The lies about gen 6

[Timtofly]

Hmm if Adam was boasting about sin, why would God clothed Adam to protect him from the elements in the next verse?

Why would Adam boasting determine God's Will?

 

[Timtofly]

All children came from Adam and Eve. Adam was not boasting about his sin, you have no clue from scripture he was or that he was lying.
Eve had many children, not all are named. The prohibition from God's law against marrying a sister was not in force at the time as the law had not yet been given to man by God. And people lived many hundreds of years. the law came through Moses. Abraham also married his half sister, the daughter of his father.

Sarah - Wikipedia

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According to Book of Genesis 20:12, in conversation with the Philistine king Abimelech of Gerar, Abraham reveals Sarah to be both his wife and his half-sister, stating that the two share a father but not a mother.[7] Such unions were later explicitly banned in the Book of Leviticus (Leviticus 18:9).

This would make Sarah the daughter of Terah and the half-sister of not only Abraham but Haran and Nahor. She would also have been the aunt of Lot, Milcah, Iscah, and Bethuel, by both blood and marriage. By her union with Abraham, she had one child, Isaac.[8] After her death, Abraham married Keturah, whose identity biblical scholars debate (that is, whether or not she was actually Hagar), and by her had at least six more children.

And then after the flood of Noah, Noah had 3 sons who had wives, so you know they were intermarrying each other's immediate families. And this was all ok by God. We don't know whose family lines the wives were of, but most likely they were all part of the lineage of Noah too, not of the wicked unbelieving families all over the earth at that time.

This point has nothing to do with procreation with family members.

It is the impossibility of humans born from Adam and Eve prior to Cain.

But I am sure you are going to make that claim. You will try to prove there were siblings before Cain, but still claim angels procreated as well. Now you have two fabricated points at odds with the simple fact the sons of God were other humans created on the 6th day along with Adam.

 

[Scott Downey]

Sons of God - Who Are The Nephilim in Genesis?

Several Bible teachers believe that the "sons of God" (Gen. 6:2) which were angels, cohabited with human women and produced giants (v. 4).

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Excerpt, and this was the earliest church understanding which would have been passed down from the apostles.

The Sons of God​

The title “sons of God” in Genesis 6:2,4 is used in Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7 to designate angels. Moreover, in the Septuagint the word “sons” in these passages is the Greek for “angels,” and where the Authorized Version reads “sons of God” in Geneses 6:2,4 the Septuagint reads “angels of God.” Nowhere in the Old Testament are God’s people called “sons of God,” with one notable exception in Hosea 1:10, and the meaning there is obvious.

The term “sons of God” denotes beings brought into existence by the creative act of God. Such were the angels, and in the Old Testament the title refers to angels. Men are not “sons” until they are redeemed (Gal. 4:4,5), born again in the New Testament sense (Jn. 1:12,13; 3:3-7).

There was a strong Jewish stream of tradition with regard to Genesis 6:1-4 as being the description of a terrible sin committed by angels attracted by the beauty of mortal women, and who forsook their proper habitation in order to live on earth with the daughters of men.

The early church held that Jude’s statement in verse 6 refers to Genesis 6:1-4. It was not until the latter part of the fourth century that any other view was suggested.

The language of the text is foreign to the view that the “sons of God” are the sons of Seth, while the “daughters of men” are the offspring of Cain. If the “sons of God” are the sons of Seth, and the “daughters of men” are the offspring of Cain, then at the time of the amalgamation God’s true people were limited to the male sex, for the “sons of God” were the ones who married the “daughters of men.” And if the “sons of God” were believers, they perished in the Flood, yet Peter states that it was the ungodly who received that judgment (2 Pet. 2:5).

