Difference between Catholic and Protestant.

[Ronald David Bruno]

Why can't we bury the hatchet and agree that "this rock" refers to both Peter and Jesus??? Why be a slave to conflict???

Look up that verse in the Greek Interlinear Bible. Peter is Petros, a small rock. The word used for rock is Petra, referring to a mountain. All the disciples were in agreement of Peter's revelation that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. So they were all little stones as we all are little spiritual stones.

[And “No man,” Paul says-not even an apostle-“can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ” (1 Cor. 3:11). The Lord builds the church on the truth of Himself.
Peter never claimed a superior title, rank, or privilege over the other apostles. He even referred to himself as a “fellow elder” (1 Pet. 5:1) and as “a bond-servant” of Christ (2 Pet. 1:1). Far from claiming honor and homage for himself, he soberly warns his fellow elders to guard against lording it over those under their pastoral care (1 Pet. 5:3). The only glory he claimed for himself was that which is shared by all believers and which is yet “to be revealed, … when the Chief Shepherd appears”] John MacArthur

Peter, the fisherman from Galilee, was set free above all from his sense of inadequacy and his bitter experience of failure, thanks to the unconditional love of Jesus. Although a skilled fisher, many times, in the heart of the night, he tasted the bitterness of frustration at having caught nothing (cf. Lk 5:5; Jn 21:5) and, seeing his empty nets, was tempted to pull up his oars. Though strong and impetuous, Peter often yielded to fear (cf. Mt 14:30). Albeit a fervent disciple of the Lord, he continued to think by worldly standards, and thus failed to understand and accept the meaning of Christ’s cross (cf. Mt 16:22). Even after saying that he was ready to give his life for Jesus, the mere suspicion that he was one of Christ’s disciples led him in fright to deny the Master (cf. Mk 14:66-72).

Jesus nonetheless loved Peter and was willing to take a risk on him. He encouraged Peter not to give up, to lower his nets once more, to walk on water, to find the strength to accept his own frailty, to follow him on the way of the cross, to give his life for his brothers and sisters, to shepherd his flock. In this way, Jesus set Peter free from fear, from calculations based solely on worldly concerns. He gave him the courage to risk everything and the joy of becoming a fisher of men. It was Peter whom Jesus called to strengthen his brothers in faith (cf. Lk 22:32). He gave him – as we heard in the Gospel – the keys to open the doors leading to an encounter with the Lord and the power to bind and loose: to bind his brothers and sisters to Christ and to loosen the knots and chains in their lives (cf. Mt 16:19).

Nice, a lovely sentimental homage to Peter.

Can you at least acknowledge that St. Francis of Assisi was a Christian, or are you going to fight and argue about that too???

Absolutely he was a Christian and used by God. I just offered information that most people aren't aware of, His real birth name. The name Francis, was a change made by his father in spite of the Christian name given by his mother. He wasn't there, was too late, probably showed up weeks or months after the fact. So his father evidently was not a believer. That's all, just historical trivia.

 

[Taken]

Hello Taken,

Im curious. Just what feasts given to the Hebrews do you think we keep?





For from the rising of the sun, even to its setting, my name is great among the nations; And everywhere they bring sacrifice to my name, and a pure offering; For great is my name among the nations, says the LORD of hosts.

Pax et Bonum

Thanks Philip. I deleted my post. Too convoluted and in-depth for a forum, between feasts, celebrations, traditions, holy days, language and religions.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Phoneman777]

WRONG.

The Sabbath ISN’T simply a “memorial” as I showed you from Scripture in post #99.
It is a TYPE that points to Jesus and the Eucharist. This is precisely what Paul is talking about in Col. 2:16-17 about hos Christ FULFILLED all of the shadows.

YOU guys are still stuck in the shadows instead of the REALIT, which is Christ.
Boy – Ellen White REALLY did a number on you guys . . .

Here's why it's you who's wrong:

The weekly Sabbath was created at the end of the six days of Creation before sin entered the world when there were no spiritual shadows.....all was light. There were no Passovers, no Unleavened Breads, no meat offerings, drink offerings, no new moons, or holy days, nothing.

Let's stop denying the Catholic church claims to have changed the Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st day, OK? Read www.rome'schallenge.com where they make as good of arguments as we do for why the change isn't Biblical.

