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[Truth7t7]

That doesn't prove the beast is a man in the slightest. You need to take some courses in Greek.

Oh sure, courses delivered by ewq 1938, and then there were "None"!

 

[ewq1938]

Oh sure, courses delivered by ewq 1938, and then there were "None"!

You speak confusion and show ignorance of Greek grammar.

 

[Truth7t7]

You speak confusion and show ignorance of Greek grammar.

LOOK IN THE MIRROR OF TRUTH

 

[ewq1938]

LOOK IN THE MIRROR OF TRUTH

While you look through the kitchen window of avoidance?

 

[No Pre-TB]

It's simple, the beast of the sea seen in Revelation Chapter 13 is described with Personal pronouns He, His, Him, A Human Man

You missed “it”. Autos can be he, she or it. And you ignore all the facts. Who were the other 3 humans that rise from the sea? What man has been described as part lion, part bear, like a leopard? How many heads does a man have? How can a man be before John’s time and exist in the future? How can a man be the beast of the sea when Daniel 7:23 tells us it isn’t a man.

You never did answer my previous question. I only asked it because if what you say is true, we’d find it.

 

[Zao is life]

That doesn't prove the beast is a man in the slightest. You need to take some courses in Greek.

copy @Truth7t7

Yes but every country has a political authority, and each one of Daniel’s four beasts had a king.

Each head of the 7-headed beast of Revelation had a king - Revelation 17:10 – notice the crowns on the heads of the 7-headed dragon in Revelation 12:3.

The 7th head of the beast has 10 kings, and the dragon is giving this kingdom his seat, power, and great authority – notice how the crowns have shifted from the heads of the dragon in Revelation 12:3 to the 10 kings in Revelation 13:1.

But there is also an 8th king - and the 10 kings hand all their power & authority over to him – Revelation 17:11-13 – and that 8th king is also the beast ascending from the bottomless pit – Revelation 17:8 & Revelation 17:11.

That 8th king is the beast ascending from the bottomless pit – and he allows the false prophet to exercise all his authority before him (much like Pharaoh allowed Joseph to exercise all his authority in Egypt).

The false prophet builds an image to the same beast whose mortal wound was healed – i.e to the 8th king, and causes all to worship either this man or his image – and in biblical typology, the type for this, is the image of Nebuchadnezzar that all the world of his day were required to worship.

And in biblical typology, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego are the type of those seen in Revelation 20:4-6 who had been beheaded for refusing to worship the beast or his image, and for their testimony to Christ and to the Word of God. In biblical typology Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego being called "come up" out of the fire (in their case, by Nebuchadnezzar) is the type of the call to "come up here" when the two witnesses rise from the dead - Revelation 11:12.

So "it" (the kingdom) and "he" (it's king) can be used interchangeably in reference to the beast. Both the KJV and other translations are correct.

 

[Dave Watchman]

That doesn't prove the beast is a man in the slightest. You need to take some courses in Greek.

Oh sure, courses delivered by ewq 1938, and then there were "None"!

You speak confusion and show ignorance of Greek grammar.

LOOK IN THE MIRROR OF TRUTH

While you look through the kitchen window of avoidance?

I remember you guys talking about this same thing before.

You guys crack me up.

Like good cop, bad cop.

I sure wish I could help you old boys out with this.

I wouldn't worry about it.

It's not going to be the thing that you want it to be, like from the Late Great Book.

It shouldn't be that hard, if you're willing to accept it, to nuance the meaning out of the Script at this point in time.

Even so,
Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[No Pre-TB]

The 7th head of the beast has 10 kings,

Thats not how I see it. The 7th head did not have 10 kings.

1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

The horns are not said to be on any head. All 7 heads need to be slain in order for the 8th head, of the 7, to be awakened. Revelation 17:11 is referring back to Revelation 17:9, not Revelation 17:10 , this is because the beast here is the beast that rises from the sea in Daniel 7:3 while the kings in Revelation 17:10 are shown in Daniel 7:17 to rise not from the sea, but from the earth. There are beasts from the sea, kingdoms. There are beasts from the earth, kings that rule the kingdoms.

