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Yes, if you put all the big words pertaining to salvation together they can all be categorized under faith or belief, just as Christ likewise did with all the law in only two commandments.

another 16th century gospel!

“IF ANYONE SAY A MAN MAY BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH ALONE LET HIM BE ANATHEMA! Holy apostolic council of Trent!

mk 16:16

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned

Mark 16:16 The requirements for those who are being saved cannot be undone by the requirements for those not being saved! He who believes and is baptized is still required for salvation? Heaven and earth may pass away but my words shall not pass away!

It is Reasonable that if one rejects faith why bother mentioning the second requirement?

So don’t negate the word of God or Jesus by trying to delete one verse with another.


1 cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

none sound like “faith alone” much less the spirit alone
 

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Agreed. "Born of Water" refers to normal child birth, where the beginning of labor is closely tied to 'the water breaking.'

Being born of water is not the same as baptism, which symbolizes death of the old life (going under water) and the emergence of the new life (coming up from the water).

Totally agree, besides, there is not a thing about "baptism" at all in the verses about the conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus.
 
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Yes, if you put all the big words pertaining to salvation together they can all be categorized under faith or belief, just as Christ likewise did with all the law in only two commandments.

you CANNOT enter the kingdom by “faith alone”!
Jn 3:5 water and the spirit
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You cannot enter on you’re own or by faith alone!

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
 

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Totally agree, besides, there is not a thing about "baptism" at all in the verses about the conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus.

really? What’s not there at all is “faith alone”!
Read Jn 3:22 they I went to the river (water) and baptized
And disciples are made by baptism Matt 28:19 Jn 4:1
 

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Jn 3:5 by water AND the spirit!

New covenant initiation requires an outward sign given by God!

A sacrament is an oath! A sacred promise from God! Ez 36:25-27
Acts 2:38-39 (this promise)


A sacrament is an outward sign for all men including infants And a gift from God to help us see what he does inwardly and invisibly by his grace!

As grace Washes our souls in the merits of Jesus blood from original and personal sin, so the outward action of washing is visible!

without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!

Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away your sin!

Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!

They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “

They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22

A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!

Ez 36:25 I will sprinkle you with clean water and you shall be made white as snow.

Acts 22:16 washing away your sins.

Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 pet 3:21 baptism saves you.

You cannot enter on you’re own or by faith alone!

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,


Baptism!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 eph 2

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!



Christ instituted the holy church for the salvation of all men, (repent and believe the gospel, with the institution of the sacraments to convey grace to sanctify souls!


Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 2:1&5 brought to life in baptism
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!

2 Peter 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

The Christian sacrament of baptism is the Initiation into the new covenant and must be ministered to you by the apostles!




“Faith alone”

Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.

How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?

If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!

Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2

Faith alone” unbiblical!

WATER AND THE SPIRIT!
Baptismal regeneration is the biblical mandate!!!
If you are going to spam me with all that religious jargon, I'm not going to explain.

If you don't know that you were already born of water in natural birth, and what must come next is to be born of the spirit of God ("water and spirit"), but must add to that a religious practice--that's just religion.

Read the Bible.
 
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another 16th century gospel!

“IF ANYONE SAY A MAN MAY BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH ALONE LET HIM BE ANATHEMA! Holy apostolic council of Trent!

mk 16:16

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned

Mark 16:16 The requirements for those who are being saved cannot be undone by the requirements for those not being saved! He who believes and is baptized is still required for salvation? Heaven and earth may pass away but my words shall not pass away!

It is Reasonable that if one rejects faith why bother mentioning the second requirement?

So don’t negate the word of God or Jesus by trying to delete one verse with another.


1 cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

none sound like “faith alone” much less the spirit alone
Religion, not truth.
 

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you CANNOT enter the kingdom by “faith alone”!
Jn 3:5 water and the spirit
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You cannot enter on you’re own or by faith alone!

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
You have not understood the scriptures.

Peter is not saying baptism is that entrance, He is saying it is a ministry pointing to that actual entrance whom is Christ.
 
