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What brethren? I defy, reject, and denounce your corrupt sabbath of exceptions and indulgences, as a childish blasphemy against the Lord's Sabbath.
Must be wonderful to be perfect.
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What brethren? I defy, reject, and denounce your corrupt sabbath of exceptions and indulgences, as a childish blasphemy against the Lord's Sabbath.
It's called refusing to answer an honest yes/no question with yes/no answer:I concede your points:
1. You don't know if I agree with your side of the hypothetical situation.
2. You don't know if I consider you a brother or not.
I have failed miserably to successfully make these things clear.
Brother
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It's called refusing to answer an honest yes/no question with yes/no answer:
The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me.
And they answered and said unto Jesus, We cannot tell.
1. There are those who teach it is acceptable to work on a sabbath day, if it is required as part of their career, such as in the military, police, or emergency response.
When they do so, their pay for that day goes to the offering plate.
Do you agree with this kind of sabbath, or not?
2. Are you calling me brother, or not?
@robert derrick The way you have approached this subject and have issued accusations and condemnations without following due diligence in investigating the truth of the matter, nor inquiring personally but made presumptions based on your own unenlightened theological errors,
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You are being used as an emissary of the accuser of the brethren.
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The miracle-working power manifested through spiritualism will exert its influence against those who choose to obey God rather than men. Communications from the spirits will declare that God has sent them to convince the rejecters of Sunday of their error
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Satan's policy in this final conflict with God's people is the same that he employed in the opening of the great controversy in heaven. He professed to be seeking to promote the stability of the divine government, while secretly bending every effort to secure its overthrow.
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Under the rule of Rome, those who suffered death for their fidelity to the gospel were denounced as evildoers; they were declared to be in league with Satan; and every possible means was employed to cover them with reproach, to cause them to appear in the eyes of the people and even to themselves as the vilest of criminals. So it will be now. While Satan seeks to destroy those who honor God's law, he will cause them to be accused as lawbreakers, as men who are dishonoring God and bringing judgments upon the world.
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Those who honor the Bible Sabbath will be denounced as enemies of law and order, as breaking down the moral restraints of society, causing anarchy and corruption, and calling down the judgments of God upon the earth. Their conscientious scruples will be pronounced obstinacy, stubbornness, and contempt of authority. They will be accused of disaffection toward the government.
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The above was written 130 years ago, and the vast majority of Protestant commentators thought such a thing impossible. Yet here you are, operating in the same spirit as those spoken of.
As far as you like. Frankly, things were getting stale with your redundant dissimulations with Scripture, and refusals to answer honest questions.@robert derrick The question is, how far are you willing to take this?
I concede your points:
1. You don't know if I agree with your side of the hypothetical situation.
2. You don't know if I consider you a brother or not.
I have failed miserably to successfully make these things clear.
Brother
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I don't care one thing about what you personally think of me. Really, it doesn't matter to me at all.
And so, back to the truth of things going on here:
There are those who teach it is acceptable to work on a sabbath day, if it is required as part of their career, such as in the military, police, or emergency response.
When they do so, their pay for that day goes to the offering plate.
Do you agree with this kind of sabbath, or not?
Are you calling me a brother, or not?
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
When you begin healing the sick and wounded, and casting out devils in the name of Jesus on your sabbath, then I will glorify Christ in you.
Until then, the only miracle working you people are doing, is pushing off a phony sabbath among yourselves like children in a dirty sandbox.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand.
The only ones seeking to establish government over other Christians is yourselves by commandment of a phony modernized sabbath..
I wouldn't show up at one of your sabbath meetings on pains of death. I don't play hypocritical games with the Lord.
And so, the goal of those rejecting your pseudo-sabbath, is to stop you from playing with each other on it.
Your delusions of persecution grandeur are as real as the play-play sabbath you keep.
Whoever this mutt is that you're channeling, his persecution complex no doubt made him feel good.
1. Those who reject a commandment to keep a sabbath, don't care if others do.
2. If any enforcers of the Lord's Sabbath do begin to hold power, then you would be one of the first to be shut down as profaning the sabbath by your excuse-ridden indulgence-filled corruption of it, The Pharisees will rise up and condemn your pathetic pretense of the Lord's Sabbath.
Yes!!! Here I am!!!!
