Is Sunday the "New Covenant Sabbath"?

[Phoneman777]

Many today foolishly argue that Christians aren't obligated to keep the Ten Commandments but refuse to say we may disregard even one of them. A blind man can see both claims can't simultaneously be true any more than a woman can be both pregnant and not pregnant at the same time.

This OP is not for them. ​

It's for the mature, reasonable, thinking Christian who recognizes the Ten Commandments aren't the Ten Suggestions - the Christian who's been taught to keep the "New Covenant Christian Sabbath" - Sunday.​

Hebrews 9:16-17 KJV says in order for a testament ("covenant") to go into effect aka "ratified", there must first be the death of the "testator". Moreover, Galatians 3:15 KJV says once it's ratified, no man can add or take away anything from it. This is easily seen today at any reading of a "last will and testament".

Q. What ratified the Old Covenant?
A. The blood of bulls and goats.

Q. What ratified the New Covenant?
A. The blood of Jesus.

Q. When did Sunday keeping begin?
A. Even if the first Sunday after the Crucifixion was kept, it is still 3 days too late to be included in the New Covenant.

Therefore, those of us who know the New Covenant consists of the Ten Commandments that were once written in stone but are now written on the heart (2 Corinthians 3:1-3 KJV; Hebrews 8:8-10 KJV) must accept that Sunday is still only a work day as are the other six days, and cannot replace the eternal 7th day Sabbath as some "New Covenant Christian Sabbath".

 

[PinSeeker]

Like 99% of all Sunday School questions, the answer this question, too, essentially, is "Jesus." :)

At creation, God set aside the seventh day to be a day of holy rest and worship for His image bearers. He appointed the Sabbath day to be a symbol of the promise of entering into His eternal rest in glory. Accordingly, the Sabbath command is both rooted in creation and directed to the new creation. Within the framework of God's laws, the Sabbath command has both a moral and a ceremonial element to it. The moral part of the commandment is seen in its inclusion in the Ten Commandments. The ceremonial element appears in that it was to be observed as the seventh day of the week until the coming of Christ. After the death and resurrection of Christ, the moral principle remains, but the ceremonial principle has changed. The Christian Sabbath transitions from the seventh to the first day of the week after the resurrection of Christ. Though Adam failed to secure the original consummation of the eternal rest held out in the covenant of works, Christ ~ the last Adam ~ has secured a way to glory and eternal rest for all who trust in Him. The Christian Sabbath or Lord’s Day anticipates the full experience of eternal rest in the world to come.

the Pharisaic emphasis on the Sabbath was deeply legalistic and self-righteous. Failing to see that Jesus came to give rest to the souls of those who were burdened by sin and misery (Matthew 11:29–30), the Pharisees rigorously opposed Him on the Sabbath. They had made the Sabbath a burden with man-made regulations. The nature of Jesus’ ministry was mercy. For this reason, Jesus did many of His miracles on the Sabbath. As the Lord of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8), Christ brought merciful rest, restoration, and spiritual wholeness through His saving work. The principles of mercy and necessity continue to serve as the two biblical exclusions to the cessation of work on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1–12).

The ceremonial aspect of the Sabbath is embodied in the biblical emphasis on the symbolism of the number seven. From creation until the coming of Christ, the Sabbath was the seventh day of the week. In Scripture, the number seven connoted perfection or completion. The seventh-day Sabbath anticipated the finished work of Jesus for the salvation of His people. It was the culmination of what Adam ought to have secured for himself and his offspring by meeting the conditions of the covenant of works. As the last Adam, Jesus cam to fulfill the conditions of the covenant of works and to secure new creation blessings for His people. Having finished the work of redemption ("It is finished!"), Jesus rested in the grave on the old covenant Sabbath and rose from the grave in His resurrection on the first day of the week.

