Dropship
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When I cook a steak the blood sometimes comes oozing out but there must still be some left in there, I hope God doesn't mind me eating stuff with blood in it.
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Aunty Jane
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It was the Pharisees who became the legal fanatics....they took the law to ridiculous degrees and thereby made them a burden to the people. To this day, kosher foods for Jews are in the fanatical category. They will not even eat an egg with a speck of blood in it. Me personally? I will pick out the speck and enjoy my breakfast.
1 Timothy 4:1-3
“However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron. 3 They forbid marriage and command people to abstain from foods that God created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth.”
Dropship
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Aunty Jane
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Really makes you want to join in the feast...does it? For any normal person, that is repulsive.
JohnPaul
Soldier of Jehovah and Christ
Dropship
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In real-life survival situations I suppose starving people will eat anything, but at least Grylls hasn't scoffed his camera crew yet..:)
Aunty Jane
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No, I don't believe that is true.....I would not eat blood to save my life. I have no fear of death, and what would be the point of saving your present life if you broke God's law and forfeited your everlasting life? I know which I'd rather have.
Webers_Home
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• Gen 9:3-4 . . Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you.
As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you. Only flesh with its
soul-- its blood --you must not eat.
• Acts 15:20 . .Write them to abstain from what is strangled and from blood.
At issue with the prohibition against eating blood are the feelings of some
that modern slaughter houses don't always kill animals properly. Many use a
device called a captured-bolt to stun the animals and then workers slit the
animals' throats while they're unconscious. Sometimes the bolt kills an
animal instead of knocking it out and then all that the slaughter house has
to work with is gravity because the animal's heart isn't pumping to assist. So
there are those who feel no one should eat common meat because you can't
guarantee the animal's blood was properly drained.
Exactly what the definition of "properly drained" is I don't know because it's
virtually impossible to drain every last drippy little drop of blood out of an
edible creature no matter how you might go about it; so the prohibition
against eating blood has got to be interpreted from a practical perspective
rather than from a purist's.
I'm convinced in my own mind that the gist of Gen 9:4 concerns the eating
of living blood, i.e. blood with enough oomph left in it to keep meat from
spoiling. So I'd suggest cooking all flesh-- insects, reptiles, fowl, sea food,
amphibians, and beasties etc --well enough to ensure that all of its residual
blood is lifeless beyond recovery.
* There are cultures that poke holes in cows' necks in order to drink blood
straight out of the animal utilizing its own blood pressure like a tap to fill
their cups. Other cultures cut open the thorax of animals freshly taken in
hunting in order to take blood-soaked bites of the animal's heart. Those
examples are probably about as close to vampirism as one can get without
actually joining Edward Cullen's family and undergoing the conversion
process.
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• Gen 9:3-4 . . Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you.
As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you. Only flesh with its
soul-- its blood --you must not eat.
• Acts 15:20 . .Write them to abstain from what is strangled and from blood.
At issue with the prohibition against eating blood are the feelings of some
that modern slaughter houses don't always kill animals properly. Many use a
device called a captured-bolt to stun the animals and then workers slit the
animals' throats while they're unconscious. Sometimes the bolt kills an
animal instead of knocking it out and then all that the slaughter house has
to work with is gravity because the animal's heart isn't pumping to assist. So
there are those who feel no one should eat common meat because you can't
guarantee the animal's blood was properly drained.
Exactly what the definition of "properly drained" is I don't know because it's
virtually impossible to drain every last drippy little drop of blood out of an
edible creature no matter how you might go about it; so the prohibition
against eating blood has got to be interpreted from a practical perspective
rather than from a purist's.
I'm convinced in my own mind that the gist of Gen 9:4 concerns the eating
of living blood, i.e. blood with enough oomph left in it to keep meat from
spoiling. So I'd suggest cooking all flesh-- insects, reptiles, fowl, sea food,
amphibians, and beasties etc --well enough to ensure that all of its residual
blood is lifeless beyond recovery.
* There are cultures that poke holes in cows' necks in order to drink blood
straight out of the animal utilizing its own blood pressure like a tap to fill
their cups. Other cultures cut open the thorax of animals freshly taken in
hunting in order to take blood-soaked bites of the animal's heart. Those
examples are probably about as close to vampirism as one can get without
actually joining Edward Cullen's family and undergoing the conversion
process.
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JohnPaul
Soldier of Jehovah and Christ
@Pearl They do know some "New World Translation" quotes by rote, but once the other person gets onto anything that is not on their rote, they seem to know little about the Word of God, truly.
That is absolutely my experience. Ask them something they haven't been trained for that week and they clam up.