So "it" (the kingdom) and "he" (it's king) can be used interchangeably in reference to the beast. Both the KJV and other translations are correct.

The king does not rise from the sea, only kingdoms do. The false prophet that rises from the earth in Revelation 13:11 is the king from Daniel 7:17

 

[Zao is life]

Thats not accurate. The 7th head did not have 10 kings.

1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

The horns are not said to be on any head. All 7 heads need to be slain in order for the 8th head, of the 7, to be awakened. Revelation 17:11 is referring back to Revelation 17:9, not Revelation 17:10 , this is because the beast here is the beast that rises from the sea in Daniel 7:3 while the kings in Revelation 17:10 are shown in Daniel 7:17 to rise not from the sea, but from the earth. There are beasts from the sea, kingdoms. There are beasts from the earth, kings that rule the kingdoms.
The king does not rise from the sea, only kingdoms do. The false prophet that rises from the earth in Revelation 13:11 is the king from Daniel 7:17

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes into perdition.

8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to ascend out of the abyss and go into perdition. And those dwelling on the earth will marvel, those whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

The horns can only be one of the seven, since even the 8th is one of the seven. The horns are not the sixth, because the horns' kingdom had not yet come.

12 And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, who have received no kingdom yet, but will receive authority as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.

 

[Dave Watchman]

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It would seem that God has embedded the Antichrist concept into Scripture in such a way as to conceal his identity and activities for a purpose. Why would He do that? Why would God let the Devil loose on the world? Because of the signs that he is given the power to do, the Devil has caused the people of the world to do things right now, that they would not otherwise have done. Who do you think gives the Devil the power to influence the composite beast, the governments of the world? Like when Jesus commanded Satan, (Judas), “What you are going to do, do quickly”, only God can grant that power, and allow for the prophetic time period of the Antichrist's authority.

I tend to think that the eschatological Christians here have a strong enough faith to confront this issue at hand. We have no doubt at all of our salvation, that our names are written in heaven, AND we are looking forward to seeing the brightness of His appearing. Because we will be like Him, righteous and true. So confronting the Antichrist issue head on should not worry an individual in an advanced Christian faith. We do not grieve as others do who have no hope. We KNOW that God, through Christ Jesus, WILL bring with Him those who have fallen asleep. And we look forward to it.

But it's a scary subject for some Christians, and most other people. The Antichrist is revealed first. I think it dangerous to be lulled into this idea that we have 5 or ten years or more before we see this beast rise from the bottomless pit and go to his destruction, especially if the process has started already and is happening now.

Antichrist = Son of Perdition.

And just then Satan entered into him.

"When Judas had eaten the bread, Satan entered into him. Then Jesus told him, “Hurry and do what you're going to do.”​

Jesus gave the order, God gives him the power.

Paul equates "the son of perdition", with "the man of sin".

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"​

Why would Paul call Satan, the son of destruction, the "man" of sin?

In the far reaches of the north

It would seem elementary to me that Paul, as he has done in so many previous examples, draws from Scripture, in this case Isaiah 14.

Read Isaiah 14:12-20 again.

“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Day Star, son of Dawn!
How you are cut down to the ground,
you who laid the nations low!

You said in your heart,
‘I will ascend to heaven;
above the stars of God
I will set my throne on high;

I will sit on the mount of assembly
in the far reaches of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.’

But you are brought down to Sheol,
to the far reaches of the pit.

Those who see you will stare at you
and ponder over you:

‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
who shook kingdoms,
who made the world like a desert
and overthrew its cities,
who did not let his prisoners go home?’