Debate over the continuation of the Sabbath today largely centers on the fact that there were ceremonial Sabbaths in the old covenant law that are no longer binding. These were distinct ceremonial Sabbath days at the end of festivals and ceremonies (Exodus 23:10–11; Leviticus 23). When Paul stated, “Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath” (Colossians 2:16), he had special feast days, festivals, and ceremonial Sabbaths in mind ~ that is, the ceremonial laws given to Israel to foreshadow Christ. On the principle of a seven-day week, the first and the eighth days are one and the same. This is why Jesus showed Himself to His disciples “eight days” after His resurrection (John 20:26). The new covenant church accepted this change from the seventh to the first day of the week as the day of rest and worship. Paul told the Corinthians to lay aside their giving when they were gathered together on “the first day of the week” (1 Corinthans 16:2). The ceremonial purpose of the old covenant Sabbath was fulfilled in Jesus, so the Lord’s Day as the new covenant Sabbath is celebrated by His people on the first day of the week.

Grace and peace to you, Phoneman.

 

[Truth7t7]

Many today foolishly argue that Christians aren't obligated to keep the Ten Commandments but refuse to say we may disregard even one of them. A blind man can see both claims can't simultaneously be true any more than a woman can be both pregnant and not pregnant at the same time.

This OP is not for them.
It's for the mature, reasonable, thinking Christian who recognizes the Ten Commandments aren't the Ten Suggestions - the Christian who's been taught to keep the "New Covenant Christian Sabbath" - Sunday.​

Hebrews 9:16-17 KJV says in order for a testament ("covenant") to go into effect aka "ratified", there must first be the death of the "testator". Moreover, Galatians 3:15 KJV says once it's ratified, no man can add or take away anything from it. This is easily seen today at any reading of a "last will and testament".

Q. What ratified the Old Covenant?
A. The blood of bulls and goats.

Q. What ratified the New Covenant?
A. The blood of Jesus.

Q. When did Sunday keeping begin?
A. Even if the first Sunday after the Crucifixion was kept, it is still 3 days too late to be included in the New Covenant.

Therefore, those of us who know the New Covenant consists of the Ten Commandments that were once written in stone but are now written on the heart (2 Corinthians 3:1-3 KJV; Hebrews 8:8-10 KJV) must accept that Sunday is still only a work day as are the other six days, and cannot replace the eternal 7th day Sabbath as some "New Covenant Christian Sabbath".

The Ten commandments are alive and well, and apply for all today

However many of the teachings of Ellen G. White and 7th Day Adventism that you follow aren't!

Just A Few Mentions Below

1. "Soul Sleep" in denial of Hell torment upon the wickeds death

2. The investigative judgement

3. Belief in the false claims of Ellen G. White in her 2,000 dreams and visions

4. Sunday observance is the mark of the beast

 

[Bob Estey]

Many today foolishly argue that Christians aren't obligated to keep the Ten Commandments but refuse to say we may disregard even one of them. A blind man can see both claims can't simultaneously be true any more than a woman can be both pregnant and not pregnant at the same time.

This OP is not for them.
It's for the mature, reasonable, thinking Christian who recognizes the Ten Commandments aren't the Ten Suggestions - the Christian who's been taught to keep the "New Covenant Christian Sabbath" - Sunday.​

Hebrews 9:16-17 KJV says in order for a testament ("covenant") to go into effect aka "ratified", there must first be the death of the "testator". Moreover, Galatians 3:15 KJV says once it's ratified, no man can add or take away anything from it. This is easily seen today at any reading of a "last will and testament".

Q. What ratified the Old Covenant?
A. The blood of bulls and goats.

Q. What ratified the New Covenant?
A. The blood of Jesus.

Q. When did Sunday keeping begin?
A. Even if the first Sunday after the Crucifixion was kept, it is still 3 days too late to be included in the New Covenant.

Therefore, those of us who know the New Covenant consists of the Ten Commandments that were once written in stone but are now written on the heart (2 Corinthians 3:1-3 KJV; Hebrews 8:8-10 KJV) must accept that Sunday is still only a work day as are the other six days, and cannot replace the eternal 7th day Sabbath as some "New Covenant Christian Sabbath".