 

[Illuminator]

For me, Catholicism faceplants because of 4 things-
1- They pray to Jesus's mum and to dead "saints" even though Jesus said- "This is how you should pray- 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name'", so catholic prayers are like blank cartridges.
2- The catholic hierarchy ban women outright from being priests, perhaps they don't like girls..;)
3- They have a "confessional box" where any sinner can confess his crimes to a priest and be "forgiven".
4- They believe in 'purgatory' and think that if they find themselves in hell they'll be let out after serving their time, as if hell is fitted with a swing door..:)

Ukraine is a predominately Catholic country. Next to Poland, it is the second most devout country in the world. Putin and his hordes fire missiles seeking to destroy it. You fire missiles of words seeking to destroy our faith. One would think that after 500 years of firing missiles, God would come to your assistance and convert the whole world to your individualistic flavor of Protestantism.

Did you know the prophecies at Fatima have proven to be 100% accurate and has a lot to do with a threat of WWIII we all face today? The war in Ukraine is at the heart of the matter. Is it fear that keeps you from investigating one of the most dynamic series of miracles in 1917 the world has ever seen??? Eye witnessed by 70,000 people? Don't you want to grow in knowledge? Please, don't insult us with "Mary worship". It's stupid.
Be sensible, and get on the right side of the battlefield.
A Ukrainian military patches:

Patria et honor is Latin for "Country and Honor"
The angel represents St. Michael the Archangel. Rev. 12:7

a symbol of the descending Holy Spirit???

If Putin and his diabolical horde flattens every city and town in Ukraine, he will never succeed, and neither will your missiles of misrepresentation succeed either. It's an apt analogy.

Even if the Vatican was vaporized by a nuke, we rest on God's promises that He would never leave us and protect His Church from teaching error. That's what the Bible says and you shouldn't ignore it. Your arsenal of missiles will never prevail, similar to the war in Ukraine.

 

[Illuminator]

The twentieth century was one of the most crucial in human history, with its tragic and cruel events culminating in the assassination attempt on the sweet Christ on earth‌. Now a veil is drawn back on a series of events which make history and interpret it in depth, in a spiritual perspective alien to present-day attitudes, often tainted with rationalism.

Throughout history there have been supernatural apparitions and signs which go to the heart of human events and which, to the surprise of believers and non-believers alike, play their part in the unfolding of history. These manifestations can never contradict the content of faith, and must therefore have their focus in the core of Christ's proclamation: the Father's love which leads men and women to conversion and bestows the grace required to abandon oneself to him with filial devotion. This too is the message of Fatima which, with its urgent call to conversion and penance, draws us to the heart of the Gospel.
official version of the Message of Fatima

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The point is the bible alone is NOT sufficient.

If we are not partaking of the ONE loaf, and the ONE cup Jesus gave to the apostles, where are we?

Pax et Bonum!

Why don't ask you Jesus when you get to heaven where that criminal is who was crucified next to Jesus? He did not participate in communion. You will get to meet him and maybe have communion together.

 

[Illuminator]

Here's why it's you who's wrong:

The weekly Sabbath was created at the end of the six days of Creation before sin entered the world when there were no spiritual shadows.....all was light. There were no Passovers, no Unleavened Breads, no meat offerings, drink offerings, no new moons, or holy days.

Let's stop denying the Catholic church by it's own delusional authority claims to have changed the Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st day, OK? Read www.rome'schallenge.com where they make as good of arguments for why the change isn't Biblical as we do.

I propose we set up a GoFundMe to finance a nice vacation for you in Crimea. You can volunteer to repair the Ruzzian phone lines that we blew up.
Bring lots of SDA literature. You might get a medal from Putin, for demonizing the faith of the Ukrainians.

 

[Taken]

Look up that verse in the Greek Interlinear Bible. Peter is Petros, a small rock. The word used for rock is Petra, referring to a mountain. All the disciples were in agreement of Peter's revelation that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. So they were all little stones as we all are little spiritual stones.
And “No man,” Paul says-not even an apostle-“can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ” (1 Cor. 3:11). The Lord builds the church on the truth of Himself.

