Yahweh Sends Yahweh

[True Faith]

I believe Jesus was God in human form and that in that human form He left the glory He shared with God and took on the form of a servant, having to depend completely on God, who is the Holy Spirit.

yeah you are a Trinitarian... because you know that God is the Father... so yeah you are a Trinitarian...

 

[True Faith]

Okay, gotta go. Thanks for the conversation. I actually learned some things.

you didn't learn a single thing at all...

 

[heartwashed]

why are you contradicting yourself???.... Are you saying that "God Himself" in the Flesh has a different will than God Himself???

Remember Jesus was God Himself, God in the Flesh.. so by your very statement you are saying that God Himself lied when he said he did not come to do his own will but actually did his own will...

God in the flesh is distinct from God as He dwells in eternity as a Spirit without flesh.

God in the flesh came not to do His own will (as God in the flesh) but the will of God as He dwells in eternity without flesh.

The latter desired that Jesus die on the Cross. The former, being in the flesh, desired not to die because He was in the flesh.

I do find it interesting that you say that he is God Himself yet not God Himself... very interesting in deed... but it still doesn't answer the question...

No matter how you spin it to try and make sense out of your lies, God is God no matter if you claim him to be Flesh or Spirit...

Remember "God for God and true God from true God" are there two Gods or just one God in two people there???

I am not distinctly Oneness so that argument does not work with me. I believe that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are distinct from one another.

lol... so you are saying that God himself will tell a lie then???

No...that is what you are saying.

to understand scripture you must understand Greek and Hebrew...

All you need to get the unadulterated whole counsel of God is the Holy Spirit and a trusty King James Version of the Bible.

Actually yes I do speak the truth...

No; actually you don't. You speak against the Trinity and therefore are in opposition to the truth.

for starters.. even in the bible.. there is no doctrine of the Trinity at all...

The Bible does in fact teach the doctrine of the Trinity.

 

[True Faith]

God in the flesh is distinct from God as He dwells in eternity as a Spirit without flesh.

God in the flesh came not to do His own will (as God in the flesh) but the will of God as He dwells in eternity without flesh.

The latter desired that Jesus die on the Cross. The former, being in the flesh, desired not to die because He was in the flesh.



I am not distinctly Oneness so that argument does not work with me. I believe that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are distinct from one another.



No...that is what you are saying.



All you need to get the unadulterated whole counsel of God is the Holy Spirit and a trusty King James Version of the Bible.



No; actually you don't. You speak against the Trinity and therefore are in opposition to the truth.



The Bible does in fact teach the doctrine of the Trinity.

Well then you are a Trinitarian, despite what you claim...

When you say that Jesus is God in the Flesh then you are saying that God is a Liar... you deny that Jesus is the Christ/ the Anointed one because you claim Jesus is God Himself in the Flesh so there is no truth in you at all...

1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."

The Anointed one/Christ is Chosen and sent by God.. God Cannot be the Christ because he is God and cannot anoint himself...

God will not lie because it is impossible for him to lie...

The Bible does not teach the Trinity... The Trinity teaches that Jesus is God Himself period...

 

[heartwashed]

The Bible does in fact teach the Trinity.

And saying that Jesus is God in the flesh in no way precludes that He is not the anointed One.

Provide scripture that says that the Lord (God) cannot anoint Himself.

 

[True Faith]

The Bible does in fact teach the Trinity.

And saying that Jesus is God in the flesh in no way precludes that He is not the anointed One.

Provide scripture that says that the Lord (God) cannot anoint Himself.

No the Bible doe snot teach a Trinity... Show me a scripture that shows that is possible for God to lie...

 

[heartwashed]

No the Bible doe snot teach a Trinity... Show me a scripture that shows that is possible for God to lie...

1 John 1:10, 1 John 5:10.

It is not that God lies but that there is a "breach of promise" when we don't believe Him (Numbers 14:38).