All the kings of the nations lie in glory,
each in his own tomb;
but you are cast out, away from your grave,
like a loathed branch,

clothed with the slain, those pierced by the sword,
who go down to the stones of the pit,
like a dead body trampled underfoot.

You will not be joined with them in burial,
because you have destroyed your land,
you have slain your people.

“May the offspring of evildoers
nevermore be named!

Is this talking about A4E or Nebuchadnezzar?

No.

This is not talking about a mere mortal man.

This is talking about the Devil.

The "offspring of evildoers" is the equivalent of "you are of your father the Devil.

"You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

The king of the North.

Islam is just one component of the composite beast. The Antichrist is not an Islamic human man, the Antichrist does not come out from Assyria. He is not a physical "Assyrian" man. The Antichrist grew out from one of "them", the four winds of heaven. Toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the glorious land which is west. He came from the North. The Script here has shifted from earthly kingdoms of man, to Divine Direction. The north wind of heaven. The king of the North. The King of destruction. Assyria is to the north of Israel. This is the same concept as the drying up of the great river Euphrates.

The Euphrates river was always a large natural obstacle preventing invading armies from the north coming down into Israel back in the old Biblical times. When this river symbolically dries up, the green light is then given for the Kings from the East to bring Divine destruction.

Like the angel ascending from the "east" bringing the seal of God, and the lightning of Jesus coming from the "east" to the west, the Kings from the East are heavenly Visitors. God the Father, and Jesus:

"They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of:
a) him who sits on the throne and
b) from the wrath of the Lamb!​

So it's not likely going to be Asian armies, like from the Late Great Planet Earth, that travel to a literal valley north of Israel, but Divine Destroyers that come from the Biblical north wind of heaven.

Evil comes from the north.

Nebuchadnezzar came down from the north and wiped out Jerusalem.

"For I am bringing disaster from the north, even terrible destruction." ... Set up the banner in Zion: come together, do not delay: for I bring evil from the north wind, ...

"Then the LORD said, "This means destruction will break out from the north on all ... cry, O city; Melt away, O Philistia, all of you; For smoke comes from the north, ...

"Egypt is like a very fair heifer, but destruction cometh; it cometh out of the north.

"Then the LORD said to me, "Out of the north the evil will break forth on all the inhabitants of the land.​

And notice during a time of restoration God removes the northerner:

“I will remove the northerner far from you, and drive him into a parched and desolate land, his vanguard into the eastern sea,​

I think a bunch of the things that the prophecy prognosticators were having us watch for, have already just happened, and are happening right now.

It's all about the Devil. We are just caught up in his bargain. We are living in his kingdom right now, the kingdom of the rebels, when the rebels have become completely wicked.

Now it's not just the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, but the whole world takes pleasure in unrighteousness. Here is just one example of how the Antichrist, the son of perdition, the Devil, has taken over the world through peaceful means by giving his power and his throne and his great authority to the composite beast:

1) The Netherlands (2000)
2) Belgium (2003)
3) Canada (2005)
4) Spain (2005)
5) South Africa (2006)
6) Norway (2009)
7) Sweden (2009)
8) Argentina (2010)
9) Iceland (2010)
10) Portugal (2010)
11) Denmark (2012)
12) Brazil (2013)
13) England and Wales (2013)
14) France (2013)
15) New Zealand (2013)
16) Uruguay (2013)
17) Luxembourg (2014)
18) Scotland (2014)
19) Finland: (signed 2015, effective 2017)
20) Ireland: (2015)
21) United States: (2015)<-------1290 Days------->Sun/Moon
21) United States: (2015)<-------1290 Days------->EofW

Calculate Duration Between Two Dates – Results

White House set aglow with rainbow pride

On Friday evening, the White House was glowing with pride.

The Obama administration bathed the north side of the executive mansion in rainbow-colored light to celebrate the Supreme Court’s Friday ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges, which guaranteed a constitutional right to same-sex marriage across America.

Note it's the "north" side of the executive mansion.

