Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

[Daydreamer]

No – I never said that because that’s NOT what Jesus taught.

Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is BAPTIZED will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of Water and the Spirit.

Well now you are in an impossible position. For Cornelius and his household received the Holy Spirit as the disciples did at pentecost and spoke in tongues before they were baptised in water. So if you don't believe they were in a saved state before they got baptised in water, you must agree with the catholic I chatted to yesterday about this. Have you changed your mind since your last post?

 

[BreadOfLife]

EVERYBODY?
Uh, Pretty sure some left because they were not ignorant of its hiding and rewarding child molesters.

You just proved my point.
ANYBODY who leaves Christ because of the sins of MEN leaves because of ignorance and/or lack of faith.

Jesus guaranteed that HIS Church would not succumb to darkness.
Je DIDN’T say that men WITHIN His Church wouldn’t.
In fact, He WARNED about them (Matt. 7:15-19).

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well now you are in an impossible position. For Cornelius and his household received the Holy Spirit as the disciples did at pentecost and spoke in tongues before they were baptised in water. So if you don't believe they were in a saved state before they got baptised in water, you must agree with the catholic I chatted to yesterday about this. Have you changed your mind since your last post?

You could say the SAME thing about the Thief on the Cross - and you'd STILL be wrong.
YOUR error is that you are using the exceptions as the NORM.

The normative way for us to be saved is through Baptism (John 3:5, Marl 16:16).
This is NOT an option – but God DOES make exceptions.

 

[Daydreamer]

You could say the SAME thing about the Thief on the Cross - and you'd STILL be wrong.
YOUR error is that you are using the exceptions as the NORM.

The normative way for us to be saved is through Baptism (John 3:5, Marl 16:16).
This is NOT an option – but God DOES make exceptions.

Not really, the thief on the cross had no time to be baptised. I did not say I saw it as the norm. But thank you for clarifying you believe it is possible for a person to be placed in a saved state prior to being baptised in water, though I acknowledge you don't believe it is the norm

 

[BreadOfLife]

Not really, the thief on the cross had no time to be baptised. I did not say I saw it as the norm. But thank you for clarifying you believe it is possible for a person to be placed in a saved state prior to being baptised in water, though I acknowledge you don't believe it is the norm

With God – ALL things are possible.
This doesn’t mean that it is likely.

As for being “Saved” – the Bible assure us that we as Christians are ALREADY SAVED (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8).
This is Initial Salvation – God give us the initial grace to believe.

However, because Salvation is a LIFELONG process – it ALSO says that I am BEING SAVED (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14).
This is Ongoing Sanctification – God is sanctifying us throughout our life as we cooperate with his grace.

Because of this, I have the hope that I WILL BE SAVED (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).
This is Final Sanctification/Salvation – We die and go to heaven having endured to the end.

 

[Taken]

You just proved my point.

Not at all.

ANYBODY who leaves Christ ...

Deflection noted!
No one said anything about leaving Christ.

 

[Taken]

This is NOT an option – but God DOES make exceptions.

BOL teaching.

 

[Taken]

– the Bible assure us that we as Christians are ALREADY SAVED .

This is Initial Salvation – God give us the initial grace to believe.

However, because Salvation is a LIFELONG process –

This is Ongoing Sanctification – God is sanctifying us throughout our life as we cooperate with his grace.

I have the hope that I WILL BE SAVED-

This is Final Sanctification/Salvation – We die and go to heaven having endured to the end.

BOL catholic teaching;
Already saved.
Hope he will be saved.

 

[Taken]

Difference between Catholic and Protestant.
OP ^

One says he is saved, but then hopes to be saved.
One is saved, period.

 

[theefaith]

My answer going forward:

I have made my peace with God about it and God has granted me peace about my decision. If He granted me peace, I have obviously worked in concert with Him. The devil doesn't give peace the way that God does.

apologetics is about information: hope you’re not offended?

truth matters!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Not at all.
Deflection noted!
No one said anything about leaving Christ.

Simple logic -
- Jesus identified His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).
- Jesus tells the leaders of His Church that whoever listens to or rejects them listens to or rejects HIM and the ONE who sent Him (Luke 10:16).

Ipso facto - walk away from Christ’s Church – you walk away from Christ Himself.

BOL teaching.

Ummmmm, yeah.
It's not YOUR option - it's GOD'S.

 

[Naomanos]

apologetics is about information: hope you’re not offended?

truth matters!

Not offended at all. I have given you truth as well.

 

[theefaith]

I will comment on the above.

I did no such thing. I still go to a liturgical church. No alter calls. No accepting Christ as my personal lord and savior.

Not all who leave the Catholic church go to a non-liturgical church.

Still Only one true church one valid priesthood

I always found it strange that some sect have an altar call but no altar!

 

[Naomanos]

It's not YOUR option - it's GOD'S.

I walked away from the church after talking with God about it. It wasn't something I just did. It was a couple year process.

I have made my peace with God about it and God has granted me peace about my decision. If He granted me peace, I have obviously worked in concert with Him. The devil doesn't give peace the way that God does.

 

[Naomanos]

Still Only one true church one valid priesthood

I always found it strange that some sect have an altar call but no altar!

My church has an altar, but no altar calls.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Difference between Catholic and Protestant.
OP ^

One says he is saved, but then hopes to be saved.
One is saved, period.

That’s NOT what the Bible says . . .

Born again Christiabn are WARNED in Scripture not to fal BACK into darkness, lest they LOSE their secure position (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

OSAS is a man-made crock . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

My church has an altar, but no altar calls.

The purpose of an altar is to offer sacrifice.
What do you sacrifice on that altar?

 

[Naomanos]

The purpose of an altar is to offer sacrifice.
What do you sacrifice on that altar?

In my church it is where the offerings are presented and the bread and wine are consecrated in the eucharist.

 

[Taken]

- Jesus identified His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).

Jesus IS His Church...
Built ON...The ROCK Foundation THAT:
“Jesus IS the Christ the Son of the Living God”.

A man leaving the man established catholic church has nothing to do with a man leaving Christ’s Church.

A man IN Christ’s Church can NEVER LEAVE Christ’s Church!

- Jesus

tells the leaders of His Church ....

TO PREACH HIS WORD!

that whoever listens to or rejects them listens to or rejects HIM and the ONE who sent Him (Luke 10:16).

1 Thes 5:
[21] Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

1 Gal 6:
[6] I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
[7] Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
[8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
[9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Ummmmm, yeah...

Testing your man-made gospel against your man-made gospel;

 

[Taken]

That’s NOT what the Bible says . . .

Born again Christiabn are WARNED in Scripture not to fal BACK into darkness, lest they LOSE their secure position (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

OSAS is a man-made crock . . .

Yet Another of your SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING FAILS.
(Ding, Ding, Ding, the suffix ED, is past tense, already accomplish-ED!)

Believers are WARN-ED.
Converted are SAV-ED.