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So this is what we glean from scripture:

Antiochus IV Epiphanes is the biblical type of the man of sin of 2 Thessalonians 2:4:

Daniel 11
36 And the king shall do according to his will. And he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper until the fury is fulfilled. For that which is decreed shall be done.

37 He will not regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god. For he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let not anyone deceive you by any means. For that Day shall not come unless there first comes a falling away, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition,

4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself forth, that he is God.

Revelation 13

5 And a mouth speaking great things was given to it, and blasphemies. And authority was given to it to continue forty-two months.
6 And it opened its mouth in blasphemy toward God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, and those dwelling in Heaven.
7 And it was given to it to war with the saints and to overcome them.

Daniel 8:11; Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11 are referring to the abomination of desolation that was set up in the holy place by Antiochus IV Epiphanes; but Daniel Chapter 12 is also the first part of the prophecy which is complemented (completed) by Jesus in Revelation 10:

Daniel 12:7
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was on the waters of the river, when he held up his right and his left hand to Heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half. And when they have made an end of scattering the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Revelation 10:5-7
5 And the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the earth lifted his hand to the heaven,
6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created the heaven and the things in it, and the earth and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it, that there should no longer be time.
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he will begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He has declared to His servants the prophets.

Daniel 12:1-13 is complemented (completed) by Revelation 10:1-7, and Daniel Chapter 12 points both back to the abomination set up by Antiochus, and forward to the time of the end.

There are two separate times in the book of Daniel that the word "abomination" is associated with the temple of God, and there is a major difference between the two:

1. The abomination of desolation (singular) set up by Antiochus IV Epiphanes did not result in the destruction of the temple: After he was ousted by the Maccabees, the temple was cleansed, rededicated, and reconsecrated to God.
2. The abominations (plural) that were committed in Daniel 9:27 would result in the destruction of the temple.

This means that we have to look for a man seating himself up in the sanctuary of God (2 Thessalonians 2:4), at a time when an apostasy (Greek: ho apostasia) occurs. And this means that we have to establish "which" sanctuary of God the Greek word naos which is used in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 for "temple" denotes.

And you'll be looking at someone seating himself up in the church, if you become aware of the last time the word naos is used in the New Testament in reference to the Jerusalem temple.
Your claim of Antiochus Epiphanies IV in 167BC doesn't fit the description in Daniel 11:37 below, he nor his father's worshipped the true Hebrew (God Of His Fathers), and he desired women having a wife and several children

The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers), and he won't desire women

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples: God Of His Fathers

(2 Kings) 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

(2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV
10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.
 

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Which beast?
WEF is a beast that is leading all to gather as one under the very dragon .
There are many that now do the will of sie dragon and of sie order . Folks think satan has been sleeping
and they keep waiting for some kind of hollywood beast or AC to appear . I TELL US ALL There are spirits at work
and they seem to be fullfilling the very pages of revelation to gather the world to be as one unto the day of armegeddon .
SIE DAY OF THE LORD is much closer than many folks realize . Cause they are too busy
being lulled into this we are one all inclusive world peace and safety lie of satan himself . WE are MUCH farther along
than folks would even dare to realize . BUT THE SIGNS of the TIMES NEVER LIE my friend . AND THEY ARE SCREAMING
with much urgency , BE YE WATCHING for ye know not the hour nor the day THE LORD does COME .
 
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A Church leader appointing himself head of all churches. Most churches apostatizing and following him. It's happened before - but I did not say he will be a Pope. I don't know his identity. Do you perhaps?
The Mystery of inquity has long been at work my friend . And there are many anti christs at work to merge this world as one
right to the very day of armegedon .
 

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Hi Taken,

Actually, it is the G7 who control the G 20 who control the UN that are the Global Leaders. They use the IMF to control the world`s finances. The UN is just the motivator of the people, by their so called moral values - respect, tolerance, inclusiveness, etc. These are throughout every area of society. Thus the Global Government.

Political - G7 (Lion, Eagle, Bear, Leopard)
Economic - IMF.
Religious - UN.
And guess what else the G seven is and has become . THE D TEN .
You heard that right . THE D TEN . Now lets examine what this D TEN is all about .
A GLOBALIZED DIGITAL FIVE G SYSTEM . A system by which
any one who conforms not can be cut out unable to BUY OR SELL .
AND DO Take note . TEN . TEN KINGS are doing this . TEN OF THEM .
NOW HOW FAMILIAR DOES THAT SOUND .
The ten horns are ten kings who have recieved no kingdom as yet but shall rule one HOUR With the beast .
MAYHAPS WE ARE MUCH farther along than folks would THINK .
 
