RLT63
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Which is explained if you bother to read the link. Angels don't speak as if they are God, The Angel of The Lord does.
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John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?
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Change in subject. Jesus says he has a God who is the only true God. Why is that not good enough for you?
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Amazing how you contradiction yourself from one sentence to the other. All angles and prophets speak on behalf of God, the word angel mean messenger. Isaiah said he is the 1st and last but that does not make him God.
RLT63
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Because he also declared himself God and the Pharisees took up stones to kill him for it.
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Copy and pasting is not an argument or a discussion.
Dude! You are all over the place. This thread is about how Jesus said he has a God who is the only true God. (A consequence of that is if Jesus is not the Father, he is not God). You cannot acknowledge this. So, you feel obligated to sweep it aside and present verses you hope better support your doctrine.
RLT63
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And what are you doing? Jesus is not the Father he is God the Son. You are the one who said God only has one name and Isaiah was speaking for God not AS GOD
Wrangler
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Right. An angel is not God. Why are you supposing that if they don't always give credit to God as the source of their words, it must mean they are God, even though they are an angel?
We are not writing to you in anything resembling codes or riddles
2 Cor 1:13 (VOICE)
Wrangler
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Sticking to the topic of the thread, is what I am doing.
Again, there is not verse that identifies any God besides the Father. Doesn't it bother you that your doctrine is not explicitly stated in Scripture?
RLT63
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It is .It is throughout scripture. List of Pro-Trinity/Deity of Christ Bible Passages - Berean Patriot
RLT63
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Because The Angel of The Lord in the Old Testament speaks as if he is God himself. He is not delivering a message on his behalf. Why did Moses have to remove his shoes? What did The Angel of The Lord say? Are you proposing that we should worship angels?
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No. It is not in Scripture once. The fact that you have to again refer to a link tells the story of the support lacking.
To avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever. If there were such a verse, it would be the most quoted verse in Scripture by those who claim one’s salvation depends on believing it. The concept of the trinity is so important that in 66 books, it is not mentioned once!
Wrangler
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So? He's still an angel, a messenger of God, speaking on God's behalf - no matter how he says it. And this has nothing to do with - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God.
Wrangler
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No. Jesus never declared himself God. As far as the people wanting to stone him, it goes back to Who is the authority; 'people' or Scripture?
RLT63
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It was brought up in the issue of worship. The Angel of The Lord in the Old Testament is not speaking on God's behalf he speaks AS GOD. Again do you worship Jesus?
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