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really? What’s not there at all is “faith alone”!
Read Jn 3:22 they I went to the river (water) and baptized
And disciples are made by baptism Matt 28:19 Jn 4:1
No idea what you are on about theefaith, when did "faith alone" come into the conversation?? I am speaking about the story of Nicodemus and Jesus, I will paste it here to remind you of the WHOLE story and you will not find one reference to "baptism" in any of it. Why do so many immediately equate water with baptism??:smlhmm:

Jesus and Nicodemus (John 3:1-21)

1 Now there came a man of the Pharisees whose name was Nicodemus, a member of the council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could do the miraculous signs that you do unless God were with him.”

3 Jesus replied, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter his mother’s womb and be born a second time, can he?”

5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born from above.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9 Nicodemus replied, “How can these things be?”

10 Jesus answered, “Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you don’t understand these things? 11 I tell you the solemn truth, we speak about what we know and testify about what we have seen, but you people do not accept our testimony. 12 If I have told you people about earthly things and you don’t believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended from heaven—the Son of Man. 14 Just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.”

16 For this is the way God loved the world: he gave his one and only Son that everyone who believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God. 19 Now this is the basis for judging: that the light has come into the world and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil deeds hates the light and does not come to the light, so that their deeds will not be exposed. 21 But the one who practices the truth comes to the light, so that it may be plainly evident that his deeds have been done in God.146

 

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If you are going to spam me with all that religious jargon, I'm not going to explain.

If you don't know that you were already born of water in natural birth, and what must come next is to be born of the spirit of God ("water and spirit"), but must add to that a religious practice--that's just religion.

Read the Bible.

the new covenant is a religion
 

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All who call upon the Name of the LORD shall be saved. It seems the requirement is rather simple.

Much love!
That is ONE of the requirements. Scripture lists many more....
 

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Religion, not truth.

Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17

Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

Truth is immutable! Cannot change!
 

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You have not understood the scriptures.

Peter is not saying baptism is that entrance, He is saying it is a ministry pointing to that actual entrance whom is Christ.

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

vs 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

baptismal regeneration is the initiation into the KINGDOM!
 

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No idea what you are on about theefaith, when did "faith alone" come into the conversation?? I am speaking about the story of Nicodemus and Jesus, I will paste it here to remind you of the WHOLE story and you will not find one reference to "baptism" in any of it. Why do so many immediately equate water with baptism??:smlhmm:

Jesus and Nicodemus (John 3:1-21)


1 Now there came a man of the Pharisees whose name was Nicodemus, a member of the council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could do the miraculous signs that you do unless God were with him.”

3 Jesus replied, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter his mother’s womb and be born a second time, can he?”

5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born from above.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9 Nicodemus replied, “How can these things be?”

10 Jesus answered, “Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you don’t understand these things? 11 I tell you the solemn truth, we speak about what we know and testify about what we have seen, but you people do not accept our testimony. 12 If I have told you people about earthly things and you don’t believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended from heaven—the Son of Man. 14 Just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.”

16 For this is the way God loved the world: he gave his one and only Son that everyone who believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God. 19 Now this is the basis for judging: that the light has come into the world and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil deeds hates the light and does not come to the light, so that their deeds will not be exposed. 21 But the one who practices the truth comes to the light, so that it may be plainly evident that his deeds have been done in God.146
Hi Nancy,

The BOOKS of John should be taken into CONTEXT:

John 1:33 Jesus was baptized in water and the Holy Spirit came down upon him.
John 2:1-11: In his first miracle Jesus used water from “six stone jars … for the Jewish rites of purification.” These purification waters were called baptismoi.
John 3:5 Jesus then says to Nicodemus that one must be born again of water and Spirit.
John 3:22-26 Jesus and his disciples go and baptize with water.
John 4: Jesus’ disciples then begin to baptize at Jesus’ command. Jesus associates' water with living water giving eternal life.

But in the middle of all that (John 3:5) your men have taught you that Jesus uses water as a reference to birth? Even though in the rest of the book of John it means baptismal water and Spirit.