No, I think the sabbath is the one day in the week you are able to take off from work.

 

[Phoneman777]

No, I think the sabbath is the one day in the week you are able to take off from work.

Which day does God say it is?

 

[Bob Estey]

Which day does God say it is?

I don't think he mentions a day - he just says the last day of the week. That could be any of the seven.

 

[Phoneman777]

I don't think he mentions a day - he just says the last day of the week. That could be any of the seven.

God said "the" seventh day, "the" being a definite article referring to the one specific seventh day. If it said "a" seventh day you'd have a point.

If someone said, "I've got $1,000 for you on the seventh day", you'd be there, right? All your uncertainty about which day that was would evaporate :cool:

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Jesus gave two (2) commandments they are LOVE the Lord your God with all your strength,heart, soul and mind. The other is to LOVE your neighbor as yourself ,all things hang upon these.

He also said to show we are his disciples to LOVE one another.

Do you think Jesus dishonored the Sabbath as those Pharisee did by healing,eating ect. on the Sabbath? He rebuked them. Keeping the Sabbath holy and remembering God rested after his six days of creation is HIS REST.
WE FIND OUR REST IN JESUS,regardless the day. Every day must be a day of worship and resting in him.

Come on Darling, even as a SDA you've got to have more to discuss than this.

 

[Philip James]

Like 99% of all Sunday School questions, the answer this question, too, essentially, is "Jesus." :)

At creation, God set aside the seventh day to be a day of holy rest and worship for His image bearers. He appointed the Sabbath day to be a symbol of the promise of entering into His eternal rest in glory. Accordingly, the Sabbath command is both rooted in creation and directed to the new creation. Within the framework of God's laws, the Sabbath command has both a moral and a ceremonial element to it. The moral part of the commandment is seen in its inclusion in the Ten Commandments. The ceremonial element appears in that it was to be observed as the seventh day of the week until the coming of Christ. After the death and resurrection of Christ, the moral principle remains, but the ceremonial principle has changed. The Christian Sabbath transitions from the seventh to the first day of the week after the resurrection of Christ. Though Adam failed to secure the original consummation of the eternal rest held out in the covenant of works, Christ ~ the last Adam ~ has secured a way to glory and eternal rest for all who trust in Him. The Christian Sabbath or Lord’s Day anticipates the full experience of eternal rest in the world to come.

the Pharisaic emphasis on the Sabbath was deeply legalistic and self-righteous. Failing to see that Jesus came to give rest to the souls of those who were burdened by sin and misery (Matthew 11:29–30), the Pharisees rigorously opposed Him on the Sabbath. They had made the Sabbath a burden with man-made regulations. The nature of Jesus’ ministry was mercy. For this reason, Jesus did many of His miracles on the Sabbath. As the Lord of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8), Christ brought merciful rest, restoration, and spiritual wholeness through His saving work. The principles of mercy and necessity continue to serve as the two biblical exclusions to the cessation of work on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1–12).

The ceremonial aspect of the Sabbath is embodied in the biblical emphasis on the symbolism of the number seven. From creation until the coming of Christ, the Sabbath was the seventh day of the week. In Scripture, the number seven connoted perfection or completion. The seventh-day Sabbath anticipated the finished work of Jesus for the salvation of His people. It was the culmination of what Adam ought to have secured for himself and his offspring by meeting the conditions of the covenant of works. As the last Adam, Jesus cam to fulfill the conditions of the covenant of works and to secure new creation blessings for His people. Having finished the work of redemption ("It is finished!"), Jesus rested in the grave on the old covenant Sabbath and rose from the grave in His resurrection on the first day of the week.