@Pearl Same with the Mormons. You get smart young men in suits and neckties who seem keen to talk about the Scriptures...........and then there is a slant there which really isn't from the Word of God at all, and evidently "Elder G. Kevin Smith" (aged 19) seems not to know so much about the Scriptures after all.........
LDS Christians and JW approach scripture study, epistemology, sharing the gospel VASTLY differently.
For one of many examples: JW are super into memorized arguments, quotations, and using those to convince you to join them (and you’re damned if don’t).
In contrast, LDS Christians aren’t really into memorization and don’t believe in bashing someone upside the head with a Bible. Rather, prayer and personal communication with the Spirit plays a large role in everything. Other people aren’t viewed as damned, but rather having some goodness already and missionaries are sharing bringing more goodness to enrich a person’s life.
Yes, I take your point about manner; but as for doctrine, it's not the Word of God itself that is the final authority among the LDS....this soon become apparent.
...but He never contradicts His Word; so focusing on the Word is not only safe, it's essential.
No one is denying the importance and studying scripture- it’s SUPER important.
At the same time though, there are many many different interpretations of scripture.
Yes @farouk we have them visit our town sometimes and they get on buses and sit next to people and start conversations and they are sometimes on the town square and approach people. They came to me one time and I asked them a question about the Holy Spirit but they hadn't a clue.
Webers_Home
Well-Known Member
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The Watchtower Society uses many of Christianity's standard terms and
phrases. However; those terms and phrases mean something entirely
different in the JW mind than what you'd expect because the Society has re
defined their meanings. For example the Society's definition of the term
"everlasting life"
The common understanding of life pertains to the nature of something's
existence; for example in the beginning God created two kinds of life:
sentient life and non sentient life, i.e. flora and fauna. Neither of those kinds
life are everlasting; which can be defined as "perpetual" for example Psalm
90:1-2 which says:
"O Jehovah, you yourself have proved to be a real dwelling for us during
generation after generation. Before the mountains themselves were born, or
you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the
productive land: even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God."
In other words: God always was, He always is, and He always shall be.
That isn't the Society's definition of everlasting life. Ignoring convention,
they've defined it not as the nature of something's existence, rather, as
something akin to familiarity: based upon the organization's interpretation
of John 17:2-3 which says:
"You have given him authority over all flesh, that, as regards the whole
number whom you have given him, he may give them everlasting life. This
means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God,
and of the one who whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ."
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The Watchtower Society uses many of Christianity's standard terms and
phrases. However; those terms and phrases mean something entirely
different in the JW mind than what you'd expect because the Society has re
defined their meanings. For example the Society's definition of the term
"everlasting life"
The common understanding of life pertains to the nature of something's
existence; for example in the beginning God created two kinds of life:
sentient life and non sentient life, i.e. flora and fauna. Neither of those kinds
life are everlasting; which can be defined as "perpetual" for example Psalm
90:1-2 which says:
"O Jehovah, you yourself have proved to be a real dwelling for us during
generation after generation. Before the mountains themselves were born, or
you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the
productive land: even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God."
In other words: God always was, He always is, and He always shall be.
That isn't the Society's definition of everlasting life. Ignoring convention,
they've defined it not as the nature of something's existence, rather, as
something akin to familiarity: based upon the organization's interpretation
of John 17:2-3 which says:
"You have given him authority over all flesh, that, as regards the whole
number whom you have given him, he may give them everlasting life. This
means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God,
and of the one who whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ."
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Aunty Jane
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Give it your best shot.....we study the Bible...Genesis to Revelation..... Have you?
It’s so easy to be an armchair critic and make ignorant comments based on what others may have told you.....so I suggest, instead on making empty accusations, please give us examples of where you believe we have erred in our translation, and let’s examine them....honestly.
I make the same request of @Pearl....give us your scripture and tell us where we are wrong.
Anything you want to know about the the Father, son or holy spirit will be answered from the Bible.....one Witness who didn’t give you the answer you wanted is not representative of our entire brotherhood, so your ‘stories’ are poor evidence for anything but your own prejudice.
And if you can’t formulate your questions unless you consult a “hate site” I’m going to tell you how pathetic your attitude and comments are.
I invite you to get your information from the horses’s mouth....not from prejudiced sources.
If you had been alive in Jesus’ day, who would you have supported?....the ones who were a despised minority...those who told an inconvenient truth, or the ones who wanted everything to stay the same as it was, even though it was horribly corrupted? Did the Jewish people know that their religion was horribly corrupted? Jesus told them so in no uncertain terms. (Matthew 23) Did it change their minds? They clamoured for Jesus’ death. (Matthew 27:25) Can history repeat? The devil makes sure that it does. (1 John 5:19)
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