 

[Scott Downey]

Who were the "sons of God" in Genesis 6:2? – Evidence for Christianity

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Excerpt, and another good read
You see here in this thread, that the people who think they are the sons of Seth, also believe God created many people in Genesis 1, perhaps millions of them, not just Adam and Eve. that many people were living on earth when Eve was deceived, Adam sinned, and all these other people then were lost, even though they had not eaten of that fruit or fallen, they were then all fallen. EVEN THOUGH God's judgement and curse was specifically addresses the Serpent, Eve, and Adam, no other people were judged as no other people were on the earth at the time.

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There has been much speculation about who these “sons of God” mentioned in
the sixth chapter of Genesis were. Three basic interpretations of this
passage have been advanced.

The first, and oldest, belief is that “the sons of God” were fallen angels
who consorted with human women, producing giant offspring called nephilim.
This view was widely held in the Judaic world of the first century, and
was supported by many of the “Ante-Nicene Fathers,” including Justin
Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Irenaeus, and Eusebius.

 

[Timtofly]

Who were the "sons of God" in Genesis 6:2? – Evidence for Christianity

evidenceforchristianity.org

Excerpt, and another good read
You see here in this thread, that the people who think they are the sons of Seth, also believe God created many people in Genesis 1, perhaps millions of them, not just Adam and Eve. that many people were living on earth when Eve was deceived, Adam sinned, and all these other people then were lost, even though they had not eaten of that fruit or fallen, they were then all fallen. EVEN THOUGH God's judgement and curse was specifically addresses the Serpent, Eve, and Adam, no other people were judged as no other people were on the earth at the time.

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There has been much speculation about who these “sons of God” mentioned in
the sixth chapter of Genesis were. Three basic interpretations of this
passage have been advanced.

The first, and oldest, belief is that “the sons of God” were fallen angels
who consorted with human women, producing giant offspring called nephilim.
This view was widely held in the Judaic world of the first century, and
was supported by many of the “Ante-Nicene Fathers,” including Justin
Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Irenaeus, and Eusebius.

The first and only belief was taught by Moses. They were not angels. You are quoting human speculation, not the Word of God.

Judaism and the book of Enoch is human speculation. Some of those ecf fathers who embraced Judaism for it's pagan theology were converted pagans themselves.

No where in Scripture are the sons of God describing angels. Angels were described as men. Humans were the sons of God. After the Flood, humans were the sons of Adam, men. After the Cross restoration to being sons of God was applied to those redeemed now gathered in Paradise. This is pointed out in the NT.

The early church fathers changed or abandoned the Word of God in the NT and followed after Judaism instead, to form their theology on this subject.

 

[DJT_47]

They were the faithful sons from the line of Seth who conformed and intermarried with the unfaithful daughters of Cain. This led to the state of the world in the days of Noah when he was the only faithful person in the world

But who were the sons of God mentioned twice in the book of Job?

 

[Marty fox]

But who were the sons of God mentioned twice in the book of Job?

They were angels but it’s all about context

 

[DJT_47]

They were angels but it’s all about context

Nowhere in the bible does it say or infer that the sons of God were or are angels in either Gen or Job

 

[Scott Downey]

Nowhere in the bible does it say or infer that the sons of God were or are angels in either Gen or Job

This has been the long standing traditional view, that it depends on old or new testament relevance.

Who are the sons of God in the Bible? | Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry

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The term sons of God has two basic meanings. It refers to the angels, both good and bad, in the Old Testament. But in the New Testament, he phrase refers to believers.

 

[Scott Downey]

Job 38​

New King James Version​

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The Lord Reveals His Omnipotence to Job​

1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:
2 “Who is this who darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?
3 Now [a]prepare yourself like a man;
I will question you, and you shall answer Me.
4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [b]line upon it?
6 To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

At the creation of the earth, v4-6, the stars are mentioned singing, and then God says the
'sons of God' shouted for joy.
The earth was created BEFORE any people. So the 'sons of God' must be angels of God.
If you say they are human being people then your making up false stories about what God revealed here during creation week.

IMO, also the stars are angelic beings of some kind. You do know the stars fall to the earth in various places in scripture and refer to angels.

Revelation 12:4
His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.