Debate over the continuation of the Sabbath today largely centers on the fact that there were ceremonial Sabbaths in the old covenant law that are no longer binding. These were distinct ceremonial Sabbath days at the end of festivals and ceremonies (Exodus 23:10–11; Leviticus 23). When Paul stated, “Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath” (Colossians 2:16), he had special feast days, festivals, and ceremonial Sabbaths in mind ~ that is, the ceremonial laws given to Israel to foreshadow Christ. On the principle of a seven-day week, the first and the eighth days are one and the same. This is why Jesus showed Himself to His disciples “eight days” after His resurrection (John 20:26). The new covenant church accepted this change from the seventh to the first day of the week as the day of rest and worship. Paul told the Corinthians to lay aside their giving when they were gathered together on “the first day of the week” (1 Corinthans 16:2). The ceremonial purpose of the old covenant Sabbath was fulfilled in Jesus, so the Lord’s Day as the new covenant Sabbath is celebrated by His people on the first day of the week.

Grace and peace to you, Phoneman.

Indeed we celebrate the 8th day, the First day of the new creation, the day our Lord and Saviour rose from the dead..

Pax et Bonum

 

[Bob Estey]

God said "the" seventh day, "the" being a definite article referring to the one specific seventh day. If it said "a" seventh day you'd have a point.

If someone said, "I've got $1,000 for you on the seventh day", you'd be there, right? All your uncertainty about which day that was would evaporate :cool:

Did the Lord hand you a calendar, or did you buy it at Hallmark?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days…” (Colossians 2:16)

“For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.” (Acts 15:28-29)

 

[Phoneman777]

Did the Lord hand you a calendar, or did you buy it at Hallmark?

Barnes and Noble hadn't been invented yet, so disdaining the inconvenience, He just spoke directly from atop a mountain -- and used the Definite Article "the" when telling us which day of the week is the Sabbath, and not the Indefinite Article "a" upon which your disproven argument rests.

He said "the" seventh day, not "a" seventh day.

 

[Bob Estey]

Barnes and Noble hadn't been invented yet, so disdaining the inconvenience, He just spoke directly from atop a mountain -- and used the Definite Article "the" when telling us which day of the week is the Sabbath, and not the Indefinite Article "a" upon which your disproven argument rests.

He said "the" seventh day, not "a" seventh day.

Who told you Saturday is "the" seventh day? And how do you interpret the following?:

[27] And he said to them, "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath;
[28] so the Son of man is lord even of the sabbath." Mark 2:27-28

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

The thing that makes proponents of such beliefs total hypocrites is that they'll suddenly turn into defenders of God's commandments when it comes to abortion, and they'll never argue that refraining from abortion is an attempt to save themselves with works. Those kinds of "you're trying to save yourself with works" arguments usually surface when it comes topics that inconveniences what they want to do.

Did the Lord hand you a calendar, or did you buy it at Hallmark?

The fact that the Orthodox Jews have been observing the Sabbath during the biblical period of Friday sunset-Saturday sunset ever since they returned from Babylonian captivity ought to tell any discerning person when the Sabbath is to be observed. Man-made calendars had 0 effect on the weekly cycle, so there is literally no excuse for anyone in the civilized world as to why they can't know which day the Sabbath is supposed to be observed.

Like 99% of all Sunday School questions, the answer this question, too, essentially, is "Jesus." :)
The new covenant church accepted this change from the seventh to the first day of the week as the day of rest and worship. Paul told the Corinthians to lay aside their giving when they were gathered together on “the first day of the week” (1 Corinthans 16:2). The ceremonial purpose of the old covenant Sabbath was fulfilled in Jesus, so the Lord’s Day as the new covenant Sabbath is celebrated by His people on the first day of the week.

Grace and peace to you, Phoneman.

Your whole argument is a pack of lies, but i want to specifically focus on debunking this part. There are at least several issues concerning your assumption:

1. The Sabbath never changed because Jesus' female followers kept the commanded Sabbath just a few days after Jesus died. Luk. 23:56 doesn't designate a change anywhere in the passage. If there was a change in the day, that would've been the time for scripture to mention it since it was when the New Covenant was instituted.