I am persecuting you by refusing to agree with your phony-baloney sabbath day, and I was prophesied 130 years ago!!!!!!
I am honored that you think me so effectively at variance with your false doctrine, that you now proclaim me the incarnation of a 130 year old prophecy by one of your forefathers.
"If the devil hates you, you must be doing something good for God."
As far as you like. Frankly, things were getting stale with your redundant dissimulations with Scripture, and refusals to answer honest questions.
But now that I'm declared the fulfillment of your mutt-father's prophecy 130 years ago, then I'd love to see more.
Like the man said in 'Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid', "I love reading my name in the newspaper."
But frankly, I don't think you should begin rejoicing like the prophet's of old just yet.
I mean, being persecuted by being told your sabbath is phony, and refusing to obey it with you, is hardly the stuff of martyrdom.
It's pretty thin.
No one can be this lukewarm.
I believe you purposely equivocate just to show how artful you are at it.
In any case, until you answer plainly, I have no more use for you.
Riiight. Just with His children.I don't play hypocritical games with the Lord
His children do not play hypocritical games with a pseudo-sabbath.Riiight. Just with His children.
But very, very few of them exhibit the potential for actual persecution. You're special in that regard. It really is rather frightening to witness what's going on here. It reminds me distinctly of the scenes leading up to the burning at the stake of Jon Hus in a film adaptation of the story. Except that you seem to be amusing yourself a lot more than those folks were.
What really puzzles me is that you go on and on and on about the lack of a worshipful spirit in Sabbath-keepers and how you wouldn't go to an Adventist service under any circumstances.
Yet you exhibit no inclination toward worship, no love for Christ, and haven't done so in all the time I've encountered you on this forum. I don't say that you don't possess these attributes. Only that you must be suppressing them if you do.
Further, you offer no kind of example of demonstration or explanation of this "Spirit of worship."
All forms of debate and justice in the western world, at least, dictate that the burden of proof lies with the accuser.
.Which to you pseudo-martyrs is 'persecution'.
.You wish. There's nothing more pathetic than wanna-be martyrs, who think they are being persecuted, because others don't want to come out and play with them.
It's called the fact that you people never spoke of any spirituality to your pseudo-sabbath keeping, nor of the inner man.
Now, you give some lip service to it.
And I don't go to churches I already know teach false doctrine, out of curiosity. I go where I know the truth is taught and the Spirit of Christ is worshipped. I don't play games with silly sabbaths nor with erring churches.
Dissing your silly sabbath is not cursing you personally, which I do not do, being a lover of Jesus.
And if I knew who you were in public, I would love you by keeping my distance from you, and not bothering arguing with you about your silly sabbath keeping.
Which to you pseudo-martyrs is 'persecution'. What a joke.
The observation was made you people never ever spoke of anything spiritual about your sabbath keeping, but was all outward only.
And there is no debate about it, but simply proven by the fact none of you ever produced any evidence otherwise.
There is no debate here, but only that of your own persecuted mind.
The sabbath you teach and keep is false, and so there can be nothing spiritual about it in Christ, which is proven by never speaking of it in the past, and by your refusal to even acknowledge your sabbath is a corruption of the Lord's true Sabbath as written in the law of Moses.
Continue playing with your sabbath all you want. Doesn't matter to me.
Only the saints in heaven are perfected in Christ, while the saints on earth are only righteous as He was, not perfect in mind and body.Must be wonderful to be perfect.
Your neither a martyr nor even know what persecution is, which is not surprising since you don't even know what the Lord's Sabbath is, but only play-play with your own version of it..
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I don't consider what you've done up to this point to be persecution. I simply observe that your disdainful, insulting spirit is very much like those who eventually do persecute. .
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.Straw men and your presumed ability to read minds are quite tiring, along with your incessantly droning false accusations. .
. You are indeed most unkind and verbally abusive. .
. But I pray for peace with you..
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.You may now proceed to cavil, ridicule, and mock. It will illicit no more response from me.
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Only the saints in heaven are perfected in Christ, while the saints on earth are only righteous as He was, not perfect in mind and body.
And phony sabbath play-games is only for the hypocritical, who are also beyond self-righteous in judging the saints, that righteously reject their silly sabbath of exemptions and indulgences.
I do not curse you, but only reject your cursed sabbath.
I love you by doing so.
But, those who prefer hypocrisy do not love righteous correction.
A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool.