What Are we Getting Saved From?

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@keithr c

Since the 12 apostles form the foundation of his Kingdom what do you see as their role in heaven?
Who are “the 12 tribes of Israel” whom they are assigned to judge? Where are they?

The reconstitution of Israel as a Nation in the Kingdom Age as per Ezekiel 21:26-27 & Luke 1:32-33

So obvious it hurts to see you straining with the text.

The King isn't on his throne!

All of it is on Earth! Matthew 5:5

 

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@keithr
And just FYI, quoting something from C.T. Russell at the early part of the last century is somewhat laughable since we rely on progressive understanding of the scriptures, just as the first Christians did.
We have come a long way in our understanding in the last 100 years.
When we discover new understanding of an existing belief, we will not hold on to the error but will clarify it and then the whole brotherhood is informed of the new understanding. That is what “progressive” means...God tells his worshippers, (especially when the end is so close) what they need to know, when they need to know it. As part of his prophesy on the time of his return, Jesus said he would appoint a “faithful and wise servant” to do just that. (Matthew 24:45) Who is this “servant” in your understanding? What “food” are they dispensing?

You should heed his work as it was exemplary on the restoration of Israel under Christ and the Saints.

“And he [God] shall send Jesus Christ… whom the heavens must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began” (Acts of the Apostles 3:20-21)

Acts of the Apostles 1:3 Returning as he left! Acts of the Apostles 1:11 ...yes to Earth to sit on Davids Throne!

They all knew! Acts of the Apostles 1:6

Should we be surprised that they then asked the question: “Lord wilt thou at this time restore again the Kingdom to Israel?”?

No not at all because they knew the prophetical word better than @Aunty Jane

 

[quietthinker]

The reconstitution of Israel as a Nation in the Kingdom Age as per Ezekiel 21:26-27 & Luke 1:32-33

So obvious it hurts to see you straining with the text.

The King isn't on his throne!

All of it is on Earth! Matthew 5:5

insisting our own ideas of what's going on is water tight ensures our ears don't hear.......and what can God do?.....he looks at us with pity as we dig our holes of ignorance.
When we don't ask, we don't get. When we insist on telling we will not hear when we are told.

 

[Jack]

Hell will be FILLED with people who don't believe in Hell!

 

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Hell will be FILLED with people who don't believe in Hell!

 

[Jack]

Amen! Belief in Hell is not required for residency therein.

 

[face2face]

Amen! Belief in Hell is not required for residency therein.

Many hells!

 

[Jack]

You believe in many hells? Scripture please. Where are "many hells" in the Bible? Where are you getting this?

 

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You believe in many hells? Scripture please. Where are "many hells" in the Bible? Where are you getting this?

The Grave
Though they dig unto (sheol) hell. Amos 9:2.

This is what they use to get there

 

[Jack]

The Grave
Though they dig unto (sheol) hell. Amos 9:2.
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This is what they use to get there

No Christian would think Hell is funny.

 

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No Christian would think Hell is funny.

You get it right?

 

[Jack]

You get it right?

Yes I do. Jesus warned us of the "everlasting fire".

 

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Yes I do. Jesus warned us of the "everlasting fire".

Clearly you don't! He gave his wise servant imagery to show the severity of remaining in the grave...but that's it...hence many graves! You dig a hole to enter sheol.

 

[quietthinker]

Hell will be FILLED with people who don't believe in Hell!

could it also be that Heaven will be filled with people who don't believe in Heaven?
Now before you jump to a conclusion, put your thinking cap on!

 

[quietthinker]

Yes I do. Jesus warned us of the "everlasting fire".

Questions are in need of being asked. Without them being asked assumptions will surely rule!

 

[bbyrd009]

there is only One Immortal, right

You should heed his work as it was exemplary on the restoration of Israel under Christ and the Saints.

“And he [God] shall send Jesus Christ… whom the heavens must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began” (Acts of the Apostles 3:20-21)

Acts of the Apostles 1:3 Returning as he left! Acts of the Apostles 1:11 ...yes to Earth to sit on Davids Throne!

They all knew! Acts of the Apostles 1:6

Should we be surprised that they then asked the question: “Lord wilt thou at this time restore again the Kingdom to Israel?”?

No not at all because they knew the prophetical word better than @Aunty Jane

the kingdom does not come by observation

 

[bbyrd009]

Hell will be FILLED with people who don't believe in Hell!

all go to the same place
you and your sons will be here with me
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No Christian would think Hell is funny.

bc they are mostly all in the cult of sol invictus i think, my friend

 

[Aunty Jane]

Hell will be FILLED with people who don't believe in Hell!

