I know I'm blocked but I cannot tolerate your self righteous, self serving, self glorying perfection you claim.
You are a spoof!
1 John 3:9 - Is it cannot "practice" sin, or cannot "commit" sin?
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I know I'm blocked but I cannot tolerate your self righteous, self serving, self glorying perfection you claim.
You are a spoof!
robert derrick
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Exactly. Many super Christians are doing the same thing as the Pharisees of Jesus' day, so that He would still be accused of violating His own law.
Which includes preaching the law of Moses for that of Christ, such as Sabbath days kept as by law.
All Scripture is still true and profitable for use, but not all Scripture is law, and not all old law of Moses is law of Christ.
Exactly again. It's as simple as reading it on paper or not. The thing about the law that many believers don't understand, is that it is only law, if it is written letter by letter as such.
There is also a clear dividing line in Scripture between that of Moses, and the law of Christ: Every Scripture after Jesus' resurrection begins revealing His law and doctrine and commandments given to His chosen apostles, to write down as Scripture for His church to obey.
Jesus' did not begin to build His church, until after His resurrection, and so also His law and doctrine for the church.
I'm game. I was a holiness pentecost, that preached this stuff to the letter. Anyone not holding to it, was a 'compromiser' and of the world and unsaved.
1. Nudity in public is sinning, including overdoing it:
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array.
2. Men with long hair like a woman, and women with men's haircuts is a shame and dishonor's the Headship of Christ:
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
The one thing God wants to see making difference between men and women, is the length of the hair. Although clothing styles change, so that women with pants is now the norm, it is still nature itself ruled by God, that a long haired man is womanish, and a short haired women is butch.
All Scripture makes perfect natural sense and so is utterly practical: the admonishment for the long hair of women is public only, especially in ministry. If a woman loses her hair, she can always wear a wig in public. But for any man to have long hair like a woman, he shames himself like a girly-guy.
If anyone doubts this, just ask a little child, that has yet to learn how to be 'polite', or a liberal that has learned how to be 'tolerant'.
And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. And they had hair as the hair of women.
Scripture shows that men having the hair of women, is known by it's length. Not whether it's curly, red, straight, etc...
The holy grail of the holiness pentecosts, is that women shouldn't cut their hair at all. Scripture does not say cutting the hair at all is dishonorable, but God only wants to see that it is distinctively long, while the man's hair is plainly short: the dividing line is whether the hair covers the head or not. Honest Christians can judge that borderline for themselves.
The rest of the list is simply guided by soberminded moderation. All things in life are clean and good, until lust perverts them:
Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
People fully clothed at the beach, are just as out of place as bikinis in a mall.
Here's a few more:
1. Sabbath keeping by law
2. No shorts for men, nor t-shirts without collar and pocket.
2. No jewelry for anyone, other than wedding and class rings.
A hallmark of men's commandments, is that they must make practical exceptions to live in this world.
Just like with the Pharisees of old, their made-up gnats were even more impossible to keep than the law of Moses itself. And in the end, their traditional rules were more important than the law and doctrine of God.
Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
It's all about power of the sheep:
And I profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your
for by faith ye stand.
robert derrick
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Paul empathized with double hearted Christians in Romans 7, who need deliverance from the sinning and forgiving cycle, so that we can go on to having no more condemnation in Romans 8: Romans 8 is only for them now surely walking in the Spirit, and not doing the works of the flesh from time to time.
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.
Lawless Christians have made it their lifelong dream, while also trying to claim the no condemnation of Romans 8, by faith alone without repentance.
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
robert derrick
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There ought be two horns on that lamb photo.
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
And these are the grace-celebrating Christians, that accuse the righteous of trying to pick fights. They're still spluttering their anger, when the righteous have already shut the door in the puffy red faces.
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Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
The lawless self-justifiers hate preaching righteousness and true holiness, just as much as the law-making Pharisees.
I now know why they are so childishly hateful in public against preachers of righteousness: They have churches where such preaching is outlawed, and they are used to it's happy smoothness, but then when they are confronted with firm rebuke, they can't handle it.
It's one thing for double minded Christians to speak of our fallings from doing righteousness at all times, but to actually preach against doing and being righteous, is intolerable.
This is exactly why they are the liberals of Christian religion: the only thing they will not tolerate, is intolerance with corrupt behavior.
Why try to instruct those who preaches sinning for life, and hates hearing about doing righteousness instead?
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I think your post is confusing at best.
Furthermore pot / kettle here. You did the same in a longer more shall we say polite way.......lol
I have spoken to you before on the fact that YOU cannot teach me anything, correct ?
Last but not least you DO NOT have the authority to call anyone righteous nor unrighteous !
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Michiah-Imla
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robert derrick
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Scripture is the only authority of Christ.
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Those doing God's righteousness are the righteous. Those not doing His righteousness, are not.
Simple.
The problem with people of their own faith alone, is they think what they think really matters to Christ, as though it were even above Scripture itself.
And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written.
Is it sin to misrepresent what I say? Or no? What do you think? I know what I think, but I'm interested in your thought.
Much love!
Grailhunter
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I do not believe in OSAS.
I believe if you leave unrepentant and unconfessed sin in your life ( a little leaven, leaveneth the whole loaf ) you are severing your relationship to God.