What you are seeing here is evidence of a feat that could not be accomplished by any mere mortal man. This is the little horn, the stern faced king, the Devil, rising up to the place of God's Sanctuary, the Man of Sin taking his seat in the Temple of God and claiming to be God. Rising up to the place of God's Sanctuary. Claiming to rewrite the rules coming out from God's True Tent in Heaven.

Now take a look at this graphic.

Look at the number of pediatric gender affirming clinics in the USA in 2007.

Then note how many are here now in 2022.

Still think we're not in the Antichrist's kingdom of the rebels?

When from God's Temple came this:

"For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

And this:

“A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the LORD your God.

Or this:

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

I'm reasonably sure there's not too much more time remaining for these reprobate minded people to enjoy their delusion.

Even so,
Peaceful Sabbath.​

 

[No Pre-TB]

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes into perdition.

The beast here, is the 4th beast of the sea in Daniel 7:3
Previously, the 7 headed beasts had crowns on each head. 5 heads are slain by the time John records Revelation. One head is current in his time and 1 more after it. Once all 7 heads fall, the beast is dead. But one of the 7 heads, we arnt told which, thought to be slain allows life to the beast of the sea. The beast itself, not the previous heads that no longer wear authority, becomes the 8th headed kingdom. It’s a composite of the previous 7 heads that hold the name blasphemy. This kingdom will be ruled by a king that rises from the earth.

 

[Zao is life]

The beast here, is the 4th beast of the sea in Daniel 7:3
Previously, the 7 headed beasts had crowns on each head. 5 heads are slain by the time John records Revelation. One head is current in his time and 1 more after it. Once all 7 heads fall, the beast is dead. But one of the 7 heads, we arnt told which, thought to be slain allows life to the beast of the sea. The beast itself, not the previous heads that no longer wear authority, becomes the 8th headed kingdom. It’s a composite of the previous 7 heads that hold the name blasphemy. This kingdom will be ruled by a king that rises from the earth.

The ten kings are still reigning for one hour with the beast though.

They will make war against the Lamb. It's is the Lamb who will overcome them, not the beast from the sea.

They will also destroy the harlot (Revelation 17:14-16).

The ten kings are there with the beast - the 8th king - who they handed over their authority to - until they are destroyed with the beast by Christ.

 

[No Pre-TB]

The ten kings are there with the beast - the 8th king - who they handed over their authority to - until they are destroyed with the beast by Christ.

If the 10 kings rule 1hr with the beast as you said, how is the beast in this case the ruler when the 11th horn isn’t here yet? Only 10 horns are shown and when the 11th comes, he removes 3. Let me ask this, Revelation 17:8 calls the beast “once was, is not but will be” and you’re saying it’s the ruler. Yet this same beast is mentioned in Daniel 7:7
Now, where is a man mentioned to have characteristics of the 3 previous beasts of the sea that are kingdoms? Ie. Devoured, break into pieces and stomps the residue with its feet

 

[Zao is life]

If the 10 kings rule 1hr with the beast as you said, how is the beast in this case the ruler when the 11th horn isn’t here yet? Only 10 horns are shown and when the 11th comes, he removes 3. Let me ask this, Revelation 17:8 calls the beast “once was, is not but will be” and you’re saying it’s the ruler. Yet this same beast is mentioned in Daniel 7:7
Now, where is a man mentioned to have characteristics of the 3 previous beasts of the sea that are kingdoms? Ie. Devoured, break into pieces and stomps the residue with its feet

@No Pre-TB Edited this:

Without the Revelation, Daniel's prophecies are incomplete. We have to interpret Daniel's prophecies by the Revelation of Jesus Christ - not the other way around.

The 8th king = the 11th horn. The ten horns / kings will hand over their power and authority to him.

The beast of Revelation may be somehow linked to the former Roman Empire - the 4th beast of Daniel - both Eastern and Western halves - which today are secular with a Christian heritage ("The West"), and Islamic (Eastern, former Byzantine Empire).

