If a man is elected president of the United States then it can effect every nation thru many ways, economically, war, etc. And the actions of the FBI may effect the president or politicians etc. In my opinion it affects everyone. And yes I have the right to vote in the United States.
FBI Wray has a lot of explaining to do!
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Mantis
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I wouldn't believe them if they did find something "incriminating". Like I said it has been a witch hunt from day one. He is not even present anymore but they are so terrified of him being re-elected they are pulling this stuff.
Jim B
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Is that really your view of law enforcement? If the ex-President has documents in his possession that aren't his property and, additionally, contain classified information that may be dangerous for others to have then it only makes sense to retrieve them. Apparently, Trump has you so brainwashed that he has convinced you that he is above the law. It's absurd to say that "it has been a witch hunt from day one", whatever that means, and/or "they (meaning whom?) are so terrified of him being re-elected". That is the nonsense his handlers want you to believe. It's really sad that you and others are so easily brainwashed.
Dropship
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The lefty rabble's knives were always out for Trump after he proudly said he was a Christian-
It was either that or attacks against the left's people. Not sure but women have taken more than a few verbal beatings from Trump.
On Paris Hilton at age 12: https://theweek.com/articles/655770/61-things-donald-trump-said-about-women
On Paris Hilton
20. "Now, somebody who a lot of people don't give credit to but in actuality is really beautiful is Paris Hilton. I've known Paris Hilton from the time she's 12, her parents are friends of mine, and the first time I saw her she walked into the room and I said, 'Who the hell is that?'" [2003]
So now you are really showing your true colors. By calling them gangsters when they are law-abiding and patriotic citizens you have identified yourself with the Marxist/Fascist/Anarchist thugs who falsely call themselves "Democrats" while hurling every evil epithet against conservatives and Christians. Those who support evildoers become partakers of their evil deeds. As Hungarian president Orban said just recently "Democrats are THE ENEMIES of America".
As an outsider you might be right, the FBI could be corrupt, and everyone is out to get Trump as their enemy.
The point about a judicial system and investigation branch is for them to be neutral and to judge things by the law.
Is it a crime to search someones property to see if there is evidence of a crime? Not if there is sufficient grounds to suspect this
is true.
I watched a film about the New York police who 75% had been bought by drug lords. It took a small group of police with
integrity to prove this had happened and expose them, and bring in a legitimate force.
So it can happen anywhere. Equally Trump could corrupt the system and place loyal people to his whim wherever he could
and break the law.
So do we want a biased system or one that is just? And investigations that show up criminal activity even in people we like,
is this a good or a bad thing? As followers of Jesus and justice, Jesus would call us to uphold a just system.
God bless you
Leadership.
I have seen church leaders who want to do the obvious thing God is calling them to, hate the idea they are answerable
to a congregation who obviously have no clue what God wants because the leader is Gods anointed and so he knows.
Every politician I have seen goes through the same feelings about what they want to do and the restrictions the law,
the police and courts put on them. The more ambitious they are, and the more they believe they are the "one" who will
deliver the promised success, the more they want to sweep away these blocks.
No matter how much one loves these leaders, unrestrained dreams always turn sour, because they are just dreams
and need a good dose of reality, which is why we have laws, the police and courts. The legal framework is literally
Gods defender of the weak and needy, and everyone else.
God bless you
This all boils down to the Director of the Achieves hating Donald Trump. Today the DOJ has declared they never were advised or told about the raid. In other words Garland tossed this over the fence and put it into Wray's lap. If this is the case, every other "raid" should be investigated to see if Wray gave the approval to take people who were cooperating with investigations and drag them out of bed in the dead of night in their underwear ......Just to have the case fall apart and minimal if any sentences applied or thrown out of court entirely.
The DOJ had been in Mar A Lago and ordered the storage room padlocked. Trump Team complied and the DOJ was happy with the results. This has backfired on the FBI because of the media avalanche. The FBI broke the DOJ commanded padlock The DOJ saw the padlocked storage and approved the manner in which it was installed. The Secret Service provided the evidence of the installed padlock. If the Secret Service handled the installation of the lock ....the Secret Service held the keys. They would have recorded who went in and out. Cooler heads should have prevailed and just send another team to get the documents or walk in with a subpoena. There are legal ways to do this that don't involve strong arm thug tactics. The FBI will pay for this no matter what was discovered or whatever is revealed. If all they got were a group of classified documents, this wasn't worth the exercise. The political blowback is greater than a group of documents some of us has carried home on occasion.
At this level of Government or Professional Management...you don't do childish things. And according to what's being revealed, nothing will come of this, there are chain of evidence issues and the denial of a copy of the warrant is categorized as a field mistake by Super in charge. An inventory should have been handed over and allowing the attorneys to observe the actions of the raid. Bad move on the FBI's part ...... A real court will toss this evidence, if any, out. That means that if a special internal memo was found that said "Take over the Capital at 4 PM" It gets tossed. I've been enough courtrooms to see how evidence is to be obtained, controlled and presented.
It's fun to see defense attorneys and prosecutors go ballistic in a courtroom when the police screw up and evidence gets tossed on a technicality. That happens all the time.