 

[True Faith]

1 John 1:10, 1 John 5:10.

It is not that God lies but that there is a "breach of promise" when we don't believe Him (Numbers 14:38).

And you do not believe him because the one who claims that Jesus is God Himself and he said that he did not come to do his own will...

 

[heartwashed]

And you do not believe him because the one who claims that Jesus is God Himself and he said that he did not come to do his own will...

I have already dealt with your contention adequately.

You don't have any ground to stand on.

 

[True Faith]

I have already dealt with your contention adequately.

You don't have any ground to stand on.

Actually you haven't dealt with anything anyone has come at you with that refutes your lies...

show us in the bible that it is possible for God to tell a lie...

 

[True Faith]

I have already dealt with your contention adequately.

You don't have any ground to stand on.

Just so you know you actually have to convince us that you are right and that your doctrine is sound... If we are not convinced then your work is not done... according to scripture...

Titus 1:9-16 "9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."

 

[heartwashed]

Actually you haven't dealt with anything anyone has come at you with that refutes your lies...

show us in the bible that it is possible for God to tell a lie...

Here...

1 John 1:10, 1 John 5:10.

It is not that God lies but that there is a "breach of promise" when we don't believe Him (Numbers 14:38).

Just so you know you actually have to convince us that you are right and that your doctrine is sound... If we are not convinced then your work is not done... according to scripture...

Titus 1:9-16 "9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."

Actually, I have the option of letting you take it or leave it. I can even opt to let the blind be leaders of the blind.

I am not obligated to convince you of sound doctrine, that is the Holy Spirit's job.

I can try to point you in the right direction.

But as it is has been spoken,

"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink."

But at least in the verse that you chose to quote to me, you admitted that what I am preaching to you is sound doctrine.

That ought to speak to you.

You know that it is sound doctrine; you just don't want to believe in it.

2Ti 4:3, For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

 

[True Faith]

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Actually, I have the option of letting you take it or leave it. I can even opt to let the blind be leaders of the blind.

I am not obligated to convince you of sound doctrine, that is the Holy Spirit's job.

I can try to point you in the right direction.

But as it is has been spoken,

"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink."

But at least in the verse that you chose to quote to me, you admitted that what I am preaching to you is sound doctrine.

That ought to speak to you.

You know that it is sound doctrine; you just don't want to believe in it.

2Ti 4:3, For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

no actually you don't have the option. you have yet to provide sound doctrine...

 

[heartwashed]

no actually you don't have the option. you have yet to provide sound doctrine...

I also have the option of ignoring you...

 

[True Faith]

I also have the option of ignoring you...

if you want to ignore the truth, by all means go ahead. You would be going against scripture when you do.

 

[True Faith]

Sound doctrine is a doctrine that cannot be condemned...
Anyone who uses John 1:1,14 to establish Jesus as being God Himself, is not teaching sound doctrine because it can be condemned.

in fact, any such doctrine condemns it self because it makes God Himself out to be a liar.

God the Son is God Himself, according to John 1:1,14

 

[heartwashed]

Sound doctrine is a doctrine that cannot be condemned...
Anyone who uses John 1:1,14 to establish Jesus as being God Himself, is not teaching sound doctrine because it can be condemned.

in fact, any such doctrine condemns it self because it makes God Himself out to be a liar.

God the Son is God Himself, according to John 1:1,14

How does it make God out to be a liar?

I fail to see where you are coming from.

 

[heartwashed]

if you want to ignore the truth, by all means go ahead. You would be going against scripture when you do.

You are not the truth!

Jesus is (John 14:6).

 

[Matthias]

“He sent His word and healed them, And delivered them from their destructions.”

(Psalm 107:20, NASB)

 

[True Faith]

How does it make God out to be a liar?

I fail to see where you are coming from.

You are not the truth!

Jesus is (John 14:6).

The reason you fail to see where I am coming from is because you ignore the Truth being said to you...

I said I speak the truth...pay attention...