Is Sunday the "New Covenant Sabbath"?

[True Faith]

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days” (Colossians 2:16)

I’m not letting you judge me.

Figure it out son. Because you are immature. Learn to perceive what God desires taking the entire volume of scripture into account.

I am not judging you at all.. scripture judges you it doesn't need me... oh and by the way... the "Sabbath days" is actually Saturdays in greek... so you know...

 

[Michiah-Imla]

the "Sabbath days" is actually Saturdays in greek... so you know...

Did I say it was Sunday or any other day?

 

[True Faith]

@Michiah-Imla it actually says σάββατον definition "the Sabbath, the seventh day (of the week)"

 

[True Faith]

Did I say it was Sunday or any other day?

well dont quote a piece of scripture unlsee you explain what you mean else it is up for grabs.. you seemed to have done that quite a bit in our other discussions.... so if you mean otherwise then say so and I will retract...

 

[Bob Estey]

God explicitly says the Seventh day as the is the only day of the week he made holy and sanctified...

Did the Lord give us a calendar which tells us which day is the last day of the week?

 

[Triumph1300]

If the Sabbath is not in force in someone's mind then they haven't accepted God yet because God said he would write his laws in their hearts and inward parts...

So those people are not saved?

 

[face2face]

Many today foolishly argue that Christians aren't obligated to keep the Ten Commandments but refuse to say we may disregard even one of them. A blind man can see both claims can't simultaneously be true any more than a woman can be both pregnant and not pregnant at the same time.

This OP is not for them.
It's for the mature, reasonable, thinking Christian who recognizes the Ten Commandments aren't the Ten Suggestions - the Christian who's been taught to keep the "New Covenant Christian Sabbath" - Sunday.​

Hebrews 9:16-17 KJV says in order for a testament ("covenant") to go into effect aka "ratified", there must first be the death of the "testator". Moreover, Galatians 3:15 KJV says once it's ratified, no man can add or take away anything from it. This is easily seen today at any reading of a "last will and testament".

Q. What ratified the Old Covenant?
A. The blood of bulls and goats.

Q. What ratified the New Covenant?
A. The blood of Jesus.

Q. When did Sunday keeping begin?
A. Even if the first Sunday after the Crucifixion was kept, it is still 3 days too late to be included in the New Covenant.

Therefore, those of us who know the New Covenant consists of the Ten Commandments that were once written in stone but are now written on the heart (2 Corinthians 3:1-3 KJV; Hebrews 8:8-10 KJV) must accept that Sunday is still only a work day as are the other six days, and cannot replace the eternal 7th day Sabbath as some "New Covenant Christian Sabbath".

Phoneman, can you state clearly your point here sorry I'm struggling today to make sense of it. What in affect are you saying. Thanks

 

[True Faith]

Did the Lord give us a calendar which tells us which day is the last day of the week?

The Hebrews and the Jesus have kept the exact same day since the beginning, the 7th day... in 321 AD Constantine Decreed the Sabbath day change from the Jewish Sabbath the 7th day to Sunday the first day of the week,,,, the Catholic church just ran with it and even takes credit for the change of the day of worship from the 7th day to the 1st day...

 

[True Faith]

So those people are not saved?

if they are not obeying the Laws of God and Jesus clearly told you what you needed to do in order to be saved...
Gonna love it when the next person pops off about boasting because Jesus Said it...

 

[PinSeeker]

If the sabbath is not in force in your minds, why not let it go?

I don't think anybody's arguing that, Cassandra. As Enoch said, the Christian Sabbath is the first day of the week ~ the day on which Christ rose from the dead. And as I said, the ceremonial purpose of the old covenant Sabbath was fulfilled in Jesus, so the Lord’s Day as the new covenant Sabbath is celebrated by His people on the first day of the week.

What would be the harm in letting folk believe that the 7th day sabbath is still in force?

There's no real "harm," per se. If you go to a Gospel-preaching church, then hey, do what you want. But still. holding to the seventh day sabbath is... well, sorry, but just not right. See above.

If it doesn't matter which day you think folk should worship on, then go find something else worthy to debate about.

Well, I didn't start this thread. That was Phoneman, who, obviously, holds to the seventh day sabbath. So who starts these debates? And who gets passionate ~ maybe overly so ~ in defending their view of it? Well, I guess, like most things, there's plenty of blame to go around, but in this case it was originally and has been the seventh day folks.

At any rate, though, it does matter; see above. It is important. It's about Jesus. Yes, the Hebrews and Jesus kept the exact same day since the beginning, the seventh day, but that was before He was crucified and resurrected on the third day, the first day of the week, Sunday. And in the early days of the Church, the people of God ~ led by the apostles ~ met on the first day of the week... Sunday. In Acts 20, Luke writes the following:

"On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight." (Acts 20:7)

Even apart from that, though, as we are exhorted by the writer of Hebrews ~ and we all will agree on this, I hope ~ we should not neglect to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encourage one another, and all the more as you see the Day ~ the Day of Christ ~ drawing near (Hebrews 10:25).

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Cassandra]

. As Enoch said, the Christian Sabbath is the first day of the week ~ the day on which Christ rose from the dead. And as I said, the ceremonial purpose of the old covenant Sabbath was fulfilled in Jesus, so the Lord’s Day as the new covenant Sabbath is celebrated by His people on the first day of the week.

But this was never commanded. The only memorial Christ asked us to keep was communion, to show his death. 'Christian Sabbath" is a name thrown on a replacement day.

The Sabbath was a memorial of the Creation.

 

[PinSeeker]

But this was never commanded. The only memorial Christ asked us to keep was communion, to show his death. 'Christian Sabbath" is a name thrown on a replacement day.

Okay, well, we'll just agree to disagree, then. I don't have any problem, though, with you calling it a "replacement day," actually. Yes, the Old Covenant sabbath was replaced, at least in a sense. Please allow me to expand just a bit on what the writer of Hebrews tells us... the greater context of Hebrews 10:25, which I pointed out before:

"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away" (Hebrews 8:13)

"...when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) He entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of His own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption..." (Hebrews 9:11-12)​

"Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus, by the new and living way that He opened for us through the curtain, that is, through His flesh, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near." (Hebrews 10:19-25)​

Certainly, the fourth Commandment is, "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Exodus 20:8) Jesus, as I'm sure you know, instituting the Lord's Supper, says, "This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of Me” ...and likewise the cup... "This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood" (Luke 22:19-20). So yes, it is a replacement, a new and much better way of remembering that the Lord Himself has given us.

The Sabbath was a memorial of the Creation.

Well, I don't really disagree, but it was God's day of rest after His act of Creation, in which He reflected on all He had made and pronounced "very good." And we do the same thing with regard to temporal things and what we have done over the course of the previous week, but now the New Covenant Sabbath is a looking forward to the eternal Sabbath that we will certainly have in and with Jesus ~ Who finished His work of redemption on the cross... "It is finished!"... and then rose on the first day of the week, Sunday. This is exactly what the apostles and the early church did, as previously pointed out in Acts 20:7 ~ "On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight." Breaking bread... that's Communion, the Lord's Supper, right? They did it on the first day of the week, Sunday.

Grace and peace to you!

 

[Wrangler]

Sure. That is the Sabbath of the unbelieving Jews. But the Christian Sabbath is the first day of the week -- the day on which Christ rose from the dead.

Wow! The Jews believe in God and have been trusted to keep his word for Millenia.

There is no such thing as a Christian Sabbath Day.

True, the new Creation, like the old, began on the first day. However, that comforting symmetry changes nothing about resting on the 7th day, to keep it holy, in honor of … wait for it … Creation, not the re-creation made through Christ.

I’m glad we have Saturday and Sundays off from regular work.

 

[Wrangler]

I don't have any problem, though, with you calling it a "replacement day,"

Never heard of “replacement day."

 

[Triumph1300]

if they are not obeying the Laws of God and Jesus clearly told you what you needed to do in order to be saved...

So, you say we need to be saved through works?

I.o.w. I accepted what Christ did for me on the Cross.
He died for me.

But if I don't start keeping the sabbath I will be unsaved again?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Many today foolishly argue that Christians aren't obligated to keep the Ten Commandments but refuse to say we may disregard even one of them. A blind man can see both claims can't simultaneously be true any more than a woman can be both pregnant and not pregnant at the same time.

This OP is not for them.
It's for the mature, reasonable, thinking Christian who recognizes the Ten Commandments aren't the Ten Suggestions - the Christian who's been taught to keep the "New Covenant Christian Sabbath" - Sunday.​

Hebrews 9:16-17 KJV says in order for a testament ("covenant") to go into effect aka "ratified", there must first be the death of the "testator". Moreover, Galatians 3:15 KJV says once it's ratified, no man can add or take away anything from it. This is easily seen today at any reading of a "last will and testament".

Q. What ratified the Old Covenant?
A. The blood of bulls and goats.

Q. What ratified the New Covenant?
A. The blood of Jesus.

Q. When did Sunday keeping begin?
A. Even if the first Sunday after the Crucifixion was kept, it is still 3 days too late to be included in the New Covenant.

Therefore, those of us who know the New Covenant consists of the Ten Commandments that were once written in stone but are now written on the heart (2 Corinthians 3:1-3 KJV; Hebrews 8:8-10 KJV) must accept that Sunday is still only a work day as are the other six days, and cannot replace the eternal 7th day Sabbath as some "New Covenant Christian Sabbath".

Sorry I am late to the party here. But you are so wrong! The early church comprised of Jews met on sunday after Sabbath .

Paul told the Corinthianms to lay aside their offering on the first day of the week.

Nine of the ten commandments are carried to the new, but the Sabbath was not because we have entered into Sabbath rest as Hebrews says.

The Sabbath is an eternal covenant between god and the nation of Israel, not the gentiles as it is also written.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

If the Sabbath is not in force in someone's mind then they haven't accepted God yet because God said he would write his laws in their hearts and inward parts...

As one Cardinal said "you can search the scriptures from Genesis to Revelation and never find where God sanctified the first day of the week.." the Catholic takes credit for that ..

Well not eating pork was one of gods 613 laws as well. Not wearing mixed fabrics is another law, do we have to obey these as well or will you conisder us unsaved also?

 

[Bob Estey]

The Hebrews and the Jesus have kept the exact same day since the beginning, the 7th day... in 321 AD Constantine Decreed the Sabbath day change from the Jewish Sabbath the 7th day to Sunday the first day of the week,,,, the Catholic church just ran with it and even takes credit for the change of the day of worship from the 7th day to the 1st day...

I seem to remember Jesus did some work on the sabbath.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I seem to remember Jesus did some work on the sabbath.

Also the rabbis in synagogue did lots of work on the Sabbath by preaching and teaching. We would want our pastors to work. It would be their big work day! Preaching the word of God.

 

[Bob Estey]

Also the rabbis in synagogue did lots of work on the Sabbath by preaching and teaching. We would want our pastors to work. It would be their big work day! Preaching the word of God.

Yes, it seems to me they regularly take Mondays off.