He will but I kinda hope it is soon. This world seems to be more evil every minute.

just read the article about American Girl issuing a book to girls:
"If you haven't gone through puberty yet, the doctor might offer medicine to delay your body's changes, giving you more time to think about your gender identity... If you don’t have an adult you trust, there are organizations across the country that can help you. Turn to the resources on page 95 for more information." the book is pushing them to be transgender.

Honestly it makes no sense men are pushed to be woman and woman pushed to be men. Satan getting people to hate themselves that is what it is all about. deny yourself to follow satan which will set you to destruction which is the counterfeit of denying yourself to follow Christ which will set you free

Those kind of things are not happening just by chance. They are from a concerted effort by the Communist Leftists designed to overthrow the western Christian nations.

The below 1958 Soviet strategic points against the United States was entered into the 1963 Congressional Record. They ought to be included in the teaching of American History in every U.S. public school and university. Yet the majority of Americans have never even heard of this Communist strategy, which has been in operation for many decades...

"20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

24.Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural and healthy.”

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture – education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a “united force” to solve economic, political or social problems."

The 45 Communist Goals - Congressional Record 1963

Willard Cleon Skousen wrote The Naked Communist. His 45 Communist Goals were later read into the Congressional Record of 1963. Read it here.

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[Hippie]

Show us the Father. Response: If you saw me you saw the Father. The Father and the Son are both one. See yourself and you have a son. Your son is part of you. Jesus was God in the flesh. Jesus lived his life exactly how God wanted him to, "Sinless." He was a hundred percent obedient and innocent. If you don't believe that Jesus was God in the flesh then you don't believe that God can do everything. Remember everything is possible by God. The old testament said he was coming. He came and did what he needed to do. What Thomas said and did out of any circumstance doesn't change a thing. He is only one person out of the other eleven and he was corrected, (the doubting Thomas.) When he saw Jesus his response was what? My Lord my God. Jesus said. You believe cause you see but blessed are those who don't see and believe. Everything is possible by God. Don't doubt.

 

[Mr E]

Many are expecting Jesus to sneak into town and sneak out with the saints in a "secret rapture" - the majority are counting on this to keep them from going through the "time of trouble". What can we say about this expectation?

ummm....? What can we say? -maybe- 'Good luck with that?'

 

[atpollard]

ummm....? What can we say? -maybe- 'Good luck with that?'

Or … they have a 50/50 chance.

• If the Preterists are correct, then the “really bad times” already happened and they escaped them (by being born after the ‘Tribulation’)
• If the Pre-Trib Rapture group is correct, then Jesus will sneak them out before the “really bad times”.
• If the Mid/Post-Trib Rapture group is correct, then they will go through the “really bad times” (unless they die first).
• If the “Amillenials” are correct, then THESE are the “really bad times”.

So they have a 2 in 4 chance of escaping the “bad times” like they believe … a 50/50 chance. ;)

 

[Mr E]

Or … they have a 50/50 chance.

• If the Preterists are correct, then the “really bad times” already happened and they escaped them (by being born after the ‘Tribulation’)
• If the Pre-Trib Rapture group is correct, then Jesus will sneak them out before the “really bad times”.
• If the Mid/Post-Trib Rapture group is correct, then they will go through the “really bad times” (unless they die first).
• If the “Amillenials” are correct, then THESE are the “really bad times”.

So they have a 2 in 4 chance of escaping the “bad times” like they believe … a 50/50 chance. ;)

That's one way of looking at it I guess.

Or...


That which has been is that which will be,
And that which has been done is that which will be done.
So there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there anything of which one might say,
“See this, it is new”?
Already it has existed for ages
Which were before us.
There is no remembrance of earlier things;
And also of the later things which will occur,
There will be for them no remembrance
Among those who will come later still.

Each 'generation' -springtime and harvest. -And the harvesters are angels.

 

[atpollard]

That's one way of looking at it I guess.

Or...


That which has been is that which will be,
And that which has been done is that which will be done.
So there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there anything of which one might say,
“See this, it is new”?
Already it has existed for ages
Which were before us.
There is no remembrance of earlier things;
And also of the later things which will occur,
There will be for them no remembrance
Among those who will come later still.

Each 'generation' -springtime and harvest. -And the harvesters are angels.

I don’t know … prior to this generation, there seemed to be less confusion about the basic definition of “boy” and “girl”. ;)

People seem to invent new ways of doing the same old evils - I suspect our inventiveness occasionally shocks even Satan.