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A Church leader appointing himself head of all churches. Most churches apostatizing and following him. It's happened before - but I did not say he will be a Pope. I don't know his identity. Do you perhaps?
I see this more along the lines of the abomination of desolation, setting up an idol in the temple, in this case, a man in the temple presenting himself to be God.

Much love!
 
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A Church leader appointing himself head of all churches. Most churches apostatizing and following him. It's happened before - but I did not say he will be a Pope. I don't know his identity. Do you perhaps?
SIE religoins are Unifying as one under the love god now . Rome has had a huge part in this operation
as have the jews , as have many a imam and others .
The next pope up will reign over all religoins as appear very humble and be very all inclusive .
Waving rainbow flags and saying god is love and the time to be as one is now . MARK THOSE WORDS
cause in part its already happening . THEY GONNA CENTER THIS RIGHT IN JERUSALEM TOO .
THIS coexist was of satan as was rick warrens purpose driven lie, as was seeker friendly .
THIS was never about LOVE nor UNITY that comes of GOD .
IT WAS ALL about breaking down the churches and other false religoins too
to come as one and serve a one world agenda . AND FOLKS BOUGHT IT . I STAND AGAINST IT .
I Shun this false love to hell as well as its false unity . JESUS will be proclaimed on my watch as THE ONLY MEANS FOR SALVATION
and THAT ONE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM TO BE SAVED and THAT NO OTHER RELIGOION nor mindset can save . PEROID . AND I MEAN PEROID .
As well as ALL his teachings and all biblical reminders which keep a church and peoples safe , will i procliam . NO MATTER the cost to me .
I SUGGEST BIBLES BE OPENED cause a lot more churches and peoples are already under the spell than most folks realize .
 

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I see this more along the lines of the abomination of desolation, setting up an idol in the temple, in this case, a man in the temple presenting himself to be God.

Much love!
They have a pretty huge idol already . AN idol men have made . A god they have made that accepts sin and other paths in the name of a false love . An image of GOD has been set up amongst christendom as well as the false religoins as well as the secular to join them as one .
its of the dragon , but they call it LOVE .
 
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Your claim of Antiochus Epiphanies IV in 167BC doesn't fit the description in Daniel 11:37 below, he nor his father's worshipped the true Hebrew (God Of His Fathers), and he desired women having a wife and several children

The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers), and he won't desire women

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples: God Of His Fathers

(2 Kings) 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

(2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV
10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.
'ĕlôhîym of his fathers, or any 'ĕlôahh.

Exodus 32:31 And Moses returned to the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made themselves gods ['ĕlôhîym] of gold.

There are many places where the same word is used for gods, not God. Bible translators have a tough time sometimes knowing whether it's supposed to be translated as God, or gods. But I realize that many have a superstitious faith in one English translation of the Hebrew and Greek, so mentioning the fact that other translations' translators have gone with gods, is not going to get me anywhere with my argument in your case :) (Not that I mind, just saying). Especially not if you believe that wherever the English KJV disagrees with all the Greek texts, the English KJV is the original divinely inspired text.

Also, I know that Matthew Henry had a thorough knowledge of the whole history of Antiochus, and his commentary is - whether you shoot me or not - better than anyone else who knows much less than Matthew Henry knew about the history of that time, IMO.

So I believe Matthew Henry's commentary about who Daniel 11:37 is referring to, and I do believe he was a pagan, and so the newer English version translation of gods is A4OK.I'm 100% convinced it's talking about A4E.

I don't mind whether you think I'm wrong though, just putting it out there because it's stuff I've noticed, whether I'm right or wrong about A4E being the type of that man of sin. No one is ever going to agree on this stuff just because I still stick to what I wrote.
 

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'ĕlôhîym of his fathers, or any 'ĕlôahh.

Exodus 32:31 And Moses returned to the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made themselves gods ['ĕlôhîym] of gold.

There are many places where the same word is used for gods, not God. Bible translators have a tough time sometimes knowing whether it's supposed to be translated as God, or gods. But I realize that many have a superstitious faith in one English translation of the Hebrew and Greek, so mentioning the fact that other translations' translators have gone with gods, is not going to get me anywhere with my argument in your case :) (Not that I mind, just saying). Especially not if you believe that wherever the English KJV disagrees with all the Greek texts, the English KJV is the original divinely inspired text.

