Is observation of the Sabbath day a requirement for Christians?

[farouk]

No, it doesn't. It says from Sabbath to Sabbath. It is talking about our activity in the earth made new.

@Cassandra In any case, the believer now focuses on the Resurrection, which occurred on the first day of the week (1 Corinthians 15.57). :)

 

[BarneyFife]

No...each of the six days, yes, but not the seventh:

1. Genesis 1:5
   God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.
2. Genesis 1:8
   And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
3. Genesis 1:13
   So the evening and the morning were the third day.
4. Genesis 1:19
   So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
5. Genesis 1:23
   So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
6. Genesis 1:31
   Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
7. Genesis 2:2
   And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.

Leviticus 23:32 NKJV: It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath.”


Mark 1:21 NKJV: Then they went into Capernaum, and immediately on the Sabbath He entered the synagogue and taught.
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Mark 1:32 NKJV: At evening, when the sun had set, they brought to Him all who were sick and those who were demon-possessed.
Mark 1:33 NKJV: And the whole city was gathered together at the door.
Mark 1:34 NKJV: Then He healed many who were sick with various diseases, and cast out many demons; and He did not allow the demons to speak, because they knew Him.​

The Sabbath ends at sunset after the Seventh-day, 24-hour period, like every other day of the week. There is no other reason for a 7-day cycle. And there is no reason to speculate that the first 7th day occurring immediately after the creation of the heavens and the earth never ended, except by an argument from silence logical fallacy.

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[BarneyFife]

@Cassandra In any case, the believer now focuses on the Resurrection, which occurred on the first day of the week (1 Corinthians 15.57). :)

There is no hint of any instruction anywhere in the Bible that the solemnity of the 4th commandment, Seventh-day Sabbath has been transferred to the day of the resurrection of Christ occurring on the First day of the week. Bible scholars and apologists don't even bother advancing this argument anymore.

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[farouk]

There is no hint of any instruction anywhere in the Bible that the solemnity of the 4th commandment, Seventh-day Sabbath has been transferred to the day of the resurrection of Christ occurring on the First day of the week. Bible scholars and apologists don't even bother advancing this argument anymore.

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...but the law was changed. (Hebrews 7.12)

What we now have is better than the law (Hebrews 7.19).

Going back to the types and shadows now, in the face of the fulness of revelation in Christ in the NT is unthinkable.

The Resurrection is a glorious fulfillment of the feast of first fruits in the OT.

 

[BarneyFife]

...but the law was changed. (Hebrews 7.12)

What we now have is better than the law (Hebrews 7.19).

Going back to the types and shadows now, in the face of the fulness of revelation in Christ in the NT is unthinkable.

It certainly is. Good thing the Sabbath is a memorial of something in the past, and not merely a shadow of good things to come.

The Liturgical law was changed from the Order of Levites to the Order of Melchizadek.

The Law of God remains unchanged.

The "better promises" have always been available to God's people in all ages, for there is only one name given among men whereby we must be saved:

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. (Hebrews 4:2)​

The Resurrection is a glorious fulfillment of the feast of first fruits in the OT.

It certainly is!
PRAISE THE LORD!!!

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[ScottA]

Which translation is that?

From
מִֽדֵּי־ (mid·dê-)
Preposition-m | Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's 1767: Sufficiency, enough

one New Moon
חֹ֙דֶשׁ֙ (ḥō·ḏeš)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 2320: The new moon, a month

to another
בְּחָדְשׁ֔וֹ (bə·ḥā·ḏə·šōw)
Preposition-b | Noun - masculine singular construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 2320: The new moon, a month

and from
וּמִדֵּ֥י (ū·mid·dê)
Conjunctive waw, Preposition-m | Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's 1767: Sufficiency, enough

one Sabbath
שַׁבָּ֖ת (šab·bāṯ)
Noun - common singular
Strong's 7676: Intermission, the Sabbath

to another,
בְּשַׁבַּתּ֑וֹ (bə·šab·bat·tōw)
Preposition-b | Noun - common singular construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 7676: Intermission, the Sabbath

all
כָל־ (ḵāl)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's 3605: The whole, all, any, every

mankind
בָּשָׂ֛ר (bā·śār)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 1320: Flesh, body, person, the pudenda of a, man

will come
יָב֧וֹא (yā·ḇō·w)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 935: To come in, come, go in, go

to worship
לְהִשְׁתַּחֲוֺ֥ת (lə·hiš·ta·ḥă·wōṯ)
Preposition-l | Verb - Hitpael - Infinitive construct
Strong's 7812: To depress, prostrate

before Me,”
לְפָנַ֖י (lə·p̄ā·nay)
Preposition-l | Noun - masculine plural construct | first person common singular
Strong's 6440: The face

says
אָמַ֥ר (’ā·mar)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 559: To utter, say

the LORD.
יְהוָֽה׃ (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3068: LORD -- the proper name of the God of Israel


New International Version
From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the LORD.