[Peter never claimed a superior title, rank, or privilege over the other apostles. He even referred to himself as a “fellow elder” (1 Pet. 5:1) and as “a bond-servant” of Christ (2 Pet. 1:1). Far from claiming honor and homage for himself, he soberly warns his fellow elders to guard against lording it over those under their pastoral care (1 Pet. 5:3). The only glory he claimed for himself was that which is shared by all believers and which is yet “to be revealed, … when the Chief Shepherd appears”] J. MacArtur

Agree.

The Rock Foundation upon which Jesus is building His Church...
IS: Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God.

The Rock - The Lord of Christ’s Church
The Rock - The Chief of Christ’s Church
The Rock - The Foundation of Christ’s Church
The Rock - The Head of Christ’s Church
The Stones - Added upon the Rock by one
The Order - First the Apostles appointed by Jesus, Peter through Paul.
The Way - Heartful Vowed Allegiance to the Lord God Almighty.
The Order - Thereafter the Apostles, Every added individual.
The Way - Individuals Heartful Vowed Allegiance to the Lord God.


IMO -
Jesus asked His chosen Disciples, (with intent to appoint them Servant Apostles), the Big Question: Of Jesus was:
WHO “they” believed Jesus is.
*) None of the Disciples knew the answer.
*) God Himself gave Peter the answer.
*) Peter answered Jesus, With the answer God gave him.
*) Immediately Jesus confirmed the answer was TRUE, and a blessing unto Peter for having received the Answer from God.
*) Immediately Thereafter all the chosen Disciples (at that time, excluding Paul), Also heard Peter’s answer, Jesus’ Affirmation of the answer, thus they knew and agreed with the Answer.
*) The blessing given Peter, Jesus revealed, is a blessing unto every individual WHO themselves, Hears, Believes, Confesses their Belief;
Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God.

*) Thereafter the Disciples were foretold what they would Receive and then became Prepared; Receiving IN them, the Holy Spirit of God.
*) PREPARED:
~ THEY: Hearing, Believing, Confessing Belief, Secured with Gods Spirit IN them, Forever WITH them...
*) PREPARED;
~ THEY: Able to Serve The Lord according to the WAY of the Lord, for which they were chosen and called and agreed, and historically revealed, they did.

Historical Churches, were simply called “The Church”...and location identified by the “town, city”.

IMO-
Jesus’ (whatever modern term...Mission Statement, Vision Statement, a Churches Intent)
Jesus Was quite clear...Membership IN Christ Jesus’ Church expressly Hinges on an individual’s TRUE Heartful Belief & Vowed Confession:

THAT: Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God.
THAT: physically dead bodily men know nothing.
THAT; True Heartful Belief & Vowed Confession MUST occur BEFORE a bodily death.
THAT: True Belief...is a man DOING the Work of God.
THAT; True Heartful Confession of Belief...is a man DOING a Service unto God.
THAT: WHEN, a man DOES the Work of God and DOES the Service unto God......
THAT: On they day THAT individual’s BODY DIES...by, through, of the Promise of God....THAT MAN SHALL BE SAVED. Period!

IMO - Every man-made CHURCH of Christ’s Church...
(Mission statement, vision statement, intent, whatever they want to call it)... should concisely be the paramount highlighted and revealed knowledge God gave Peter, and Jesus confirmed:
THAT: Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God.

Oddly, I don’t see THAT as a concise highlighted intent of most modern day Churches.

 

[Brakelite]

I propose we set up a GoFundMe to finance a nice vacation for you in Crimea. You can volunteer to repair the Ruzzian phone lines that we blew up.
Bring lots of SDA literature. You might get a medal from Putin, for demonizing the faith of the Ukrainians.

Huh?

 

[Taken]

The point is the bible alone is NOT sufficient.

If we are not partaking of the ONE loaf, and the ONE cup Jesus gave to the apostles, where are we?

Pax et Bonum!

Perhaps the conflict is over ...

Bible Alone “NOT Sufficient” ...

Sufficient FOR WHAT?