Stars fall from heaven also at the return of Christ, which likely means He is bringing his angels with Him

Revelation 6:13
And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind.

Matthew 24:28-30​

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New King James Version​

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28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

The Coming of the Son of Man​

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The light of the Sun, moon and stars will no longer shine,

1. Revelation 21:23
   The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb isits light.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Revelation 22:5
   There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

 

[Scott Downey]

Isaiah 24 confirms the sun and moon will no longer function as lights in the sky.
In the NT is added in that the stars also will no longer be shining stars in the sky, they will fall to the earth.
Reality is going to dramatically change.
Isaiah 24, if your read it, is about the destruction of the world and God creating new earth and heavens.

21 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones,
And on the earth the kings of the earth.
22 They will be gathered together,
As prisoners are gathered in the [f]pit,
And will be shut up in the prison;
After many days they will be punished.
23 Then the moon will be disgraced
And the sun ashamed;
For the Lord of hosts will reign
On Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
And before His elders, gloriously.

 

[ewq1938]

Nowhere in the bible does it say or infer that the sons of God were or are angels in either Gen or Job

They are angels in Job and they had children that were giants so they were not humans. Angels are the only choice of identification.

 

[DJT_47]

This has been the long standing traditional view, that it depends on old or new testament relevance.

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The term sons of God has two basic meanings. It refers to the angels, both good and bad, in the Old Testament. But in the New Testament, he phrase refers to believers.

It may be a longstanding traditional view, but it's based on nothing and is just opinion and useless.

 

[Timtofly]

This has been the long standing traditional view, that it depends on old or new testament relevance.

Who are the sons of God in the Bible? | Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry

Explore Christian Apologetics, theology, and critical answers to today's questions about God, the Bible, and the Christian faith at Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry.

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The term sons of God has two basic meanings. It refers to the angels, both good and bad, in the Old Testament. But in the New Testament, he phrase refers to believers.

That may be human opinion, but it is definitely not from God's Word.

Why would Job say:

"When the angels sang together, and all the angels shouted for joy?"

God created angels and humans at the same time in the beginning.

It is:

"When the angels sang together, and all the humans shouted for joy?

This verse is not defining angels by calling them sons of God. This verse is showing that both angels and humans were in communion together with God.

The sons of God were created on the 6th day. Adam was a son of God, but disobeyed God which resulted in physical and spiritual death of all his descendants.

The reason why the NT declares we are the sons of God is because the Cross restored us back to being sons of God.

We are not restored to being angels, and were never the offspring of angels. We are all the offspring of the sons of God, because they were all humans.

Give away your birthright to human theology, and contradict God's Word all you want. That angels are the sons of God is pure human opinion, and contradicts God's Word.

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

Jude 1:5-8
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. (as I was reading slowly I put myself on neutral thinking what is the real truth something just came to me) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.(the message given to me those angels are the minions of satan they are the ones who followed satan)Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.(this is another matter about homosexuality) Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
I think it is the spirit who revealed it to me guess the spirit is still alive in me

 

[Keturah]

It is going on today. I have been a witness to fallen angels as well as nephilim (in physical form) at high level rituals I was subjected to as a child. I have also seen human-animal hybrids.

Regardless your abuse as a child we all have the word of God and his Holy Spirit for guidance.

This is the same  excuse that killers use. Poor family background, abuse, etcetera ,etcetera.

Be doers of the word as well as hearers today! Our past only influences us when we are not led by the Spirit.

I do not diminish the horror you most likely were subjected to and suffered. It is time for the refreshing of your mind and let God cleanse you of these horrors.

 

[rockytopva]

This is a very old thread that has run its course. Please feel free to start another with some kind of meaningful opener.

 

[Keturah]

Because it says in the NT that they cannot reproduce.

Matthew 22:33
Talks about in the resurrection for there will be neither marrying nor given in marriage but be as the angels are.

Stand your ground @Cassandra , do not let others push you from the truth !