It would be out of this former Roman Empire - the entire Empire - that these ten kings will come up - five toes on the left foot of the image of Daniel chapter 2, and five toes on the right foot.

Revelation tells us that the beast that was and is not, and will go to perdition, is the 8th king. Revelation tells us that the ten kings will rule with him for one hour. Revelation tells us that these ten kings will make war with the Lamb but the Lamb will overcome them. Revelation tells us that these ten kings will destroy the harlot.The Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus Christ (Revelation 1:1), not the prophecies of Daniel, though the Revelation complements (completes) Daniel's prophecies.

If three of the ten are plucked up by the roots, that still leaves seven horns. I don't see scripture telling us whether or not the three will be replaced with another three who are more of one mind with the other seven. Scripture doesn't actually say more.

@No Pre-TB But in His Revelation, our Lord Jesus Christ has told us only about 10 kings ruling for one hour with the 8th king.

 

[ewq1938]

The horns are not said to be on any head. All 7 heads need to be slain in order for the 8th head, of the 7, to be awakened.

There is no 8th head in Rev. The beast is a government and it is established within the areas of 7 mountains (areas of land). No heads are slain. One has a symbolic wound that is healed but that is symbolic of recovering from a war. The 7th king in a line of fallen kings will rule the beast with 7 heads and ten horns.

 

[ewq1938]

The Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus Christ (Revelation 1:1), not the prophecies of Daniel, though the Revelation complements (completes) Daniel's prophecies.

Revelation contradicts Daniels prophecies, not completes.

Differences between Daniels prophecies and what Revelation says:

Daniel wrote that the first 3 beasts live past the 4th beasts destruction. This doesn't happen in Revelation.

Daniel wrote that 3 horns are removed/plucked up from the 10 horned beast but in Revelation no horns are removed.

The beast is killed before being given to flame in Daniel but in Revelation 19 the beast is alive when cast into the lake of fire.

In Daniel the little horn is not a second beast but is part of the 4th beast. In Revelation there isn't just one beast, there are two. The False Prophet is not one of the heads or horns of the first beast but is a separate and different beast with it's own two horns.


These are the only differences I know of so far.

Daniel and Revelation are not the same books and same events. Similar imagery is used but the details are often opposite.

 

[Truth7t7]

There is no 8th head in Rev. The beast is a government and it is established within the areas of 7 mountains (areas of land). No heads are slain. One has a symbolic wound that is healed but that is symbolic of recovering from a war. The 7th king in a line of fallen kings will rule the beast with 7 heads and ten horns.

John's (The Beast) in Revelation chapter 13 will be a future literal human man, that is described with personal pronouns, He, His, Him

 

[ewq1938]

John's (The Beast) in Revelation chapter 13 will be a future literal human man, that is described with personal pronouns, He, His, Him

Personal pronouns don't make the thing spoken about a man. Those same pronouns can and are used for non-human things like kingdoms. This is why you need to take courses in the Greek language.

 

[Truth7t7]

Personal pronouns don't make the thing spoken about a man. Those same pronouns can and are used for non-human things like kingdoms. This is why you need to take courses in the Greek language.

John's (The Beast) will have a literal living body that will be cast into the lake of fire

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[No Pre-TB]

There is no 8th head in Rev. The beast is a government and it is established within the areas of 7 mountains (areas of land). No heads are slain. One has a symbolic wound that is healed but that is symbolic of recovering from a war. The 7th king in a line of fallen kings will rule the beast with 7 heads and ten horns.

The 8th is of the 7. The 7 were heads. Mountains are Kingdoms. The heads were symbolically slain. The King fell and the Kingdom. It’s not the 7th King that rules the beast, because then the 7th head would have a crown. It does not, none of the 7 heads have crowns because they all died. The crowns are on the horns after all 7 heads lose authority.