Should sin continue then that person forfeits the gift of salvation and is backslid and away from God.
Grailhunter
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You are bringing up other topics
What do you have to do to no longer be a Christian. Backsliding....forfeit salvation?
What are your thoughts on that.
I think it is in topic.
We see all the times that Israel went whoring after other gods and displeased him so much it incurred God's wrath to the point of destruction.
I know you will say well they were ALWAYS his chosen ppl.
If we look @ The prodigal son parable; when the son left, the father DID NOT KNOW WHERE HE WAS . Biologically he was always the fathers son but in fact had he died in the pig SLOP he would have received a paupers burial.
This is the natural man.
However God is sovereign & supreme and he sees all & knows all. He may see where we are but we are NOT entitled to his benefits, promises or anything from him.
When we reject our faith & belief in God then we are in fact disowning ourselves from him. We then take up our old sins ( usually ) and add many more.
SIN WILL NOT ENTER HEAVEN !!!
Dying in this state makes us as all unbelievers. Ezekiel 18 makes this plain.v 24. But when the RIGHTEOUS TURNETH AWAY FROM HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, and COMMITTETH INIQUITY, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, SHALL HE LIVE? All his righteousness that he HATH DONE SHALL NOT BE MENTIONED: in his trespass that he HATH trespassed, and in his sin that he HATH sinned, IN THEM SHALL HE DIE.
Now you will state that this doesn't pertain to us, I believe the whole word of God rightly divided, revealed by the Spirit. You may also state a loss of rewards, there are NO rewards they are cancelled along with the rejection of God.
We are told to ENDURE OR MAKE IT TO THE END OF OUR LIFE BELIEVING and holding to our faith, correct ?
Grailhunter
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Well you right. I am going to say you are little Jewish. Christians have a new covenant with God. What pertains to the Old Testament? As Christians we should be students of the Old Testament because if you do not understand Old Testament....the time period....the culture....the language, we are not going to understand some things in the New Testament.
But as Christ warned we do not want to mix them because it would ruin both. Mark 2:21-22
When God said He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.....that meant He loved sinners to. And the planned devised was to save sinners. As Paul said....It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all. 1st Timothy 1:15
Of course I denounce the OSAS beliefs but we are all a work in progress, subject even at our best to stumble on occasion. We work out our salvation with fear and trembling Philippians 2:12-13
But once we accept Christ and are saved I believe that Christ is with us for the long haul. Our faith may waiver through our trials of life but over all salvation is stable. I would say it would take a lot for us to lose our status as Christians. Even if believers live a lifestyle of sin I believe we will arrive on Judgment Day as Christians.....we may end up damned to Hell, but we are still Christians.
It will probably be hard to find a scripture about Christians being "kick out" of that position. Hebrew 6:4-8 talks about those that have "fallen away" but that is not well defined. And Paul talks about turning a person over to Satan.....for the I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 1st Corinthians 5:5 And this is probably a unique scenario.
Be good and do good the best we can is the best advise.
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Not an ounce of Hebrew in my DNA. Ancestry say I'm ALL Northern European.
The O. T is the fore-runner of the N. T as John the Baptist was to Christ bringing them to a grand finale soon.
Yess he loved the WORLD, ALL THE FILTHY, UNWORTHY REJECTS THAT DIDNT KNOW NOR LOVE HIM. Of which we once were but are now a part of God's kingdom.
I do NOT agree that any believer will stand before the judgment seat of Christ then be kicked to hell. It's either ARE or ARE NOT, no straddling the fence.
I agree when Jesus stated " IT IS FINISHED" salvation became complete and perfect. God never fails, however we fail many times in believing, trusting, being steadfast, unmovable ,and seeking him and his word when in pain or hurt.
If there has been no possibility of falling away, looking back, or returning to the things of the world there would have been zero warnings to believers.
The path is strait & narrow with many ravines, rocks, robbers, and all sorts of devices Satan desires to sift us with. It is NOT an easy path.
I praise the Lord he saw a purpose in myself to deal with me again by conviction of the Spirit.
The O. T is the fore-runner of the N. T as John the Baptist was to Christ bringing them to a grand finale soon.
Yess he loved the WORLD, ALL THE FILTHY, UNWORTHY REJECTS THAT DIDNT KNOW NOR LOVE HIM. Of which we once were but are now a part of God's kingdom.
I do NOT agree that any believer will stand before the judgment seat of Christ then be kicked to hell. It's either ARE or ARE NOT, no straddling the fence.
I agree when Jesus stated " IT IS FINISHED" salvation became complete and perfect. God never fails, however we fail many times in believing, trusting, being steadfast, unmovable ,and seeking him and his word when in pain or hurt.
If there has been no possibility of falling away, looking back, or returning to the things of the world there would have been zero warnings to believers.
The path is strait & narrow with many ravines, rocks, robbers, and all sorts of devices Satan desires to sift us with. It is NOT an easy path.
I praise the Lord he saw a purpose in myself to deal with me again by conviction of the Spirit.
Grailhunter
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Find a scripture that says no Christians will be judged to hell on Judgement Day.
Just find a scripture about Christians becoming non-Christians.