Besides that, EVERYONE is born of water soooo to say John 3:5 relates to "birth" is redundant. It's like saying "You must be born before you can receive the Holy Spirit". It makes no sense.

After the crucifixion of Jesus, the Apostles taught when one is baptized in WATER, they receive the Holy Spirit (just like Jesus did) and their sins are washed away, and they are a new person (born again).
 

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No idea what you are on about theefaith, when did "faith alone" come into the conversation?? I am speaking about the story of Nicodemus and Jesus, I will paste it here to remind you of the WHOLE story and you will not find one reference to "baptism" in any of it. Why do so many immediately equate water with baptism??:smlhmm:

Jesus and Nicodemus (John 3:1-21)


1 Now there came a man of the Pharisees whose name was Nicodemus, a member of the council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could do the miraculous signs that you do unless God were with him.”

3 Jesus replied, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter his mother’s womb and be born a second time, can he?”

5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born from above.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9 Nicodemus replied, “How can these things be?”

10 Jesus answered, “Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you don’t understand these things? 11 I tell you the solemn truth, we speak about what we know and testify about what we have seen, but you people do not accept our testimony. 12 If I have told you people about earthly things and you don’t believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended from heaven—the Son of Man. 14 Just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.”

16 For this is the way God loved the world: he gave his one and only Son that everyone who believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God. 19 Now this is the basis for judging: that the light has come into the world and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil deeds hates the light and does not come to the light, so that their deeds will not be exposed. 21 But the one who practices the truth comes to the light, so that it may be plainly evident that his deeds have been done in God.146

you forgot the most important verse! Vs 22

(Actions speak louder than words)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

they did not go to town and preach “accept Christ by (faith alone) as you’re person lord and savior”
That verse ain’t in scripture!
 
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Hi Nancy,

The BOOKS of John should be taken into CONTEXT:

John 1:33 Jesus was baptized in water and the Holy Spirit came down upon him.
John 2:1-11: In his first miracle Jesus used water from “six stone jars … for the Jewish rites of purification.” These purification waters were called baptismoi.
John 3:5 Jesus then says to Nicodemus that one must be born again of water and Spirit.
John 3:22-26 Jesus and his disciples go and baptize with water.
John 4: Jesus’ disciples then begin to baptize at Jesus’ command. Jesus associates' water with living water giving eternal life.

But in the middle of all that (John 3:5) your men have taught you that Jesus uses water as a reference to birth? Even though in the rest of the book of John it means baptismal water and Spirit.

Besides that, EVERYONE is born of water soooo to say John 3:5 relates to "birth" is redundant. It's like saying "You must be born before you can receive the Holy Spirit". It makes no sense.

After the crucifixion of Jesus, the Apostles taught when one is baptized in WATER, they receive the Holy Spirit (just like Jesus did) and their sins are washed away, and they are a new person (born again).

"6 What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit." Why did Jesus say this to Nicodemus?

12 "If I have told you people about earthly things and you don’t believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things?"

Earthly things...born from the womb, spiritual things, born from above.

I just don't see "water" as always meaning baptism...we will have to just disagree, hopefully peacefully. I know I am not as well versed as most on here, including yourself but, He is teaching me as I can receive.
In Him,
Nancy

By the way no man taught me this as it came to me years back but, nobody listened or agreed and now I see several who see the very same thing. Either way, we must be born again!
Nancy
 
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you forgot the most important verse! Vs 22

(Actions speak louder than words)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

they did not go to town and preach “accept Christ by (faith alone) as you’re person lord and savior”
That verse ain’t in scripture!
Where did I ever say "by faith alone"?? We are saved by grace THROUGH faith. Water baptism IMHO, is an outward confession and a death and new life. We get baptized after believing, surrendering our lives to Christ. Jesus allowed John to baptize Him as an example to those onlooking...did He need saving??
Lets just leave off here as neither one of us will ever come to agreement and, I don't want to be at odds with anyone.
God bless.
 

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OK, it's time to wrap this up! It may be a long post, but it all needs to be said together. I will explain with the ability the Lord has given me, which is not saying much, for the Lord has little to work with in me.