Personally, I believe the Bible Alone:

* IS sufficient to Know Who the Whole of God IS;
* IS sufficient to Know what God requires for God to Forever Be WITH an individual man.
* IS sufficient to Know what God requires for an individual man to Forever Be WITH God.
* IS sufficient to Verify what men HEAR preached ABOUT the Lord God Almighty, is or is not True.
* IS sufficient to Know Gods past acts, present promises, future intents.
* IS sufficient to Know Gods Precepts for favorable behaviors Between and Among men.
* IS sufficient to Know Who, When, Why, an Individual Shall or Shall not be WITH the Lord God Almighty, Forever.

Can you elaborate from your perspective of “inefficiency of the Bible Alone” ? “Not efficient for what” ?

Thanks.
Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Brakelite]

Perhaps the conflict is over ...



Sufficient FOR WHAT?

Personally, I believe the Bible Alone:

* IS sufficient to Know Who the Whole of God IS;
* IS sufficient to Know what God requires for God to Forever Be WITH an individual man.
* IS sufficient to Know what God requires for an individual man to Forever Be WITH God.
* IS sufficient to Verify what men HEAR preached ABOUT the Lord God Almighty, is or is not True.
* IS sufficient to Know Gods past acts, present promises, future intents.
* IS sufficient to Know Gods Precepts for favorable behaviors Between and Among men.
* IS sufficient to Know Who, When, Why, an Individual Shall or Shall not be WITH the Lord God Almighty, Forever.

Can you elaborate from your perspective of “inefficiency of the Bible Alone” ? “Not efficient for what” ?

Thanks.
Glory to God,
Taken

Might I add that the Bible is sufficient for any man to understand the true nature and character of the Father and His Son, which character catholicism has terribly wrong. That the Catholic Church for so long refused a knowledge of scripture to the common people, reserving to itself the sole authority to interpret and teach it, is hardly a surprise. Allowing the people to read the scriptures for themselves would spell devastation for Catholic teaching... As the protestant reformation proved.

 

[Illuminator]

Why don't ask you Jesus when you get to heaven where that criminal is who was crucified next to Jesus? He did not participate in communion. You will get to meet him and maybe have communion together.

I look forward to it too. We get to watch Jesus present Himself to the Father on our behalf in the form of Bread and Wine.

 

[Phoneman777]

Are you REALLY so dense that you completely glossed over the fact that I said EXACTLY the SAME thing?

From MY post:
“… but He built it by His sacrifice on the cross and His glorious Resurrection – BOTH of which were crucial in the establishment of His Church”

Read closely next time BEFORE you respond . . .

I noticed you didn't say the Cross is crucial to our salvation, but to the establishment of the catholic church. Do you believe we're saved by the blood of Jesus ALONE without dependence on anything else but that we "believe on Him Whom He hath sent"?

I read where a Catholic priest spoke about how he loved so the Reformation hymns, especially "How Great Thou Art" but when he got to a certain verse, he says he stops sinning until it's done:

"And when I think of God, His Son not sparing,
Sent Him to die, I scarce can take it in..."

The priest said, "I scarce can take it in either". He said the blood of Christ has nothing to do with our salvation, but is delegated from God directly to the priesthood. Of course, "Dignities and Duties of the Priest" plainly says the priest is to be approached as "another Christ" in order to have forgiveness imparted to him.

Can you point to an official, Imprimatur stamped catholic document saying Jesus' blood ALONE is all we need to secure God's grace of salvation by our faith in that alone?

 

[Brakelite]

I look forward to it too. We get to watch Jesus present Himself to the Father on our behalf in the form of Bread and Wine.

What????

 

[Brakelite]

I noticed you didn't say the Cross is crucial to our salvation, but to the establishment of the catholic church. Do you believe we're saved by the blood of Jesus ALONE without dependence on anything else but that we "believe on Him Whom He hath sent"?

I read where a Catholic priest spoke about how he loved so the Reformation hymns, especially "How Great Thou Art" but when he got to a certain verse, he says he stops sinning until it's done:

"And when I think of God, His Son not sparing,
Sent Him to die, I scarce can take it in..."

The priest said, "I scarce can take it in either". He said the blood of Christ has nothing to do with our salvation, but is delegated from God directly to the priesthood. Of course, "Dignities and Duties of the Priest" plainly says the priest is to be approached as "another Christ" in order to have forgiveness imparted to him.

