Submission Of The Wife: How Serious A Matter Is It?

[Pearl]

oh no, i didnt jump to conclusions and i read your post correctly. You, and many others on here, think what paul said doesnt matter, yet we know he merely wrote down what the Holy Spirit told him to. There would have been no difference between what Jesus said and the Holy Spirit. If you goto a church with a female pastor, you have neither a pastor nor church.

I said Paul's teachings about the role of women have been vastly misunderstood by men of old.
Meaning it is wrongly interpreted by dinosaurs.
And men on this thread who are not dinosaurs agree.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I said Paul's teachings about the role of women have been vastly misunderstood by men of old.
Meaning it is wrongly interpreted by dinosaurs.
And men on this thread who are not dinosaurs agree.

dinosaurs = conservative or reformed. Thats what you meant to say.

 

[Jim B]

oh no, i didnt jump to conclusions and i read your post correctly. You, and many others on here, think what paul said doesnt matter, yet we know he merely wrote down what the Holy Spirit told him to. There would have been no difference between what Jesus said and the Holy Spirit. If you goto a church with a female pastor, you have neither a pastor nor church.

1 Corinthians 16:19, "The churches in the province of Asia send greetings to you. Aquila and Prisca greet you warmly in the Lord, with the church that meets in their house."

Colossians 4:1, "Give my greetings to the brothers and sisters who are in Laodicea and to Nympha and the church that meets in her house."

Philemon 1-2, " From Paul, a prisoner of Christ Jesus, and Timothy our brother, to Philemon, our dear friend and colaborer, to Apphia our sister, to Archippus our fellow soldier, and to the church that meets in your house."

Aren't you glad you didn't live in Paul's time, when churches met in people's homes -- men and women? Otherwise you would have to tell the people that you were right and Paul was wrong!

 

[Jim B]

I said Paul's teachings about the role of women have been vastly misunderstood by men of old.
Meaning it is wrongly interpreted by dinosaurs.
And men on this thread who are not dinosaurs agree.

I agree with you 100%

 

[Pearl]

dinosaurs = conservative or reformed. Thats what you meant to say.

No that wasn't it but perhaps not dinosaurs either for they are extinct and too many men who think as you do are sadly still around.

And perhaps anybody who refers to themselves as a lifelong sinner hasn't got a true grasp of the gospel.

 

[Philip James]

and the early Christian sect in Phrygia was led by Montanus and two women preachers, Priscilla and Maximilla..

Why speak of things that have been uprooted?

Tertullian | Biography, Works, Theology, Montanism, & Facts

Pax et Bonum

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

No that wasn't it but perhaps not dinosaurs either for they are extinct and too many men who think as you do are sadly still around.

let me guess… you’re methodist? Episcopalian?

 

[L.A.M.B.]

It is archaic and shows the lack of understanding in the word that men put women preachers teachers, ect in a second rate class.Women preached the first message on Easter, as has been said the Samatarian woman at the well preached Jesus to her village, Deborah was a judge, ect.

These men are NEANDERTHALS and just want to dominate and control and keep women subjugated.

Shame on you if in your church and especially in your home if you treat your significant other this way. This also means YOU ARE NOT subjected to Christ's leadership.

 

[Naomanos]

Episcopalian?

Not sure about Pearl, but after leaving the Catholic church as a cradle Catholic, that is where I have settled and consider myself an Episcopalian.

 

[Pearl]

let me guess… you’re methodist? Episcopalian?

Neither - I'm a Christian. A follower of Jesus with no label.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Not sure about Pearl, but after leaving the Catholic church as a cradle Catholic, that is where I have settled and consider myself an Episcopalian.

that explains a lot.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Neither - I'm a Christian. A follower of Jesus with no label.

Amen, Sister as am I !

 

[Pearl]

It is archaic and shows the lack of understanding in the word that men put women preachers teachers, ect in a second rate class.Women preached the first message on Easter, as has been said the Samatarian woman at the well preached Jesus to her village, Deborah was a judge, ect.

