Ferris Bueller
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Faith in God's promise of a Son all by itself MAKES a person righteous. Just as that was true for Abraham.
Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?
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Yes, I would also understand it to be that, as well. Although I believe water baptism in the name of Jesus (after we first saved by God’s grace without works) is also required as a part of our continued faith in the Lord Jesus. For the just shall live by faith. For the righteousness of God is revealed by the gospel (Romans 1:16). I take this righteousness to mean as: God forgiving sin and with Christ dying in our place for our sins when we first believe in Jesus, and I take this to also mean that we will live righteously by faith in following God’s instructions, too. For grace reigns through righteousness (Romans 5:21), and God’s grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12). For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”. (Romans 1:17). This faith starts off as a belief alone in Jesus for salvation but it then that faith continues to follow what God says. For example: Hebrews 11:7 says by faith, Noah prepared an ark to the saving of his house. So faith is more than just a belief alone (Although it starts off that way when we are first saved by Jesus Christ and transformed by the Spirit). We have to live out our faith from the beginning all the waaay to the end. We have to fight the good fight of faith and lay hold on eternal life (1 Timothy 6:12) (Which is not being preached these days).
not the gospel!
Mk 16:16
you can’t answer these questions
“Faith alone”
Questions
where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?
1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?
2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”
Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?
Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?
They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???
When we first believed we are saved?
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?
1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?
If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!
Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2
I believe Paul was referring to how we are Initially Saved in Romans 4:3-5.
But we also have to believe verses like 1 John 1:7, too. It says if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. Hebrews 11:7 also describes what faith is like. It says by faith Noah prepared an ark to the saving of his house. So this is also what faith looks like. Boasting is excluded when it comes to the faith (See: Romans 3:27). Therefore, the boasting of works in Ephesians 2:9 are not works done in faith. Ephesians 2:8-9 is also talking about our Initial Salvation, as well (See: Ephesians 2:1 and keep reading).
Again, this is not the Catholic Church or the Church of Christ’s understanding here on salvation. They both deny being initially saved by God’s grace without works (Which is a bold denial of many verses in Scripture). They falsely believe a work (water baptism) is what gets them first saved (When in reality the Bible teaches we are first saved by God’s grace without anything that we did or could boast about). The gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. But the gospel also calls us, too (2 Thessalonians 2:14). This call is… God has chosen you to salvation through the Sanctification of the Spirit and a belief of the truth (2 Thessalonians 2:13). For God’s grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).
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Okay brother @Bible Highlighter ...
Paul distinguishes between water baptism and the gospel in 1 Corinthians 1:17. Therefore, baptism cannot be a part of the gospel. Granted, the gospel reveals the righteousness of God and this can take the form of doing righteous acts of faith (like baptism) after we are first saved by God’s grace (without works) in our INITIAL Salvation in accepting Jesus Christ as our Savior alone (and not Mary). Mary cannot save you. Only Jesus can. Seek the Lord Jesus alone and follow His Word alone and not the traditions of men (Which is what your church is unfortunately teaching). Anyways, I love you in Christ, but I simply don’t like the teachings of your church because they are seriously unbiblical.
Peace be unto you in the Lord.
the church is the means of salvation
The sacraments are the means of grace
Can you baptize yourself?
2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
How can you enter by your own works if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”
A sacrament is an oath! A sacred promise from God! Ez 36:25-27
A sacrament is an outward sign for all men including infants And a gift from God to help us see what he does inwardly and invisibly by his grace!
As grace Washes our souls in the merits of Jesus blood from original and personal sin, so the outward action of washing is visible!
without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!
Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away your sin!
Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!
They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “
They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22
A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!
Ez 36:25 I will sprinkle you with clean water and you shall be made white as snow.
Acts 22:16 washing away your sins.
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism.
1 pet 3:21 baptism saves you.
You cannot enter on you’re own or by faith alone!
2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Baptism!
God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!
Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 eph 2
Born again! Born from above!
'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,
Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.
St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13
Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16
1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)
Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!
Christ instituted the holy church for the salvation of all men, (repent and believe the gospel, with the institution of the sacraments to convey grace to sanctify souls!