English Standard Version
From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the LORD.

Berean Study Bible
From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.

King James Bible
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

New King James Version
And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.

New American Standard Bible
“And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from Sabbath to Sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the LORD.

NASB 1995
“And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the LORD.

NASB 1977
“And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the LORD.

Amplified Bible
“And it shall be that from New Moon to New Moon And from Sabbath to Sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down and worship before Me,” says the LORD.

Christian Standard Bible
All humanity will come to worship me from one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another,” says the LORD.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
All mankind will come to worship Me from one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another,” says the LORD.”

American Standard Version
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith Jehovah.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And it shall be from the time of month to month and from the time of Sabbath to Sabbath, everybody shall come to worship before me, says LORD JEHOVAH

Brenton Septuagint Translation
And it shall come to pass from month to month, and from sabbath to sabbath, that all flesh shall come to worship before me in Jerusalem, saith the Lord.

Contemporary English Version
On the first day of each month and on each Sabbath, everyone will worship me. I, the LORD, have spoken.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And there shall be month after month, and sabbath after sabbath: and all flesh shall come to adore before my face, saith the Lord.

Good News Translation
On every New Moon Festival and every Sabbath people of every nation will come to worship me here in Jerusalem," says the LORD.

International Standard Version
And from New Moon to New Moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all humanity will come to worship before me," says the LORD.

JPS Tanakh 1917
And it shall come to pass, That from one new moon to another, And from one sabbath to another, Shall all flesh come to worship before Me, Saith the LORD.

Literal Standard Version
And it has been from month to month, And from Sabbath to Sabbath, All flesh come to bow themselves before Me,” said YHWH.

New American Bible
From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, All flesh shall come to worship before me, says the LORD.

NET Bible
From one month to the next and from one Sabbath to the next, all people will come to worship me," says the LORD.

New Revised Standard Version
From new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before me, says the LORD.

New Heart English Bible
It shall happen, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me," says the LORD.

World English Bible
It shall happen, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me," says Yahweh.

Young's Literal Translation
And it hath been from month to month, And from sabbath to sabbath, Come do all flesh to bow themselves before Me, Said Jehovah.

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Hebrews 4...any translation.

 

[BarneyFife]

Hebrews 4...any translation.

Oh, the Genesis 1-2 hermeneutic, I got it.

Good to see ya, anyway. :)

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[BarneyFife]

Hebrews 4...any translation.

If you mean Hebrews 4:1-10, it's about entering into the rest from works as a means of salvation, and the peace that it brings—not canceling the Law of God. :)

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[Robert Gwin]

Just curious, Bob, are you worried that some poor soul is weighing him/herself down with an awful burden of resting and worshiping every Seventh day, or did you have some other reason for starting yet another thread on this very contentious subject? ;)

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Because so many believe that it is a requirement Barn, I kinda wondered what kind of a percentage believed we had to observe it? It stemmed from another thread conversation. The sad thing is that everyone I know violates it, and the punishment for violating it was death. So I wondered why the hypocrisy. If that is part of their faith, I believe they should live it. I do my utmost to live my faith Isa 2:3

 

[mailmandan]

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath (sabbatismos) rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used nowhere else in the Bible.

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

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[Robert Gwin]

:) I see.

Nonetheless, what I have been telling you is not speculation.

Perhaps opinion might have been a better term Scott.

 

[BarneyFife]

Because so many believe that it is a requirement Barn, I kinda wondered what kind of a percentage believed we had to observe it? It stemmed from another thread conversation. The sad thing is that everyone I know violates it, and the punishment for violating it was death. So I wondered why the hypocrisy. If that is part of their faith, I believe they should live it. I do my utmost to live my faith Isa 2:3

To the best of my knowledge, there aren't even a dozen Sabbath-keepers on this forum. Other ones I've participated in aren't much different. Christian forums are rough places for Sabbatarians.

I can't help but wonder why hypocrisy regarding the 4th commandment is so much more offensive to Christians than that of the other 9. And I wonder why folks can't agree on why they reject a literal interpretation of the 4th while being mostly in harmony on the relevance/perpetuity of the other 9.

The commandment itself just says rest. No one concerns themselves with the Levitical ramifications of the other 9. No ones says the other 9 are Jewish.

I've started several threads on the first 3 commandments with virtually no objections whatsoever.

If a person does their best, by God's grace, to refrain from adultery, but doesn't quite measure up, does that constitute hypocrisy that should disqualify the 7th commandment as being morally viable? Didn't a violation of the 7th commandment carry a penalty of death (John 8:5, Leviticus 20:10)?

Why the charge of hypocrisy only for conscientious obedience, Bob?