 

[Phoneman777]

ummm....? What can we say? -maybe- 'Good luck with that?'

"Second Coming" or "second chance"? If the "secret rapture" is true, the question is how come the rest of us don't get a second chance?

Of course, it ain't true, that's why I'm listening to Paul and count on the Second Coming.

 

[Hippie]

How come some of us didn't get a second chance? Those who didn't get a second chance are most likely the ones that the word of God never got to them. We must remember our days are numbered. God will be the judge if we never got the chance if they go into heaven. Whether we are born again or not we will be judged on how we live our lives. It is our job to spread Gods Word so the people hear and have that second chance. 2 Peter 3:7-11 God is not slow on His return to earth and take us home. He gives everyone a chance to come back to him. We cannot think that we will know the time of his return. How many times have there been when people picked a day for his return and came out wrong. God works outside of time. Man created time. Even Jesus said he doesn't know the day he will return. It is not for us to know the times the Father has set for things to happen. If we have taken that second chance. It's up to us to spread Gods word so others have that second chance. We live our lives day by day trying to please God on how we live our lives which is following in the footsteps of Jesus. Remember everyone has their days numbered so we spread the word as soon and much as we can. Nobody knows when the time of the twinkling of that eye will be.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Final comment on a subject that will go nowhere: If you are correct, shame on Jesus for not being as righteous as an Angel and correcting Thomas (Like every Angel corrected every person that tried to offer any reverence due God to them) … instead Jesus affirmed his statement of belief!

Why would he correct him AT? He was not wrong in his statement. Your misunderstanding is what is wrong. You are saying Thomas was saying Jesus is God, yet he was just excited in coming to believe that individual standing in front of him was actually the resurrected Jesus.

 

[Hippie]

Exactly it's going nowhere. Jesus is God he has every right to correct people. God is never wrong and neither is Jesus. Jesus is above all angels. God knows our hearts and thoughts better than we do. When Jesus had things that were going wrong. When he went through a hard long days of work what did he do? He went to his Father in prayer. He didn't go to the angels cause he's above the angels. He also set an example by being in need to handle certain things done. He went to his Father in prayer.

 

[atpollard]

Why would he correct him AT? He was not wrong in his statement. Your misunderstanding is what is wrong. You are saying Thomas was saying Jesus is God, yet he was just excited in coming to believe that individual standing in front of him was actually the resurrected Jesus.

John 20:28-29

• [ASV] Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
• Jesus saith unto him, Because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
• [CSB] Thomas responded to him, "My Lord and my God! "
• Jesus said, "Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe."
• [DBY] Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God.
• Jesus says to him, Because thou hast seen me thou hast believed: blessed they who have not seen and have believed.
• [ESV] Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
• [HNV] T'oma answered him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Yeshua said to him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen, and have believed."
• [NIV] Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
• [KJV] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
• Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
• [LSB] Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed [are] those who did not see, and [yet] believed."
• [NASB20] Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you [now] believed? Blessed [are] they who did not see, and [yet] believed."
• [NET] Thomas replied to him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are the people who have not seen and yet have believed."
• [NKJV] And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed [are] those who have not seen and [yet] have believed."
• [NLT] "My Lord and my God!" Thomas exclaimed.
• Then Jesus told him, "You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me."
• [RSV] Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe."
• [WEB] 28 And Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God.
• Jesus saith to him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
• [YLT] And Thomas answered and said to him, 'My Lord and my God;'
• Jesus saith to him, 'Because thou hast seen me, Thomas, thou hast believed; happy those not having seen, and having believed.'

So, according to JESUS and EVERY TRANSLATOR listed above ...

What did Thomas "believe"?​

There are those that BELIEVE what scripture says and those that deny its clear and unambiguous words.

 

[DarylFawcett]

Why would he correct him AT? He was not wrong in his statement. Your misunderstanding is what is wrong. You are saying Thomas was saying Jesus is God, yet he was just excited in coming to believe that individual standing in front of him was actually the resurrected Jesus.

So are you saying that Thomas exclaimed, "O my Lord, O my God!" in reaction to seeing that Christ really was alive?

 

[ScottA]

The whole point of the Matthew verse is that we're supposed to live as if we expected Jesus to come back TODAY.

Indeed--"Today is the time of salvation!"