Effects of faith & baptism!
Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 2:1&5 brought to life in baptism
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!
“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!
Faith and baptism!
Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!
2 Peter 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
The Christian sacrament of baptism is the Initiation into the new covenant and must be ministered to you by the apostles!
“Faith alone”
Questions
where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?
1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?
2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”
Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?
Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?
They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???
When we first believed we are saved?
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?
1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?
If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!
Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2
mk 16:16 is not in the gospel???
no one is saved until the end!
Matt 24:13 endures to the end.
Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness
2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"
3. The race of faith: the example of Paul
4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"
5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"
6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away
7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".
8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved
9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end
10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"
11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"
12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ
13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"
14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"
15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money
16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"
17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"
18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother
19. Some will abandon the faith
20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"
22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"
23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"
24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"
25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning
26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway
27. Heb 1:14 shall be heirs of salvation
Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
(Must remain obedient)
(He who endured to the end) one who dies in a state of grace united to Jesus Christ by faith and baptism!
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 1 pet 3:21
Matt 24:13
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible if baptism is rejected!
“Faith alone”?
Charity
Deut. 6:5
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema.
Matthew 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
1 cor 13:2 all faith without charity avails nothing.
1 cor 13:12 now abide faith, hope, and charity, and the greatest of these is charity.
If salvation was by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!!!
If we are saved by faith alone then when we first believed we would be saved?
Romans 13:11
…our salvation nearer than when we believed.
1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
Matt 5 the merciful obtain mercy!
1 Peter 4:8
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!
Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!
(Redemption is not Salvation)
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
Suffering required for glorification with Christ!
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Justification and salvation are not the same rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part!
Justification:
then when we believe in him and his redemption we are justified in that faith and baptism!
Sanctification:
then we are in Christ and his church by grace faith and baptism we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, other sacraments etc.
At the hour of death separation from the grace of God by apostasy / rejection of Christ or failing to repent of serious sin a man is lost in damnation! Or
Salvation:
Is for those who are faithful and die in the grace of God united to Christ and in his saints at death enter into eternal salvation!
Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)
Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!
(Redemption is not Salvation)
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
Suffering required for glorification with Christ!
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Justification and salvation are not the same rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part!
Justification:
then when we believe in him and his redemption we are justified in that faith and baptism!
Sanctification:
then we are in Christ and his church by grace faith and baptism we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, other sacraments etc.
At the hour of death separation from the grace of God by apostasy / rejection of Christ or failing to repent of serious sin a man is lost in damnation! Or
Salvation:
Is for those who are faithful and die in the grace of God united to Christ and in his saints at death enter into eternal salvation!
Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)
There's nothing about "immersion in the Spirit" in those verses. Let me make a dark comparison from the torture called water boarding. In water boarding, water is poured over a face covered with cloth so that water is filled into the victims mouth and lungs. They would drown if unable to cough and spit the water out, yet they aren't immersed.
Making verses fit your understanding is eisogesis, not exegesis. (But we all do it, until we don't. )
At one time the practice of adult baptism was condemned and persecuted. "Anabaptists" were considered heretical, but I'm not familiar with their accepted doctrines.
That describes two baptisms and disagrees with the Nicene creed, based upon a literal understanding of scripture.
Ferris Bueller
Well-Known Member
No, it's what GOD was able to perform, not Abraham.
Abraham was so sure that God would do what he said he would do that he knew even the death of Isaac would not prevent God from doing it. And so his obedience to offer Isaac up on the altar justified him as having the righteousness that comes by faith in God. His obedience did not make him have the righteousness of God. His faith in God's promise did that all by itself. His obedience only showed that he had the righteousness that comes through faith in God.
Ferris Bueller
Well-Known Member
It would be great if everybody received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in power at water baptism, but that's just not what happens. We don't teach that anymore so there is no faith present to solicit that outpouring of the Spirit. Now the Spirit in you is just a head knowledge thing. You know it's there, and that's all.
Ferris Bueller
Well-Known Member
Pray to God for a baptism of power of the Holy Spirit. Then you'll understand what words can not convey.