These men are NEANDERTHALS and just want to dominate and control and keep women subjugated.

Shame on you if in your church and especially in your home if you treat your significant other this way. This also means YOU ARE NOT subjected to Christ's leadership.

AMEN. Why are there still so-called Christian men who are so proud to have these views?

 

[Naomanos]

that explains a lot.

If you say so. It's the closest church I can find that follows Christ's commands to love God with all your heart, mind, and soul and to love others as yourself.

 

[Pearl]

that explains a lot.

i think that comment says a lot about you.

 

[Mink57]

Even the Bible says a woman's place is in the home..:)-
Nothing wrong if she wants to go out to work of course, but she should at least wait til her kids are grown up..:)-
Proverbs 31-
A wife of noble character who can find?
She is worth far more than rubies.
Her husband has full confidence in her
and lacks nothing of value.
She brings him good, not harm,
all the days of her life.
..She gets up while it is still night;
she provides food for her family..
She watches over the affairs of her household..
Her children arise and call her blessed;
her husband also, and he praises her:
“Many women do noble things,
but you surpass them all.”

Interesting that you only posted PART of this Proverb...and eliminated the rest of it. The Proverb clearly doesn't say that a "woman's place is in the home" or that she "should wait until her kids are grown" before going to work.

Who can find* a woman of worth?
Far beyond jewels is her value.
Her husband trusts her judgment;
he does not lack income.
She brings him profit, not loss,*
all the days of her life.
She seeks out wool and flax
and weaves with skillful hands.
Like a merchant fleet,*
she secures her provisions from afar.
She rises while it is still night,
and distributes food to her household,
a portion to her maidservants.
She picks out a field and acquires it;
from her earnings she plants a vineyard.
She girds herself with strength;
she exerts her arms with vigor.*
She enjoys the profit from her dealings;
her lamp is never extinguished at night.*
She puts her hands to the distaff,
and her fingers ply the spindle.*
She reaches out her hands to the poor,
and extends her arms to the needy.
She is not concerned for her household when it snows—
all her charges are doubly clothed.
She makes her own coverlets;
fine linen and purple are her clothing.
Her husband is prominent at the city gates
as he sits with the elders of the land.*
She makes garments and sells them,
and stocks the merchants with belts.
She is clothed with strength and dignity,
and laughs at the days to come.*
She opens her mouth in wisdom;
kindly instruction is on her tongue.
She watches over* the affairs of her household,
and does not eat the bread of idleness.
Her children rise up and call her blessed;
her husband, too, praises her:
“Many are the women of proven worth,
but you have excelled them all.”
Charm is deceptive and beauty fleeting;
the woman who fears the LORD is to be praised.*
Acclaim her for the work of her hands,
and let her deeds praise her at the city gates.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Beats me @Pearl
I would hate to think they are unlearned or lack the emotions of understanding and belief.

It is an abhorrent attitude to be dominant over another. It is also a sin !

 

[Jim B]

Lifelong sinner (how's that for a self-descriptive "handle"?) and other "dinosaurs" like to claim that Paul wrote the law, even though he wrote that we are dead to the law. Instead of being led by the Spirit and accepting what Paul wrote to the church in Galatia -- "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female—for all of you are one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28) -- they interpret what he wrote about women who lived in the first century society and were regarded as little more than house slaves as binding on 21st century women: highly educated and accomplished in virtually every field (except perhaps professional football).

 

[Jim B]

Why speak of things that have been uprooted?

Tertullian | Biography, Works, Theology, Montanism, & Facts

Pax et Bonum

Like radishes?

 

[Philip James]

It is archaic and shows the lack of understanding in the word that men put women preachers teachers, ect in a second rate class.Women preached the first message on Easter, as has been said the Samatarian woman at the well preached Jesus to her village, Deborah was a judge, ect.

These men are NEANDERTHALS and just want to dominate and control and keep women subjugated.

Shame on you if in your church and especially in your home if you treat your significant other this way. This also means YOU ARE NOT subjected to Christ's leadership.

Non serviam is always so strident..

Pax et Bonum