The DOJ had been in Mar A Lago and ordered the storage room padlocked. Trump Team complied and the DOJ was happy with the results. This has backfired on the FBI because of the media avalanche. The FBI broke the DOJ commanded padlock The DOJ saw the padlocked storage and approved the manner in which it was installed. The Secret Service provided the evidence of the installed padlock. If the Secret Service handled the installation of the lock ....the Secret Service held the keys. They would have recorded who went in and out. Cooler heads should have prevailed and just send another team to get the documents or walk in with a subpoena. There are legal ways to do this that don't involve strong arm thug tactics. The FBI will pay for this no matter what was discovered or whatever is revealed. If all they got were a group of classified documents, this wasn't worth the exercise. The political blowback is greater than a group of documents some of us has carried home on occasion.
At this level of Government or Professional Management...you don't do childish things. And according to what's being revealed, nothing will come of this, there are chain of evidence issues and the denial of a copy of the warrant is categorized as a field mistake by Super in charge. An inventory should have been handed over and allowing the attorneys to observe the actions of the raid. Bad move on the FBI's part ...... A real court will toss this evidence, if any, out. That means that if a special internal memo was found that said "Take over the Capital at 4 PM" It gets tossed. I've been enough courtrooms to see how evidence is to be obtained, controlled and presented.
It's fun to see defense attorneys and prosecutors go ballistic in a courtroom when the police screw up and evidence gets tossed on a technicality. That happens all the time.
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mailmandan
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FBI Director Wray pushes back on threats following unprecedented raid on Trump: 'Deplorable and dangerous'
After that KGB style raid on Trump, what does he expect?
After that KGB style raid on Trump, what does he expect?
mailmandan
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FBI Raid Took Place Days After Historians Warned Joe Biden of Another Civil War
If things don't turn around soon, civil war will no longer be a question of "if" but WHEN.
If things don't turn around soon, civil war will no longer be a question of "if" but WHEN.
Funny, I haven't seen social blowback threats against the KGB ....excuse me FBI.
But just like the far left shooter at the ball practice .....There are extreme right wing nuts out there too.
They need to keep in mind ..... "The far right hasn't started shooting ..... yet ."
Some are like me ...open carry all the time. Mine because I'm in some of the worst neighborhoods in Birmingham daily ...
But just like the far left shooter at the ball practice .....There are extreme right wing nuts out there too.
They need to keep in mind ..... "The far right hasn't started shooting ..... yet ."
Some are like me ...open carry all the time. Mine because I'm in some of the worst neighborhoods in Birmingham daily ...
Dropship
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Trump fearlessly shoots from the hip regardless of whether it's a man or woman he's talking about, no wonder the snowflakes hate him.
Anyway he's a softy at heart otherwise he'd have jailed Hilary..:)
Well honestly so you know where I'm coming from. I'm a fan of the Bush presidents. I thought they handled the presidency with intelligence and tact. But I don't really care too much for Trump. I like the fact that he was promoting a more Christian nation, but in the end, let's face it, he is a business president that has rudeness towards women which shows something about his character.
I've known some business leaders. There are some that honor businesses and create a great working environment for everyone. Happy people that create happy work places. Trump just isn't one of those people. He's too judgmental. His shooting from the hip often shows his judgmental side. People like that are miserable to work for.
Dropship
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Well you've now got snowflake Biden for a President, good luck with that, he's overturned Trump and given Iran permission to continue its nuclear program, we'd all now better start buying bunkers-
No Pres was perfect (remember Democrat Clinton's shenanigan's with Monica?)
As a Christian, Trump was fearless and talked straight-
"Pray also for me, that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel..Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should" (Ephesians 6:19/20)
Mantis
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I’m not a fan of Trump but I don’t hate him. So I don’t have blind hatred of him. I guess I see what you don’t. No brainwashing as I don’t watch the news. I just observe the mouth foaming haters of him. It’s quite disgusting, the hate. If he is guilty of something so be it. But they already tried this(yawn). Remember the whole impeachment nonsense?
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Yes Trump put Biden and Clinton to shame. I'm not sure how much the world will suffer because of Biden, but with the inflation I'm sure that trade is effected negatively. And they keep risking WW3 which affects everyone.
And someone had a point about inflation earlier in this thread, can't remember who, but the rich keep getting richer and poor keep getting poorer. Which shows a type of, I hate to say it, a somewhat non-organized conspiracy. Similar to how the lefts push gayness on our children and desire to take away our parental right to raise the youth of the nation.
Oh, and BTW better hope that tin can bunker works instead of cooking the occupants. Did you know that during the early nuclear testing days, they put pigs in metal mailboxes some distance away from ground zero to test the affects on the pigs. Didn't turn out well. They called it operation Plumbbob:
Operation Plumbbob - 1957, Operation Plumbbob - Wikipedia
Almost 1,200 pigs were subjected to bio-medical experiments and blast-effects studies during Operation Plumbbob. On shot Priscilla (37 kt), 719 pigs were used in various experiments on Frenchman Flat. Some pigs were placed in elevated cages and provided with suits made of different materials, to test which materials provided best protection from the thermal radiation. As shown and reported in the PBS documentary Dark Circle, the pigs survived, but with third-degree burns to 80% of their bodies.[2] Other pigs were placed in pens behind large sheets of glass at measured distances from the hypocenter to test the effects of flying debris on living targets. Studies were conducted of radioactive contamination and fallout from a simulated accidental detonation of a weapon; and projects concerning earth motion, blast loading and neutron output were carried out.
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