 

[Robert Gwin]

John 20:28-29

• [ASV] Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
• Jesus saith unto him, Because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
• [CSB] Thomas responded to him, "My Lord and my God! "
• Jesus said, "Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe."
• [DBY] Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God.
• Jesus says to him, Because thou hast seen me thou hast believed: blessed they who have not seen and have believed.
• [ESV] Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
• [HNV] T'oma answered him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Yeshua said to him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen, and have believed."
• [NIV] Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
• [KJV] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
• Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
• [LSB] Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed [are] those who did not see, and [yet] believed."
• [NASB20] Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you [now] believed? Blessed [are] they who did not see, and [yet] believed."
• [NET] Thomas replied to him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are the people who have not seen and yet have believed."
• [NKJV] And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed [are] those who have not seen and [yet] have believed."
• [NLT] "My Lord and my God!" Thomas exclaimed.
• Then Jesus told him, "You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me."
• [RSV] Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"
• Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe."
• [WEB] 28 And Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God.
• Jesus saith to him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
• [YLT] And Thomas answered and said to him, 'My Lord and my God;'
• Jesus saith to him, 'Because thou hast seen me, Thomas, thou hast believed; happy those not having seen, and having believed.'

So, according to JESUS and EVERY TRANSLATOR listed above ...

What did Thomas "believe"?​

There are those that BELIEVE what scripture says and those that deny its clear and unambiguous words.

He believed all of what Jesus taught him sir, including who was God. This is exhausted, but for the sake of argument, if you are correct, and Jesus really lied thus rendering his sacrifice useless, and making satan right, what hope do we have? Mk 10:40;13:32

 

[Robert Gwin]

So are you saying that Thomas exclaimed, "O my Lord, O my God!" in reaction to seeing that Christ really was alive?

Hi Daryl, welcome to the forum. Yes that is exactly what I am saying, as Thomas was not declaring Jesus God, he worshipped the God of Jesus, and had been instructed by Jesus for years. Read the entire context, it wasn't about God's identity, but a lack of faith in Jesus being raised from the dead.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

When this world has reaped what it has sowed !
Then people will have no other way but to be saved. one sink or swim ? everything will be burnt up ! so this World will be exposed for what it truly is to all regardless, as Jesus said This world is full of Deceptions and Delusions. That's the problem !

One has to come to Christ Jesus to be Saved ! it is then that the deceptions and delusions will be exposed ! Why because you understand the workings of such.

We are to call out such for what it truly is.
We have come out from them !

 

[Ezra]

Jesus gave the specific day and hour

where at

 

[ScottA]

where at

Revelation 3:20​

Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.​

Now, I know that is not what you may have been expecting, but that is the time of His coming.

As for the specific time--God knows, and so does the person when it happens, even if they only believe it in part and still expect Jesus to ride in from the clouds on a white horse--but that is just a lack of understanding. Paul elaborated to say, "but each one in his own order." Yet most are not honest and say, "Yes I have Jesus in me, but No He hasn't returned yet." But if one is completely honest and knows that Jesus went to the Father and then come in to them--He has indeed returned.

 

[Mr E]

This thread reads like one of those impossibility conundrums.

The principle @ScottA employs, as I understand him to be proposing is this>>

1. If you expect the return at some particular time, it’s wrong.

The reasoning is that it’s wrong because he will return at a time you don’t expect. (So whatever you expect has to be wrong).

Oof.


It’s like saying God can do anything.
Except God cannot lie.

So then God can’t do anything because He cannot lie. Except God CAN do anything so He must have been lying when He said He couldn’t lie.

It’s kind of silly. The logic is thrown farther out the window by insisting that the return was a personal matter (in ‘86) when the Christ came knocking at the door of his heart to then be invited in.

Unfortunately, Scott presumes to know that that was his day and hour, which scripture says no one knows, so then by his own logic - Scott is wrong in what he insists upon.

Moving on….

 

[ScottA]

This thread reads like one of those impossibility conundrums.

The principle @ScottA employs, as I understand him to be proposing is this>>

1. If you expect the return at some particular time, it’s wrong.

The reasoning is that it’s wrong because he will return at a time you don’t expect. (So whatever you expect has to be wrong).

Oof.


It’s like saying God can do anything.
Except God cannot lie.

So then God can’t do anything because He cannot lie. Except God CAN do anything so He must have been lying when He said He couldn’t lie.

It’s kind of silly. The logic is thrown farther out the window by insisting that the return was a personal matter (in ‘86) when the Christ came knocking at the door of his heart to then be invited in.

Unfortunately, Scott presumes to know that that was his day and hour, which scripture says no one knows, so then by his own logic - Scott is wrong in what he insists upon.

Moving on….

Your summation does not explain the conundrum, but I have explained it, and this I have done not by my own terms but by those stated by Christ. Rejected once, and now again.