If I may say so, charging Sabbatarians with hypocrisy seems just a bit out of character for you. :

I hope this doesn't come across as antagonistic. I really like you, Bob. :)

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[ScottA]

Perhaps opinion might have been a better term Scott.

Neither have I been giving you my "opinion."

 

[ScottA]

No, it doesn't. It says from Sabbath to Sabbath. It is talking about our activity in the earth made new.

Yes, we are saying much the same thing:

Between the sabbath rest of eternity past and the sabbath rest of eternity future (the perfect peace and rest of God), is the activity of this world.​

 

[VictoryinJesus]

all Christians will come to celebrate entering into His rest (which many do before the death of the flesh), of whom it is written, "to live is Christ" for those who are "alive and remain" in the flesh.

wow! “to live is Christ” for those who are “alive and remain” in the flesh. “Alive and remain” has always baffled me…you helped, thank you. Philippians 1:24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

 

[ScottA]

wow! “to live is Christ” for those who are “alive and remain” in the flesh. “Alive and remain” has always baffled me…you helped, thank you. Philippians 1:24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

Yes, when we hear Jesus knock and open the door to Him and He enters into us and we in Him, He quite literally walks among us in resurrection power carrying every sin to the end of the age, until the fulness of the gentiles is complete. These are as the days of Noah, the waters above ever rising.

Hallelujah!

 

[Phoneman777]

yes
so people who say we're under the 10 but not the rest are talking nonsense.
the 10 aren't separate; they depend on love
if we delete Deuteronomy & Leviticus, the 10 have no standing - they become baseless. it's hogwash. all or nothing

we're under "the royal law" -- love one another, as He has loved us.
that fulfills all the righteousness of Moses -- but we're not under Moses; not at all. we died, with Christ
for love

We can't deny the Biblical distinction between the Ten Commandments which "stand fast forever and ever" and the Mosaic Law which was nailed to the Cross.

Why do you willfully blind yourself to this distinction? Why are you not prepared to answer the question: If the Ten Commandments are no different than the Mosaic Law, why will it be forever wrong to break the Ten Commandments but never again wrong to disregard Passover or circumcision?

 

[post]

"stand fast forever and ever"

The works of His hands are verity and justice;
All His precepts are sure.
They stand fast forever and ever,
And are done in truth and uprightness.
He has sent redemption to His people;
He has commanded His covenant forever:
Holy and awesome is His name.
(Psalm 111:7-9)​

per the psalm all these stand forever:

• the works of His hands
• truth and justice
• all His precepts
• redemption
• His covenant

nothing here says 'the 10 commandments are not part of the law'
not one jot or tittle is removed

 

[post]

Commandments

this is the word in Psalm 111:7

Strong's 6490 --
piqqud: a precept
Original Word: פִקּוּד
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: piqqud
Phonetic Spelling: (pik-kood')
Definition: a precept



compare:

Strong's 4687 --
mitsvah: commandment
Original Word: מִצְוָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: mitsvah
Phonetic Spelling: (mits-vaw')
Definition: commandment

 

[Robert Gwin]

To the best of my knowledge, there aren't even a dozen Sabbath-keepers on this forum. Other ones I've participated in aren't much different. Christian forums are rough places for Sabbatarians.

I can't help but wonder why hypocrisy regarding the 4th commandment is so much more offensive to Christians than that of the other 9. And I wonder why folks can't agree on why they reject a literal interpretation of the 4th while being mostly in harmony on the relevance/perpetuity of the other 9.

The commandment itself just says rest. No one concerns themselves with the Levitical ramifications of the other 9. No ones says the other 9 are Jewish.

I've started several threads on the first 3 commandments with virtually no objections whatsoever.

If a person does their best, by God's grace, to refrain from adultery, but doesn't quite measure up, does that constitute hypocrisy that should disqualify the 7th commandment as being morally viable? Didn't a violation of the 7th commandment carry a penalty of death (John 8:5, Leviticus 20:10)?

Why the charge of hypocrisy only for conscientious obedience, Bob?

If I may say so, charging Sabbatarians with hypocrisy seems just a bit out of character for you. :

I hope this doesn't come across as antagonistic. I really like you, Bob. :)

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Thanks Barn, that was a great compliment sir, I like you as well, but being the idiot I am sometimes I confuse you with the other Barney, but I have it pretty well straight now. Paul said we are not to judge those who do or do not observe the Sabbath, the point I am trying to make is if you choose to obey it then obey it, I am dead set against hypocrisy. I have the utmost respect for those who practice what they preach even if it is not in harmony with the Bible, because they are not trying to get me to do what they are unwilling to do.

On the subject of the Sabbath however, it is an extremely serious law, and habitual violators of it will not inherit God's Kingdom, that is if it is still in force. Everyone I know violates it regularly, including myself, and no doubt everyone you know as well. If the Sabbath is still being enforced, so very few would even have a chance at everlasting life.