Can you point to an official, Imprimatur stamped catholic document saying Jesus' blood ALONE is all we need to secure God's grace of salvation by our faith in that alone?

I remember as if yesterday, telling the local priest that I had just received Jesus into my life and been saved. That was 45 years ago. He looked like he'd swallowed a sour grapefruit, didn't know what to say and turned away without a word. I wonder if any Catholic truly understands what it means to be born again, seeing their reliance is so heavily in favor of their infant baptism and Church membership.

 

[Cassandra]

I look forward to it too. We get to watch Jesus present Himself to the Father on our behalf in the form of Bread and Wine.

He has already done that--presented Himself to the Father. He had to because it was necessary to see if the sacrifice He made was acceptable--it was. He doesn't have to do it again.

Rev 5:6-9
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.


7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.


8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.


9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

 

[Phoneman777]

I remember as if yesterday, telling the local priest that I had just received Jesus into my life and been saved. That was 45 years ago. He looked like he'd swallowed a sour grapefruit, didn't know what to say and turned away without a word. I wonder if any Catholic truly understands what it means to be born again, seeing their reliance is so heavily in favor of their infant baptism and Church membership.

I imagine telling a Catholic priest you only need Jesus for salvation will get you the same facial expression as when you tell a Best Buy salesman no thanks, I can get that same laptop on Amazon waaaaay cheaper.

 

[Illuminator]

Why don't ask you Jesus when you get to heaven where that criminal is who was crucified next to Jesus? He did not participate in communion. You will get to meet him and maybe have communion together.

I look forward to it too. We get to watch Jesus present Himself to the Father on our behalf in the form of Bread and Wine.

 

[Illuminator]

He has already done that--presented Himself to the Father. He had to because it was necessary to see if the sacrifice He made was acceptable--it was. He doesn't have to do it again.

If the events that occur in heaven is confined to time, they are not eternal events. The same goes for the rest of your citations.
Rev. 1 to 22 – Jesus is described as the “Lamb” 28 times in the book of Revelation. This is because Jesus emphasizes His sacrifice in heaven and in His Holy Catholic Church.

Rev. 1:13 – Jesus is clothed in heaven with a long robe and golden girdle like the Old Testament priests who offered animal sacrifices. See Exodus 28:4.

Rev. 2:17 – the spiritual manna, our Lord’s glorious body and blood, is emphasized in the heavenly feast.

Rev. 3:20 – as Priest and Paschal Lamb, our Lord shares the Eucharistic meal with us to seal His New Covenant. Through the covenant of his body and blood, we are restored to the Father and become partakers of the divine nature.

Rev. 5:6 – this verse tells us that Jesus in His glory still looks like a lamb who was slain. Also, Jesus is “standing” as though a Lamb who was slain. Lambs that are slain lie down. This odd depiction shows Jesus stands at the Altar as our eternal priest in forever offering Himself to the Father for our salvation.

Rev. 7:14 – the blood of the Lamb is eternally offered in heaven with the washing of the robes to make them white.

Rev. 14:1, Heb. 12:22 – Zion is the city where Jesus established the Eucharist and which was miraculously preserved after the destruction of Jerusalem. See also Psalms 2:6 and 132:13. It represents the union of heaven and earth, of divinity and humanity. This is why those who enter into the Eucharistic celebration on earth enter into the presence of innumerable angels, the souls of the just made perfect, Jesus the Mediator of the Covenant and His sprinkled blood, and God the Judge of all.

Rev. 19:13 – in all His glory, Jesus’ sacrifice is eternally present as He presents Himself to the Father clothed in a robe dipped in blood. Jesus’ sacrifice is the focus in heaven and in the Mass. When the Father beholds His Son, He beholds His sacrifice for humanity.

Rev. 19:9 – we are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb where we become one with Him by consuming His body and blood. This is the nuptial union of divinity and humanity.

Heb. 2:17; 3:1; 4:14; 8:1; 9:11,25; 10:19,22 – Jesus is repeatedly described as “High Priest.” But in order to be a priest, “it is necessary for [Jesus] to have something to offer.” Heb. 8:3. This is the offering of the eternal sacrifice of His body and blood to the Father.

Heb. 2:18 – although His suffering is past tense, His expiation of our sins is present tense because His offering is continual. Therefore, He is able (present tense) to help those who are tempted.

