The Final Gentile Global Leader.

[Truth7t7]

And your scriptures showing that the B/C will be on the earth during the trib, please?

You have clearly been given the scripture, those future believers "The Church" in Luke 21 who are persecuted for the name of Jesus Christ, they will be eyewitnesses of the great tribulation and second coming

Tribulation verses 26-26 below, the Second Coming verses 27-28

Luke 21:17 & 25-28KJV
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Truth7t7]

Hi Taken,

Actually, it is the G7 who control the G 20 who control the UN that are the Global Leaders. They use the IMF to control the world`s finances. The UN is just the motivator of the people, by their so called moral values - respect, tolerance, inclusiveness, etc. These are throughout every area of society. Thus the Global Government.

Political - G7 (Lion, Eagle, Bear, Leopard)
Economic - IMF.
Religious - UN.

Assumption and Speculation, Conspiracy

Just Like the 10 Nations that first formed the EU, as Conspiracy enthusiasts proclaimed they were the 10 Kings in Revelation, now there are 27 EU member countries throwing that Conspiracy in the trash can

 

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@Marty fox
I been trying to understand the conversation between you and @Truth7t7

Are you asking to prove: How is the Antichrist a physical specific man in the future?

Or do you also mean to ask how is the man of sin, little horn, a physical future man as well?

Perhaps you’re asking how he identifies the spirit of Antichrist with the man of sin since Antichrist isn’t 1 person. It can be many. It can be argued that there is one man of sin and does he also carry with him a spirit of Antichrist? That is different than calling him Antichrist.

The question can be difficult to understand if the reader doesn’t have the full context of what exactly is being asked.

This is a good example of why I find following the Biblical terms and names.

The man of sin has yet to be revealed. The beast from the sea will be granted authority and will empower the beast from the earth. Antichrist has come, and will come.

I suggest as we speak of these different passages, to not migrate the names from one to the other. Antichrist does not rise from the sea, for instance, the beast does.

Much love!

 

[Marilyn C]

You have clearly been given the scripture, those future believers "The Church" in Luke 21 who are persecuted for the name of Jesus Christ, they will be eyewitnesses of the great tribulation and second coming

Tribulation verses 26-26 below, the Second Coming verses 27-28

Luke 21:17 & 25-28KJV
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

So how is it that the B/C is mentioned there when Jesus had NOT revealed it at that time. The B/C revelation was only revealed to the Apostle Paul much later. (Eph. 3: 5 `the mystery (of the B/C) which in other ages was NOT KNOWN to the sons of men...`

 

[Marilyn C]

Assumption and Speculation, Conspiracy

And your proof? So why does the World call them the Quartet of Power and the Big 4.

I think you need to do some homework. (as coming from a former teacher.)

 

[Truth7t7]

And your proof? So why does the World call them the Quartet of Power and the Big 4.

I think you need to do some homework. (as coming from a former teacher.)

Assumption, Speculation, Conspiracy

 

[Truth7t7]

So how is it that the B/C is mentioned there when Jesus had NOT revealed it at that time. The B/C revelation was only revealed to the Apostle Paul much later. (Eph. 3: 5 `the mystery (of the B/C) which in other ages was NOT KNOWN to the sons of men...`

Those seen in Luke 21 are "Christians" followers of Jesus Christ his "Church" who are persecuted for the name of Jesus Christ

Luke 21:17KJV
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

 

[Marilyn C]

Assumption, Speculation, Conspiracy

`Be diligent to present yourself approved of God, a worker who does not need to be ASHAMED, rightly dividing the word of truth. But SHUN PROFANE AND VAIN BABBLINGS, for they will increase to more ungodliness. ` (2 Tim. 2: 15 & 16)

 

[Marilyn C]

Those seen in Luke 21 are "Christians" followers of Jesus Christ his "Church" who are persecuted for the name of Jesus Christ

Luke 21:17KJV
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

That is the JEWS.

 

[Truth7t7]

That is the JEWS.

Those persecuted for the name of Jesus Christ are "Christians" the "Church" where there is neither Jew nor Greek

(Dual Covenant Theology) Jew/Church in (Two Peoples Of God) this teaching is contrary to scriptural truth, its found in the false teachings of John N. Darby and C.I. Scofield better known as dispensationalism

Luke 21:17KJV
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

 

[Marilyn C]

Those persecuted for the name of Jesus Christ are "Christians" the "Church" where there is neither Jew nor Greek

(Dual Covenant Theology) Jew/Church in (Two Peoples Of God) this teaching is contrary to scriptural truth, its found in the false teachings of John N. Darby and C.I. Scofield better known as dispensationalism

Luke 21:17KJV
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

So the Church which was born on the Day of Pentecost was already born before that? Please show where?

 

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So the Church which was born on the Day of Pentecost was already born before that? Please show where?

The simple truth is that the Body of Christ was a mystery - unknown and unknowable without revelation - revealed through Paul. So then the prophecies previous were not about the Body of Christ, including Matthew 24 and 25, and Luke, and the OT.

Even the OT passages of Gentiles being saved were not prophecies of the Body of Christ.

But unless we are willing to accept this reality . . . if you don't get the intermediate steps right, how will you arrive at the correct sum?

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

So the Church which was born on the Day of Pentecost was already born before that? Please show where?

