The lies about gen 6

[theefaith]

Spirits CAN Take upon themselves the bodily look of a Human man.
Be kind to strangers, you never know, it might be an ANGEL.

True enough

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Angels don't assume human bodies. They have bodies already.

Reads the story of lot.

read the story of Abraham on the plains of Mamre.

Hebrews 13:2
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Gensis 6 when coupled with Jude tell us angels left their first estate and came down. they take on human form.

 

[theefaith]

Reads the story of lot.

read the story of Abraham on the plains of Mamre.

Hebrews 13:2
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Gensis 6 when coupled with Jude tell us angels left their first estate and came down. they take on human form.

sons and of god in Gen 6 cannot be angels fallen or not

1. Hebrews 1:5
   For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

sons and of god in Gen 6 cannot be angels fallen or not

1. Hebrews 1:5
   For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Yes they are! God only had one son and the term bene both here and in JOb refer to the angels. All mankind comes from Adam and we have the genealogies listed.

Genesis 6:2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.

Job 38:7
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

 

[ewq1938]

they take on human form.

They don't "take" on anything. They were created in the form they are always described as.

 

[No Pre-TB]

Gensis 6 when coupled with Jude tell us angels left their first estate and came down. they take on human form.

Do you realize the error?

Yes, holy ones left their first estate when they corrupted themselves. They doesn’t make them celestial. That makes them rebellious. Holy ones as in those humans separated unto God.

For us to be like the angels in heaven, our flesh and blood will be changed from terrestrial to celestial. But where is the idea from that a celestial can sin and thereby form flesh and blood on itself and thereby change its own form from celestial to terrestrial at will without its maker, the potter?

All scriptures are for reproof and edifying the church…so how does sex with celestial’s edify us? How do they teach us to live a life of love? Mixing science fiction with God’s holy word, this is why outrageous movies on end times depict the most ridiculous assertions. Do you believe the HS’s job is to guide each of us to understand there was sex between terrestrial wicked women who knew not God and the celestial heavenly host that did know Him and they had actual intercourse? Do any of you go to church? Where do you learn this? The World Wide Web?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

They don't "take" on anything. They were created in the form they are always described as.

Well show your evidence and correct and enlighten us.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Do you realize the error?

Yes, holy ones left their first estate when they corrupted themselves. They doesn’t make them celestial. That makes them rebellious. Holy ones as in those humans separated unto God.

For us to be like the angels in heaven, our flesh and blood will be changed from terrestrial to celestial. But where is the idea from that a celestial can sin and thereby form flesh and blood on itself and thereby change its own form from celestial to terrestrial at will without its maker, the potter?

All scriptures are for reproof and edifying the church…so how does sex with celestial’s edify us? How do they teach us to live a life of love? Mixing science fiction with God’s holy word, this is why outrageous movies on end times depict the most ridiculous assertions. Do you believe the HS’s job is to guide each of us to understand there was sex between terrestrial wicked women who knew not God and the celestial heavenly host that did know Him and they had actual intercourse? Do any of you go to church? Where do you learn this? The World Wide Web?

1. Angels hae taken on human form many times as written in Scripture. Even masked their glory as well.

2. These sons of God left their first estate as it says in Jude! Those cannot be any angel involved in teh Luciferian rebellion for they still roam free as demons.

But I will as k of you the same questions looking for biblical and not philosophical conclusions if these were mere men.

1. Were the woman of God all ugly so they couldn't go into them?
2. I assume you think th edaughters of men, must refer to sinful woman, though the language simply says daughters of mankind
3. ONce the sons of God had sex with the daughters of men- did they no longer be Sons of God?
4. HOw could a joining of men with woman produce the mighty men (gibborim) and the men of renown and the titans of old?

Why is the phrase "bene-elohim mean men. Does that mean that these holy men sttod before God in heaven.

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Couldn't be a meeting on earth, that ended in the garden.

No they were angels that left their first estate (heaven), sinned by having sex with human woman, produced a hybrid race, and god destroyed iit all except for 8.

 

[ewq1938]

Well show your evidence and correct and enlighten us.

Actually it's up to you to show angels changing form as you claim. My evidence is that angels always look as they do whether in heaven or on the Earth. There is never any type of changing to appear human.

 

[No Pre-TB]

Luciferian rebellion for they still roam free as demons.

Oh my! Ronald, please brother, open your eyes. There is no angel or demon called Lucifer. Read the context of that passage and who God is speaking about in poetic form. Didn’t you know we will be lucifer’s? Do you understand the concept? If you don’t remember, it’s in Isaiah 14

 

[ewq1938]

Oh my! Ronald, please brother, open your eyes. There is no angel or demon called Lucifer. Read the context of that passage and who God is speaking about in poetic form. Didn’t you know we will be lucifer’s? Do you understand the concept? If you don’t remember, it’s in Isaiah 14

Which is about satan.


Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Who else but Satan will literally fall from heaven?

Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Who else but Satan could ascend into heaven like he did in Job?


Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Paul wrote that the Antichrist will also seek to do this and whether the AC is Satan or a Satan possessed man it still is a reference to Satan.


Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


Exactly what Rev 20 depicts happening to Satan!

Isaiah 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isaiah 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

Satan bound for a thousand years and I can easily imagine people saying this about him!

That's far too many coincidences to just be about some old king of Babylon as all of it exactly pertains to Satan and what is going to happen to him and what he tries to accomplish.

The serpent was in the garden of Eden.
Lucifer was in the garden of Eden.
Satan was the serpent in the garden of Eden.

Satan fell from heaven.
Lucifer fell from heaven.

Satan will be cast into a pit.
Lucifer will be cast into a pit.

So how exactly is Lucifer not Satan?

 

[No Pre-TB]

So how exactly is Lucifer not Satan?

Satan is nowhere in the passage. He’s never identified, spoken of or related to in any of that chapter or its context.

The context is our Lord’s judgment on the King of Babylon.

4That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon,

The following verses speak of what he does: Isaiah 14:6

In verse 8 and 9, the text’s figurative language comes into play.

All his pomp brought into hell: All his majesty, all his riches, his glory brought down to the grave; Sheol.

Verse 12: How art thou fallen - You were a mighty King of the Chaldean’s and now nothing.

Oh morning star, son of the dawn - Oh bright one whose light lit the world. Set upon high in the heavens as the bright star Venus

How art thou cut down to the ground: Removed, abased and humbled

You said in your heart I will ascend to heaven: Pride has lifted you up above all (Kings, Princes who are as Suns, Moons and stars of the heavens) and hardened your heart

I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will place my royalty higher then all things created and all people on the earth

Do I need to go on? Would you like more from me or 5, 10, 20 Commentaries on it? Let me know.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Actually it's up to you to show angels changing form as you claim. My evidence is that angels always look as they do whether in heaven or on the Earth. There is never any type of changing to appear human.

Already have on this thread as well as others.

But I will await your "evidence" that angels always look the same.

 

[amigo de christo]

Well show your evidence and correct and enlighten us.

Angels sure can look like humans .
IF NOT , then why would paul say dont be forgetful to entertain strangers
whereby some have enterained angels unawares .
AND why did the people of Sodom say to LOTT , bring out the MEN . YET was it not two angels .
OH YES , your right they sure can take on human form . AND the BIBLE PROVES THIS . THUS
we STICKING to the bible . Now lift those hands up and let the LORD be praised .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Oh my! Ronald, please brother, open your eyes. There is no angel or demon called Lucifer. Read the context of that passage and who God is speaking about in poetic form. Didn’t you know we will be lucifer’s? Do you understand the concept? If you don’t remember, it’s in Isaiah 14

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Satan was known as Lucifer! He still is the fourth most powerful being in the Universe. He was the anointed Cherub who covered the throne.

but we will not be what Isaiah describes- that is only for the Cherub who was named Lucifer.

Yes we are "lucifers" in the sense that that name means light bearer. But for teh Cherub- that was his name, for us, it is something we are.

 

[RLT63]

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Mark 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? 25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

That's a no. So I agree with Marty Fox.

Those are the angels in Heaven, not the fallen ones, and it says they don't. It doesn't say they can't

 

[ewq1938]

Already have on this thread as well as others.

But I will await your "evidence" that angels always look the same.

Every scripture describing them in heaven or Earth are the same, no change at all. Your suggestion is not found in the bible.

 

[ewq1938]

Satan is nowhere in the passage.

Wrong.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Who else but Satan will literally fall from heaven?

Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Who else but Satan could ascend into heaven like he did in Job?


Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Paul wrote that the Antichrist will also seek to do this and whether the AC is Satan or a Satan possessed man it still is a reference to Satan.


Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


Exactly what Rev 20 depicts happening to Satan!

Isaiah 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isaiah 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

Satan bound for a thousand years and I can easily imagine people saying this about him!

That's far too many coincidences to just be about some old king of Babylon as all of it exactly pertains to Satan and what is going to happen to him and what he tries to accomplish.

The serpent was in the garden of Eden.
Lucifer was in the garden of Eden.
Satan was the serpent in the garden of Eden.

Satan fell from heaven.
Lucifer fell from heaven.

Satan will be cast into a pit.
Lucifer will be cast into a pit.

So how exactly is Lucifer not Satan?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Every scripture describing them in heaven or Earth are the same, no change at all. Your suggestion is not found in the bible.

I already showed the verses. I gues you didn't other to read them. YOur loss. but why don't you post a few of these verses you say there are and we can discuss them and see if you missed any.

 

[RLT63]

They were the faithful sons from the line of Seth who conformed and intermarried with the unfaithful daughters of Cain. This led to the state of the world in the days of Noah when he was the only faithful person in the world

Why would that make their children giants or mighty men of valor? Why were their children called Nephilim?