Heb. 5:6,10; 6:20; 7:15,17 – these verses show that Jesus restores the father-son priesthood after Melchizedek. Jesus is the new priest and King of Jerusalem and feeds the new children of Abraham with His body and blood. This means that His eternal sacrifice is offered in the same manner as the bread and wine offered by Melchizedek in Gen. 14:18. But the bread and wine that Jesus offers is different, just as the Passover Lamb of the New Covenant is different. The bread and wine become His body and blood by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit.

Heb. 4:3 – God’s works were finished from the foundation of the world. This means that God’s works, including Christ’s sacrifice (the single act that secured the redemption of our souls and bodies), are forever present in eternity. Jesus’ suffering is over and done with (because suffering was earthly and temporal), but His sacrifice is eternal, because His priesthood is eternal (His victimized state was only temporal).

Heb. 4:14 – Jesus the Sacrifice passes through the heavens by the glory cloud of God, just like the sacrifices of Solomon were taken up into heaven by the glory cloud of God in 2 Chron. 7:1. See also Mark 16:19; Luke 24:51; and Acts 1:10.

Heb. 7:24 – Jesus holds His priesthood is forever because He continues forever, so His sacrificial offering is forever. He continues to offer His body and blood to us because He is forever our High Priest.

Heb. 8:2 – Jesus is a minister in the sanctuary offering up (present tense) His eternal sacrifice to the Father which is perfected in heaven. This is the same sanctuary that we enter with confidence by the blood of Jesus as written in Heb. 10:19. See also Heb. 12:22-24.

Heb. 8:3 – as High Priest, it is necessary for Jesus to have something to offer. What is Jesus offering in heaven? As eternal Priest, He offers the eternal sacrifice of His body and blood.

Heb. 8:6; 9:15; cf. Heb. 12:22-24; 13:20-21 – the covenant Jesus mediates (present tense) is better than the Old covenant. The covenant He mediates is the covenant of His body and blood which He offers in the Eucharist. See Matt. 26:26-28; Mark. 14:22,24; Luke 22;19-20; 1 Cor. 11:24-25 – which is the only time Jesus uses the word “covenant” (which is the offering of His body and blood).

Heb. 9:12 – Jesus enters into heaven, the Holy Place, taking His own blood. How can this be? He wasn’t bleeding after the resurrection. This is because He enters into the heavenly sanctuary to mediate the covenant of His body and blood by eternally offering it to the Father. This offering is made present to us in the same manner as Melchizedek’s offering, under the appearance of bread and wine.

Heb. 9:14 – the blood of Christ offered in heaven purifies (present tense) our consciences from dead works to serve the living God. Christ’s offering is ongoing.

Heb. 9:22 – blood is indeed required for the remission of sin. Jesus’ blood was shed once, but it is continually offered to the Father. This is why Jesus takes His blood, which was shed once and for all, into heaven. Heb. 9:12.

Heb. 9:23 – Jesus’ sacrifice, which is presented eternally to the Father in heaven, is described as “sacrifices” (in the plural) in the context of its re-presentation on earth (the author first writes about the earthly sacrifices of animals, and then the earthly offerings of Jesus Christ’s eternal sacrifice).

Heb. 9:26 – Jesus’ once and for all appearance into heaven to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself shows that Jesus’ presence in heaven and His sacrifice are inseparable. This also shows that “once for all,” which refers to Jesus’ appearance in heaven, means perpetual (it does not, and cannot mean, “over and done with” because Jesus is in heaven for eternity). “Once for all” also refers to Jesus’ suffering and death (Heb. 7:27; 9:12,26;10:10-14). But “once for all” never refers to Jesus’ sacrifice, which is eternally presented to the Father. This sacrifice is the Mal. 1:11 pure offering made present in every place from the rising of the sun to its setting in the Eucharist offered in the same manner as the Melchizedek offering.

Heb. 10:19 – we have confidence to enter the sanctuary by the blood of Jesus on earth in the Eucharistic liturgy, which is the heavenly sanctuary where Jesus’ offering is presented to God in Heb. 8:2.

Heb. 10:22 – our hearts and bodies are (not were) washed clean by the action of Jesus’ perpetual priesthood in heaven.