Not true. You have not been taught the truth about “Hell”.

Jesus warned us of the "everlasting fire

If you would bother to do some research into the meaning of the word “hell” you would see it is translated from two words in the Bible originally written in Hebrew and Greek.
The Hebrew is “sheol” and the Greek equivalent is “hades”. There is also another Greek word that is erroneously translated as “hell” and that is “gehenna”. But gehenna is not hades.

“Gehenna” was Jerusalem’s garbage dump where fires were kept burning day and night and where the carcasses of dead animals and some executed criminals were cast for disposal. This is what Jesus used to illustrate what happens to those who deliberately oppose God and his means of salvation. The fires of gehenna were never extinguished. What the fire missed, the maggots finished off.
Being thrown into gehenna meant no memorial tomb and hence no resurrection. Jews had no belief in life after death. That was a Greek idea that infiltrated both Judaism and Christianity after the first century. There never was such a place.

There is no “burning hell” for the souls of humans to be tormented in flames. Nothing alive was ever cast into gehenna. It was the place to dispose of garbage.

No Christian would think Hell is funny.

What’s “funny” is that people swallow this satanic lie. There is no teaching of an immortal soul that leaves the body in conscious form to go somewhere else, anywhere in the Bible. A “soul” is a living, breathing creature, both humans and animals are called “souls”. The word never refers to a disembodied spirit. Adam “became” a soul when God started him breathing. Souls are breathers.

God told Adam that if he disobeyed, he would go back to where he came from...the “dust” of the earth. There was no “heaven or hell” ever mentioned to him. Death was simply the opposite of life.
The only way to regain life was by resurrection. That is not talking about continuing to live, but life being restored, here on earth for the majority. A small number will be going to heaven to rule with Christ in his kingdom, (Revelation 20:6) but they will be ruling over earthly subjects in fulfilment of Revelation 21:1-4. The “kings and priests” need humans to rule and to act as priests.

To blindly believe in this awful place is to paint God as a cruel fiend. It is completely opposite to his loving personality.

In Jeremiah 7:31, it speaks of the Israelites burning their children in the fire as a sacrifice to Molech, and yet what did God say about that?
“They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.’”

If it never came into God’s heart to burn children in a fire....why would he do that to his own children?
Please do some proper research.

 

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Not true. You have not been taught the truth about “Hell”.


If you would bother to do some research into the meaning of the word “hell” you would see it is translated from two words in the Bible originally written in Hebrew and Greek.
The Hebrew is “sheol” and the Greek equivalent is “hades”. There is also another Greek word that is erroneously translated as “hell” and that is “gehenna”. But gehenna is not hades.

“Gehenna” was Jerusalem’s garbage dump where fires were kept burning day and night and where the carcasses of dead animals and some executed criminals were cast for disposal. This is what Jesus used to illustrate what happens to those who deliberately oppose God and his means of salvation. The fires of gehenna were never extinguished. What the fire missed, the maggots finished off.
Being thrown into gehenna meant no memorial tomb and hence no resurrection. Jews had no belief in life after death. That was a Greek idea that infiltrated both Judaism and Christianity after the first century. There never was such a place.

There is no “burning hell” for the souls of humans to be tormented in flames. Nothing alive was ever cast into gehenna. It was the place to dispose of garbage.


What’s “funny” is that people swallow this satanic lie. There is no teaching of an immortal soul that leaves the body in conscious form to go somewhere else, anywhere in the Bible. A “soul” is a living, breathing creature, both humans and animals are called “souls”. The word never refers to a disembodied spirit. Adam “became” a soul when God started him breathing. Souls are breathers.

God told Adam that if he disobeyed, he would go back to where he came from...the “dust” of the earth. There was no “heaven or hell” ever mentioned to him. Death was simply the opposite of life.
The only way to regain life was by resurrection. That is not talking about continuing to live, but life being restored, here on earth for the majority. A small number will be going to heaven to rule with Christ in his kingdom, (Revelation 20:6) but they will be ruling over earthly subjects in fulfilment of Revelation 21:1-4. The “kings and priests” need humans to rule and to act as priests.

To blindly believe in this awful place is to paint God as a cruel fiend. It is completely opposite to his loving personality.

In Jeremiah 7:31, it speaks of the Israelites burning their children in the fire as a sacrifice to Molech, and yet what did God say about that?
“They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.’”

If it never came into God’s heart to burn children in a fire....why would he do that to his own children?
Please do some proper research.

Here we find agreement.

 

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there is only One Immortal, right

the kingdom does not come by observation

John 1:41