2. During the 40 days that Jesus continued to teach the disciples, He didn't designate a change from the 7th day to the 1st day.

3. Acts 17:2 says Paul continued to keep the commanded Sabbath, and this is definitely problematic for your argument because it states that Paul continued to keep the commanded Sabbath. Again, no change is mentioned anywhere. If the change had occurred, then Luke wouldn't have been able to state that Paul continued to keep the commanded Sabbath as a custom.

4. Acts 15:21 is another problematic issue for your argument because James said that Moses' writings were read to the Gentile converts on the commanded Sabbath and no other day. Again, there is nothing about that passage that even remotely suggested that there was a change.

5. All 10 of the commandments that are listed in the Decalogue are spiritual(Rom. 7:14), only deceived person are uneducated ignoramus would dare to argue that the Sabbath as a ceremonial law that Christ came to replace. There is absolutely no logical room for this argument because Jesus Himself plainly stated in Matt. 5:17 that no one was to even think that He came to diminish any part of the OT's authority, let alone the authority of the commandments that are listed in the Decalogue.

There is nothing about the Sabbath command that gives anyone the right to decide which day is going to be holy for them when God already put a permanent stamp on the 7th day as the one day that will eternally be consecrated.

In order for Sunday-keepers to continue justifying the erroneous and quite silly belief that Sunday is the new Sabbath, they have to answer (a) why they don't keep the whole Sunday period holy, (b) how come there is no explicit statement from God or an apostle that outright states that Sunday is the new Sabbath period, and (c), why they ignore the Millennial passages in the OT that says Jesus will enforce the commanded Sabbath when He returns.

Sunday keepers talk a good game about how much they believe God and the Bible, but their deeds and contempt for God's Sabbaths ironically show that they are the same breed of religious hypocrites as the Pharisees.

 

[Bob Estey]

The fact that the Orthodox Jews have been observing the Sabbath during the biblical period of Friday sunset-Saturday sunset ever since they returned from Babylonian captivity ought to tell any discerning person when the Sabbath is to be observed. Man-made calendars had 0 effect on the weekly cycle, so there is literally no excuse for anyone in the civilized world as to why they can't know which day the Sabbath is supposed to be observed.

So we take orders from the Orthodox Jews?

 

[Enoch111]

The fact that the Orthodox Jews have been observing the Sabbath during the biblical period of Friday sunset-Saturday sunset ever since they returned from Babylonian captivity ought to tell any discerning person when the Sabbath is to be observed.

Sure. That is the Sabbath of the unbelieving Jews. But the Christian Sabbath is the first day of the week -- the day on which Christ rose from the dead. Thus Paul calls the Sabbath days "SHADOWS", since the reality is Christ.

 

[Cassandra]

If the sabbath is not in force in your minds, why not let it go? What would be the harm in letting folk believe that the 7th day sabbath is still in force?
Thread after thread, over and over.
If it doesn't matter which day you think folk should worship on, then go find something else worthy to debate about.

 

[True Faith]

I don't think he mentions a day - he just says the last day of the week. That could be any of the seven.

God explicitly says the Seventh day as the is the only day of the week he made holy and sanctified...

 

[True Faith]

Sure. That is the Sabbath of the unbelieving Jews. But the Christian Sabbath is the first day of the week -- the day on which Christ rose from the dead. Thus Paul calls the Sabbath days "SHADOWS", since the reality is Christ.

Paul says they are a shadow of things to come... Please quote it correctly...

 

[True Faith]

If the sabbath is not in force in your minds, why not let it go? What would be the harm in letting folk believe that the 7th day sabbath is still in force?
Thread after thread, over and over.
If it doesn't matter which day you think folk should worship on, then go find something else worthy to debate about.

If the Sabbath is not in force in someone's mind then they haven't accepted God yet because God said he would write his laws in their hearts and inward parts...

As one Cardinal said "you can search the scriptures from Genesis to Revelation and never find where God sanctified the first day of the week.." the Catholic takes credit for that ..