What was the date of the Crucifixion?

[The Light]

It's not proven by those.

It's proven by this:

Daniel 9:24
"Seventy weeks are determined"

No plethora.

Just one indisputable declaration.

Wake up. There is no dispute that seventy weeks are determined upon the people of Daniel. After 69 weeks the Messiah was cut off. Here's part of the final week of the people of Daniel right here.

Rev 12
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

 

[covenantee]

Wake up. There is no dispute that seventy weeks are determined upon the people of Daniel. After 69 weeks the Messiah was cut off. Here's part of the final week of the people of Daniel right here.

Rev 12
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

So why is your 70th week indeterminate?

Wise up.

 

[The Light]

So why is your 70th week indeterminate?

Wise up.

LOL Wise up? I'm not the one following a bunch of nonsense that does not add up. Let's rehash. In AD 30 Passover fell on a Wednesday. Therefore it is impossible for Jesus to have died in AD 30. Maybe you don't quite understand that. Think of it this way. Christian is trying to move the date of Passover so AD 30 will work as the year Jesus died. Problem is, he can't move it. Therefore you better find a different year. By the way, there is only one other year to choose from that fuffills the criteria. That would be AD 33.

 

[ewq1938]

LOL. But it's you who is rejecting the very definition of the word stephanos as given by the scholars you yourself quoted.

No, you are. You think stephanos has one meaning and you ignore or reject it's other meaning. I don't do that.

 

[Phoneman777]

I don't know who your "many" is in this thread. You + 1 isn't "many". But there is Chris + 3 other people I can recall supporting his dates in this thread. Your "many" is a penny and a half.

I wasn't referring to people in this thread.

 

[Phoneman777]

It's rejected simply because it is the wrong decree.

The decrees of Darius and Cyrus only deal with the temple. The decree Gabriel revealed to Daniel is far more comprehensive, thus making Artaxerxes' decree of 457 B.C. the starting point of the prophecy.

AD 31 cannot be the year Jesus was crucified as Jesus died on a Friday, on the preparation day of the Passover. In AD 31 Passover is on a Monday. You might try April 3, AD 33.

According to what calendar?

 

[covenantee]

LOL Wise up? I'm not the one following a bunch of nonsense that does not add up. Let's rehash. In AD 30 Passover fell on a Wednesday. Therefore it is impossible for Jesus to have died in AD 30. Maybe you don't quite understand that. Think of it this way. Christian is trying to move the date of Passover so AD 30 will work as the year Jesus died. Problem is, he can't move it. Therefore you better find a different year. By the way, there is only one other year to choose from that fuffills the criteria. That would be AD 33.

That makes your 70th week indeterminate.

Contrary to Scripture.

Why would anyone believe what is contrary to Scripture?

Explain how Daniel 9:24 "seventy weeks are determined" is a bunch of nonsense that does not add up.

 

[The Light]

That makes your 70th week indeterminate.

Contrary to Scripture.

Why would anyone believe what is contrary to Scripture?

Explain how Daniel 9:24 "seventy weeks are determined" is a bunch of nonsense that does not add up.

I always find myself laughing as I read your posts, so thanks for that. 70 weeks are determined upon the people of Daniel. Simple enough. After 69 weeks Messiah is cut off. If this was not important why did Daniel bother to write it down.

 

[The Light]

The decrees of Darius and Cyrus only deal with the temple. The decree Gabriel revealed to Daniel is far more comprehensive, thus making Artaxerxes' decree of 457 B.C. the starting point of the prophecy.

Could you please post the scripture that shows the exact decree that you are referring to?

According to what calendar?

Jewish.

 

[covenantee]

I always find myself laughing as I read your posts, so thanks for that. 70 weeks are determined upon the people of Daniel. Simple enough. After 69 weeks Messiah is cut off. If this was not important why did Daniel bother to write it down.

It was and is important, and Daniel wrote it down to ensure that no one would replace "Seventy weeks are determined" with "Sixty-nine weeks are determined but the 70th week is undetermined".

Daniel laughs last and laughs best.