In explaining what is involved in the faith of our salvation, Paul told us In Eph. 4 there is one body, one spirit, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, and one Father. Some say this one baptism is water baptism, and some say this is the spiritual baptism taking place in the heart of man at the moment of salvation. So let's go to the Scripture and find out.

At Pentecost in Acts 2 the Holy Spirit came in a new dimension, the Scripture says, in a new and living way. The apostles and those with them were filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues. This is when the Holy Spirit came to dwell in man permanently by the promise of Christ.

John 14:15-20
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Notice the bold. Jesus said, "I will come unto you." He said He would pray and the Father would sent the Comforter (the Holy Spirit) to abide with us forever, and then He said "I will come unto you."

Then He said, "you are in me, and I in you." It's obvious Christ is not speaking of physically coming and being in us, but spiritually. So we see here that not only is the Holy Spirit dwelling in us, but Christ is also dwelling in us.

Paul said in Galatians 2:20, I am crucified with Christ, never the less I live, yet not I, but Christ lives in me. So we see that both the Holy Spirit and Christ take residence in the heart and spirit of the believer.

Do you remember Jeremiah saying that the day would come when the Lord would circumcise the heart of man? The circumcision of the foreskin of man would turn to the circumcision of the heart. This is the regeneration of man to salvation. It is Christ coming into the heart of man and living in him, which was hidden from us in the Old Testament, but revealed by Paul in the New Testament.

Look closely at what Paul says in Col. 2:10-13.

10 "And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;"

The words of Jeremiah were fulfilled in Christ! We are circumcised "through the faith of the operation of God."

In vs. 12, "buried with Him in baptism" does this sound familiar?

Rom. 6:3-5

3 "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:"


The "baptism into Christ" is revealed to us through Paul to be what Jeremiah prophesied so long ago as the "circumcision of the heart." It is the spiritual baptism of regeneration that takes place in the heart of man at the moment of salvation.

This is the "One Baptism" that Paul speaks of that is concerning our faith and salvation.

So what is the purpose of water baptism? Peter explained that in 1 Peter 3:21. Water baptism is the "like figure" the symbol of our spiritual baptism. The expression of our inward baptism that took place in the heart at conversion.
 
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"6 What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit." Why did Jesus say this to Nicodemus?

12 "If I have told you people about earthly things and you don’t believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things?"

Earthly things...born from the womb, spiritual things, born from above.

I just don't see "water" as always meaning baptism...we will have to just disagree, hopefully peacefully. I know I am not as well versed as most on here, including yourself but, He is teaching me as I can receive.
In Him,
Nancy

By the way no man taught me this as it came to me years back but, nobody listened or agreed and now I see several who see the very same thing. Either way, we must be born again!
Nancy
Thanks Nancy.

Another way to look at this is that at no point, not ever, not once does Scripture correspond water to mean birth water. To insert that interpretation into that vs is creating an entirely new interpretation never heard of BEFORE or SINCE and, as stated previously. i

In summary: There is no historical/scriptural Jewish correlation, the Christian correlation began AFTER the Reformation and .t is completely out of context for the book of John.

I get the gist of what you are saying when you say "no man taught you this". You studied Scripture and you came up with that interpretation. I get it. However, since you are (hu)man then that means that you, a (hu)man, taught yourself this which means a (hu)man did teach you this.

Respectfully, Mary
 
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That is ONE of the requirements. Scripture lists many more....
Are you saying that Not all who call upon the Name of the LORD shall be saved?

That passage is true, actually, all who call upon the Name of the LORD shall in fact be saved. God simplifies. Man complicates. God rules. Man wants to rule.

Much love!
 

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I get the gist of what you are saying when you say "no man taught you this". You studied Scripture and you came up with that interpretation. I get it. However, since you are (hu)man then that means that you, a (hu)man, taught yourself this which means a (hu)man did teach you this.

Respectfully, Mary
Is it actually respectful to deny that Nancy is taught by the Holy Spirit?

Much love!