ScottA
Well-Known Member
There is only "one baptism" Ephesians 4:5 (nothing to replace).
Water baptism is only practice symbolizing being crucified and raised from the dead with Christ, and a way of spreading the good news of salvation through Christ Jesus.
1) Avoiding being water baptized, Correct?
2) I have found Two Different "Spirit Baptisms = WITH & By".
Please advise Bible verses for "in & of" - I Cannot find them.
Or are "these" as you say?:
IF "word games" stop, perchance understanding begins?
Ok then, agree, so let's explore for a moment:
IF, Under God's Mystery program of Grace for us today, Paul tells us:
"...There is ONE * Baptism..." (Eph 4:5), And Also Further Clarifies
The Immediate (Spiritual) Context (vs 3-6) with the Passage:
"For By ONE Spirit are we all Baptized Into ONE Body,
whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free;
and have been all made to drink into One Spirit." (1Co 12:13
along With Rom 6:3-4; Col 2:12; Gal 3:27)
1) IF God Says there is ONLY ONE, and I add (+) water to this
God-Given Equation, wouldn't that be TWO baptismS?
(+) Violation for rule # 3 of Bible study Rules?
+
Would not "bad math" be Considered "bad works" By
The LORD Jesus Christ, At our Judgment?
2) IF God's Seven "Unities" of Eph 4:3-6 are Actually "Spiritual" As Shown,
and I change the ONE Baptism into water (in order to 'keep the math' at ONE),
how then am I "going to give an account for this sort of bad works"? ie:
a) I mutilated or destroyed God's "Seven Spiritual Unities" by
making ONE of Them physical water baptism, Correct?
b) Did I not Also negate The OPERATION Of The ONE Spirit
Of God, by such a replacement?
making ONE of Them physical water baptism, Correct?
b) Did I not Also negate The OPERATION Of The ONE Spirit
Of God, by such a replacement?
c) Not sure about others, but I wish not "to give account for these
'word/math/misinterpretations of sorts' things." ("Circling the truth"?) You?
3) IF "Rightly Dividing God's Word Of Truth" Gives me HIS Approval,'word/math/misinterpretations of sorts' things." ("Circling the truth"?) You?
then should I not "be ALL IN!"?
* And ONLY ONE of?: 13 Bible baptismS
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Okay. I re-read the text in various translations. It appears you are correct on this point. So my apologies. It appears that various translations are saying God is the One who would do what He promised to do and Abraham had to believe in that (for the righteousness of God to be imputed to him). But this was a parallel or example of how we are initially saved and it is not how faith continues (after we are first saved).
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This is where we disagree. Abraham was justified by works when he offered Isaac upon the altar.
“Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?” (Romans 4:21).
“By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in godly fear built an ark to save his family. By faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.” (Hebrews 11:7).
Same thing. We are reading here is that faith by obedience or works of faith is a part of our faith (Whereby we are justified by that type of faith). You want faith to be a belief alone always, but that's not what the Bible plainly teaches. Yes, faith starts off as a belief alone in Jesus as our Savior and or the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, but it does not remain that way (in being a belief alone).
You need to realize that Paul was fighting against Circumcision Salvationism. It was a heresy that said that you had to first be circumcised to be saved INITIALLY. See Act 15:1, Galatians 5:2, Galatians 2:3, Romans 3:1. Seeing this was the case, this is why Paul spoke negatively of the Law and works (i.e. the works of the Law of Moses). Paul was not referring to the work of faith. Boasting is excluded when it comes to the faith (Again... read Romans 3:27). Did you do it? Did you read Romans 3:27. If you have not, please do so now. I say this because if boasting is excluded in regards to the faith, then Ephesians 2:9 is not talking about works of faith but it is talking about works done outside of the faith.
I believe Ephesians 4:5 is referring to the one baptism we need to be concerned with because it is our responsibility to partake of, and to do so upon others (if God grants us such opportunities) (Which is a part of the faith). Spirit baptism is something GOD does upon all believers when we first are saved by Jesus Christ (See: 1 Corinthians 12:13).
Slow down and just read very slowly 1 Corinthians 1:17 several times in prayer.