Heb. 13:10 – the author writes that we have an altar from which those who serve the tent have no right to eat. This altar is the heavenly altar at which Jesus presides as Priest before the Father, eternally offering His body and blood on our behalf. See. Mal. 1:7,12; Lev. 24:7; Ez. 41:22; 44:16; Rev. 5:6; 6:9; 9:13; 11:1; 16:7.

Heb. 13:20-21 – Jesus died once, but His blood of the eternal covenant is eternally offered to equip us (present tense) with everything good that we may do God’s will.

Heb. 13:8 – this is because Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. While His suffering was temporal (because bodily pain is temporal), Jesus and His sacrifice are eternal (because redemption, salvation, and the mediation of the New covenant are eternal).

Heb. 13:15 – the letter concludes with an instruction to continually offer up, through Christ, a sacrifice of praise to God. The phrase “sacrifice of praise” refers to the “toda” animal sacrifices that had to be consumed. See, for example, Lev. 7:12-15; 22:29-30.

1 Pet. 2:9; Rev. 20:6 – we are a royal priesthood in Jesus, and offer His sacrifice to the Father on earth as He does in heaven.

1 John 1:7 – the blood of Jesus cleanses us (present tense) from all sin. His blood cannot currently cleanse us unless it is currently offered for us.

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[Taken]

Might I add that the Bible is sufficient for any man to understand the true nature and character of the Father and His Son, which character catholicism has terribly wrong. That the Catholic Church for so long refused a knowledge of scripture to the common people, reserving to itself the sole authority to interpret and teach it, is hardly a surprise. Allowing the people to read the scriptures for themselves would spell devastation for Catholic teaching... As the protestant reformation proved.

I believe the Scriptures ARE Knowledge.
I believe the UNDERSTANDING of the Knowledge is a Gift..FROM God.

More often than not, the disagreeing, the debating, hinges on the UNDERSTANDING of Scriptural Knowledge.

It is a long well known perspective of men;
To philosophize, carnally think, individually conclude, individually reveal their conclusions, AND “other” individual men MAY or MAY Not adopt an other’s Philosophy, that “makes sense to their own carnal mind”.

Ancient Philosophers, Historical Catholic Gentiles, more modernly Protestant evangelizers, more modernly individual “commentators”...
* All in some way, shape, or form...Highlight with vigor to Passing off in general... their perspective of “THE Understanding of Scriptural Knowledge”. And every individual, is free to “simply” adopt an other’s perspective...or not.

Scripture itself, teaches, Understanding of Gods Scriptural Word;
is NOT per an individuals Carnal Understanding.....But rather A Blessing given individuals, Given the individual ... From God.

** The Whole picture changes.....
From...a mans “Carnal Understanding”
To
Gods...”Spiritual Understanding”.

Modern men ARE Secularly encouraged to rely heavily ON Philosophical
Understanding of men...and IN TURN encourage others to do the same.

* Philosophical Concepts is a Highlighted course for nearly all Colleges.
* Philosophical Concepts are Highlighted for nearly all College grads, to IN TURN “use” to Teach school children.

My issue with “particularly” Catholics: (and some Protestants as well);
Is Scriptural man-devised philosophical companion BOOKS, that “TEACH” the “supposed” Understanding of Scripture, according to men...
WHEN...Scripture itself, reveals the Understanding of Scripture is given men FROM ... the Lord God.

Ex 31:
[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] See, I have called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah:
[3] And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

1 Cor. 1:
[12] Only the LORD give thee wisdom and understanding, and give thee charge concerning Israel, that thou mayest keep the law of the LORD thy God.

Job 39:
[17] Because God hath deprived her of wisdom, neither hath he imparted to her understanding.

Luke 24:
[45] Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures...

Remember the Lost Jews/ that Jesus came to Preach what they had lost sight of?
Remember Paul...a Jewish Pharisees and Roman citizen, sent to preach to the Gentiles...what they never had sight of?

The reminded in-sight...
...Only the LORD give thee wisdom and understanding...
...The highlight...Gods Understanding...IS His imparting His SPIRITUAL Understanding.

Col 1:
[9] For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

Glory to God,
Taken