 

[The Light]

It was and is important, and Daniel wrote it down to ensure that no one would replace "Seventy weeks are determined" with "Sixty-nine weeks are determined but the 70th week is undetermined".

Daniel laughs last and laughs best.

So Daniel took the time to write that Messiah was cut off after 69 weeks because he wanted YOU to know that 70 weeks were determined. That doesn't make much sense. As always, you are confused.

 

[covenantee]

So Daniel took the time to write that Messiah was cut off after 69 weeks because he wanted YOU to know that 70 weeks were determined. That doesn't make much sense. As always, you are confused.

Daniel knew that 70 weeks were determined, and he told everyone, including YOU.

YOU don't believe him.

But that doesn't change what he told everyone.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Passover occurs on a full moon? I am unaware of a scripture that says the Passover occurs on full moon.

But scripture has plenty to say about moons, especially new moon in the first month, Nisan. A lunar month is 29.5 days and full moon is slap bang in the middle. Now, a little arithmetic for you The Light. Divide 29.5 and tell me which day of Passover month is it?

 

[The Light]

But scripture has plenty to say about moons, especially new moon in the first month, Nisan.

Okay, I'm aware of that. Which changes what? NOTHING.

A lunar month is 29.5 days

Actually approximately 29.53

and full moon is slap bang in the middle. Now, a little arithmetic for you The Light. Divide 29.5 and tell me which day of Passover month is it?

Err Ahh, OK. 29.5 Mmmm, Nope. 29.53 divided by 2, carry the one, and then Hmmmm. Does it matter? Does that full moon change anything. Tell you what. I'm a generous guy. You can pick the day that you want that full moon to fall on and then tell me how that changed the 14th of Nisan. That's fair, isn't it?

Now I've got a math problem for you. How is it possible for Jesus to die on Friday on the preparation day of Passover in AD 30 if the preparation day of Passover is on Wednesday in AD 30?

 

[jeffweeder]

So Daniel took the time to write that Messiah was cut off after 69 weeks because he wanted YOU to know that 70 weeks were determined.

Daniel had already told us that.
We are told Jesus is cut off sometime after the 69 weeks so he can address those 6 points of redemption in the 70th week by laying down his life.
It takes his death to fulfill any one of those points.
Mission / death accomplished
When Jesus appears a second time .......,

Heb 9
but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, 28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.


He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.


, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

 

[The Light]

Daniel had already told us that.
We are told Jesus is cut off sometime after the 69 weeks so he can address those 6 points of redemption in the 70th week by laying down his life.
It takes his death to fulfill any one of those points.
Mission / death accomplished
When Jesus appears a second time .......,

Heb 9
but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, 28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.


He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.


, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

He is cut off just after the end of the 69th week. So all the things you say He accomplishes with His death and the new covenant occur just after the 69th week. That's why it is so important for Chris Gedge to move the Passover so He can claim that Jesus died in AD 30. The 70th week of Daniel is not complete. Jacob worked 7 more years for His chosen bride Rachel.

 

[jeffweeder]

He is cut off just after the end of the 69th week. So all the things you say He accomplishes with His death and the new covenant occur just after the 69th week.

That would make it the 70th week. His death accomplished redemption in the promised 70 weeks.

 

[The Light]

That would make it the 70th week. His death accomplished redemption in the promised 70 weeks.

Jesus died just after the 69th week, just as the scripture says. He was cut off after 69 weeks. The 70th week will begin after the fulness of the Gentiles comes in when the prince that will come, whose people destroy the future temple and the city, confirms a covenant for 1 week and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.

And that's how that works.

 

[The Light]

That would make it the 70th week. His death accomplished redemption in the promised 70 weeks.

70th week not complete.

 

[jeffweeder]

Jesus died just after the 69th week, just as the scripture says. He was cut off after 69 weeks. The 70th week will begin after the fulness of the Gentiles comes in when the prince that will come, whose people destroy the future temple and the city, confirms a covenant for 1 week and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.

And that's how that works.

It doesn't work light.
70 weeks are decreed for the death to occur for the complete redemption not 69.