The Church Leader was born in a Manger, and He walked this earth amongst men, salvation is established by faith in Jesus Christ

The Church and its order was established "Before Pentecost" as Jesus taught clearly below in Matthew 18:15-17

Matthew 18:15-17KJV
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

 

[Truth7t7]

The simple truth is that the Body of Christ was a mystery - unknown and unknowable without revelation - revealed through Paul. So then the prophecies previous were not about the Body of Christ, including Matthew 24 and 25, and Luke, and the OT.

Even the OT passages of Gentiles being saved were not prophecies of the Body of Christ.

But unless we are willing to accept this reality . . . if you don't get the intermediate steps right, how will you arrive at the correct sum?

Much love!

"False"

The Church and its order was established by Jesus Christ when he walked this earth, as seen in post #93 above

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[No Pre-TB]

John's (The Beast) Future Unfulfilled

Revelation 19:19-20KJV
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Ahhh. So you think the 4th beast of the sea is a man? Was any of the 3 other beasts of the sea a man too?

 

[No Pre-TB]

The man of sin has yet to be revealed. The beast from the sea will be granted authority and will empower the beast from the earth. Antichrist has come, and will come.

If I may suggest something, the beast of the sea isn’t given authority, the mouth is (Rev 13:5-7). The mouthpiece’s authority is the 11th horn on the beast which symbolizes as a king. The beast of the sea itself doesn’t wear a crown of authority nor do any of the 7 previous heads; the horns do. The horns and the beast of the sea are not the same.

 

[Zao is life]

The Final Gentile Global Leader.


We know from scripture where this Leader will arise and what his nationality is. We are also told that he is an Assyrian. Now this is a nationality even today. Andre Agassi, the famous tennis player is of Assyrian descent.


His nationality – Assyrian. (Isa. 31: 8 Micah 5: 5)

The region he comes from – the Ancient Assyrian Empire. (Dan. 11: 35 – 43)

Leader of Ancient Assyrian region - Iraq, Syria & Jordan. (Dan. 7: 8)

Leader of Islamic Federation – 10 kings of Islam. (Dan. 7: 8, Rev. 17: 12)

He rules the world – (Rev. 16: 13 & 14, 19: 19)


Marilyn.

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So this is what we glean from scripture:

Antiochus IV Epiphanes is the biblical type of the man of sin of 2 Thessalonians 2:4:

Daniel 11
36 And the king shall do according to his will. And he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper until the fury is fulfilled. For that which is decreed shall be done.

37 He will not regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god. For he shall magnify himself above all.

2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let not anyone deceive you by any means. For that Day shall not come unless there first comes a falling away, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition,

4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself forth, that he is God.

Revelation 13
5 And a mouth speaking great things was given to it, and blasphemies. And authority was given to it to continue forty-two months.
6 And it opened its mouth in blasphemy toward God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, and those dwelling in Heaven.
7 And it was given to it to war with the saints and to overcome them.

Daniel 8:11; Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11 are referring to the abomination of desolation that was set up in the holy place by Antiochus IV Epiphanes; but Daniel Chapter 12 is also the first part of the prophecy which is complemented (completed) by Jesus in Revelation 10:

Daniel 12:7
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was on the waters of the river, when he held up his right and his left hand to Heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half. And when they have made an end of scattering the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Revelation 10:5-7
5 And the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the earth lifted his hand to the heaven,
6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created the heaven and the things in it, and the earth and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it, that there should no longer be time.
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he will begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He has declared to His servants the prophets.

Daniel 12:1-13 is complemented (completed) by Revelation 10:1-7, and Daniel Chapter 12 points both back to the abomination set up by Antiochus, and forward to the time of the end.

There are two separate times in the book of Daniel that the word "abomination" is associated with the temple of God, and there is a major difference between the two:

1. The abomination of desolation (singular) set up by Antiochus IV Epiphanes did not result in the destruction of the temple: After he was ousted by the Maccabees, the temple was cleansed, rededicated, and reconsecrated to God.
2. The abominations (plural) that were committed in Daniel 9:27 would result in the destruction of the temple.

This means that we have to look for a man seating himself up in the sanctuary of God (2 Thessalonians 2:4), at a time when an apostasy (Greek: ho apostasia) occurs. And this means that we have to establish "which" sanctuary of God the Greek word naos which is used in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 for "temple" denotes.

And you'll be looking at someone seating himself up in the church, if you become aware of the last time the word naos is used in the New Testament in reference to the Jerusalem temple.

 

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If I may suggest something, the beast of the sea isn’t given authority, the mouth is (Rev 13:5-7). The mouthpiece’s authority is the 11th horn on the beast which symbolizes as a king. The beast of the sea itself doesn’t wear a crown of authority nor do any of the 7 previous heads; the horns do. The horns and the beast of the sea are not the same.

Hi, I'm referring to this:

Revelation 13:1-2 LITV
1) And I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten diadems, and on its heads names of blasphemy.
2) And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and its feet as of a bear, and its mouth as a lion's mouth. And the dragon gave its power to it, and its throne, and great authority.

Much love!

 

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And you'll be looking at someone seating himself up in the church, if you become aware of the last time the word naos is used in the New Testament in reference to the Jerusalem temple.

What does that mean, "seating himself up in the church"?

Much love!

 

[Zao is life]

What does that mean, "seating himself up in the church"?

Much love!

A Church leader appointing himself head of all churches. Most churches apostatizing and following him. It's happened before - but I did not say he will be a Pope. I don't know his identity. Do you perhaps?