Also, I know that Matthew Henry had a thorough knowledge of the whole history of Antiochus, and his commentary is - whether you shoot me or not - better than anyone else who knows much less than Matthew Henry knew about the history of that time, IMO.

So I believe Matthew Henry's commentary about who Daniel 11:37 is referring to, and I do believe he was a pagan, and so the newer English version translation of gods is A4OK.I'm 100% convinced it's talking about A4E.

I don't mind whether you think I'm wrong though, just putting it out there because it's stuff I've noticed, whether I'm right or wrong about A4E being the type of that man of sin. No one is ever going to agree on this stuff just because I still stick to what I wrote.
Your claim of Antiochus Epiphanies IV in 167BC doesn't fit the description in Daniel 11:37 below, he desired women having a wife and several children

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
 

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Your claim of Antiochus Epiphanies IV in 167BC doesn't fit the description in Daniel 11:37 below, he desired women having a wife and several children

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
The desire of women could be referring to the desire women had for a certain deity - actually it could be referring to a hundred things, once you start guessing what it may be referring to - beginning with he's not interested in women desiring him (he's unable to be influenced by women's desires), to women desired this specific god and worshiped this god especially and he refused to pay attention to what women wanted him to worship, to ..... take your pick.

Oh yes, you've already taken your pick... except that it is referring to Antiochus and so you drew from the modern uninformed scholar's boxes.
 

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I see this more along the lines of the abomination of desolation, setting up an idol in the temple, in this case, a man in the temple presenting himself to be God.

Much love!
1 Corinthians 3
16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God shall destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which you are.
 

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SIE religoins are Unifying as one under the love god now . Rome has had a huge part in this operation
as have the jews , as have many a imam and others .
The next pope up will reign over all religoins as appear very humble and be very all inclusive .
Waving rainbow flags and saying god is love and the time to be as one is now . MARK THOSE WORDS
cause in part its already happening . THEY GONNA CENTER THIS RIGHT IN JERUSALEM TOO .
THIS coexist was of satan as was rick warrens purpose driven lie, as was seeker friendly .
THIS was never about LOVE nor UNITY that comes of GOD .
IT WAS ALL about breaking down the churches and other false religoins too
to come as one and serve a one world agenda . AND FOLKS BOUGHT IT . I STAND AGAINST IT .
I Shun this false love to hell as well as its false unity . JESUS will be proclaimed on my watch as THE ONLY MEANS FOR SALVATION
and THAT ONE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM TO BE SAVED and THAT NO OTHER RELIGOION nor mindset can save . PEROID . AND I MEAN PEROID .
As well as ALL his teachings and all biblical reminders which keep a church and peoples safe , will i procliam . NO MATTER the cost to me .
I SUGGEST BIBLES BE OPENED cause a lot more churches and peoples are already under the spell than most folks realize .
I partly agree, but not if you link it to "not keeping sabbath". i.e I don't fully agree if you're an SDA or Hebrew Roots "Let's keep the laws of Moses alive and seek to obey the 10 Commandments i.e the letter of the law to be righteous" (instead of "Let's abide in the Vine through faith in Christ because the fruit of the Vine / fruit of the Spirit fulfills all the law, including the sabbath when we rest in Christ").
 

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The Church Leader was born in a Manger, and He walked this earth amongst men, salvation is established by faith in Jesus Christ

The Church and its order was established "Before Pentecost" as Jesus taught clearly below in Matthew 18:15-17

Matthew 18:15-17KJV
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

The word `church`means assembly and at that time the only Godly assembly was ISRAEL. They are also called the church, assembly, congregation in the wilderness. (Acts 7: 38)
 
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So this is what we glean from scripture:

Antiochus IV Epiphanes is the biblical type of the man of sin of 2 Thessalonians 2:4:

Daniel 11
36 And the king shall do according to his will. And he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper until the fury is fulfilled. For that which is decreed shall be done.

37 He will not regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god. For he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let not anyone deceive you by any means. For that Day shall not come unless there first comes a falling away, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition,

4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself forth, that he is God.

Revelation 13

5 And a mouth speaking great things was given to it, and blasphemies. And authority was given to it to continue forty-two months.
6 And it opened its mouth in blasphemy toward God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, and those dwelling in Heaven.
7 And it was given to it to war with the saints and to overcome them.

Daniel 8:11; Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11 are referring to the abomination of desolation that was set up in the holy place by Antiochus IV Epiphanes; but Daniel Chapter 12 is also the first part of the prophecy which is complemented (completed) by Jesus in Revelation 10:

Daniel 12:7
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was on the waters of the river, when he held up his right and his left hand to Heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half. And when they have made an end of scattering the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Revelation 10:5-7
5 And the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the earth lifted his hand to the heaven,
6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created the heaven and the things in it, and the earth and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it, that there should no longer be time.
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he will begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He has declared to His servants the prophets.

Daniel 12:1-13 is complemented (completed) by Revelation 10:1-7, and Daniel Chapter 12 points both back to the abomination set up by Antiochus, and forward to the time of the end.

There are two separate times in the book of Daniel that the word "abomination" is associated with the temple of God, and there is a major difference between the two:

1. The abomination of desolation (singular) set up by Antiochus IV Epiphanes did not result in the destruction of the temple: After he was ousted by the Maccabees, the temple was cleansed, rededicated, and reconsecrated to God.
2. The abominations (plural) that were committed in Daniel 9:27 would result in the destruction of the temple.

This means that we have to look for a man seating himself up in the sanctuary of God (2 Thessalonians 2:4), at a time when an apostasy (Greek: ho apostasia) occurs. And this means that we have to establish "which" sanctuary of God the Greek word naos which is used in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 for "temple" denotes.

And you'll be looking at someone seating himself up in the church, if you become aware of the last time the word naos is used in the New Testament in reference to the Jerusalem temple.

I noticed you did not address the scriptures I posted.
 

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And guess what else the G seven is and has become . THE D TEN .
You heard that right . THE D TEN . Now lets examine what this D TEN is all about .
A GLOBALIZED DIGITAL FIVE G SYSTEM . A system by which
any one who conforms not can be cut out unable to BUY OR SELL .
AND DO Take note . TEN . TEN KINGS are doing this . TEN OF THEM .
NOW HOW FAMILIAR DOES THAT SOUND .
The ten horns are ten kings who have recieved no kingdom as yet but shall rule one HOUR With the beast .
MAYHAPS WE ARE MUCH farther along than folks would THINK .

Thak you for that information. Now the D ten would be part of the Economic aspect of the GG, not the Political. The 10 kings which come from the terrifying beastly kingdom are of that kingdom - Political.

Iraq, Syria, Jordan, (3)
Kwait, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Omar, Yemen, Saudi Arabia. (7)
 

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1 Corinthians 3
16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God shall destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which you are.
Do you see Satan "sitting in the body of Christ"? That has never seemed right to me.

Much love!
 

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And guess what else the G seven is and has become . THE D TEN .
You heard that right . THE D TEN . Now lets examine what this D TEN is all about .
A GLOBALIZED DIGITAL FIVE G SYSTEM . A system by which
any one who conforms not can be cut out unable to BUY OR SELL .
AND DO Take note . TEN . TEN KINGS are doing this . TEN OF THEM .
NOW HOW FAMILIAR DOES THAT SOUND .
The ten horns are ten kings who have recieved no kingdom as yet but shall rule one HOUR With the beast .
MAYHAPS WE ARE MUCH farther along than folks would THINK .

There will be a system the world govy will “own” everything, thus no individual “selling” and there will not be “buying” but rather, a system of “credits”, obey, get nominal credits for “receiving” very basics. Disobey, and “credits” will be deleted, as quick as Trumps votes disappeared! Thus the person is punished for not obeying; ie not working where they say, meeting quotas, speaking against the govt, etc.
“Credits” for water, elec, fuel, food, etc. Bondage! China has implemented some of the credit system already.
 
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The desire of women could be referring to the desire women had for a certain deity
Not if your reading the King James Version

Your claim of Antiochus Epiphanies IV in 167BC doesn't fit the description in Daniel 11:37 below, he desired women having a wife and several children

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

(Daniel) 11:37NIV
37 He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all.
 

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The word `church`means assembly and at that time the only Godly assembly was ISRAEL. They are also called the church, assembly, congregation in the wilderness. (Acts 7: 38)
We Disagree

Jesus Was Speaking To The Church, Where There Isn't Jew Nor Greek

To Claim Jesus Was Giving Brotherly Instruction To "Unsaved Jews, Israel" Outside The Church Is "Far Fetched"

Conclusion: The Church And Its Instructional Order Was In Place When Jesus Talked And Walked Upon The Earth, "Prior To The Day Of Pentecost"

"Church" Strong's Number G1577 matches the Greek ἐκκλησία (ekklēsia),
which occurs 118 times in 115 verses in the TR Greek.

Matthew 18:17KJV
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
 
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