If I claim that I am under the 10 commandments on the basis that they are derived from the 2 greatest commandments, then I am equally under the whole law, because as Christ says the whole law derives from those 2 commandments.
Why don't Sabbath Day Commanders ever speak of the Inner Man?
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If I claim that I am under the 10 commandments on the basis that they are derived from the 2 greatest commandments, then I am equally under the whole law, because as Christ says the whole law derives from those 2 commandments.
Call it what you want. At least now you are attempting to address the point made, which is all I care about.
There is no claim nor attack, but only an observation that is confirmed: no sabbath commanders ever speak of worshipping in the spirit, nor of rest for the inner man.
And your initial response was only an angry attack against the observer.
The point is confirmed.
Correct. Your beliefs, not Christ's doctrine. And the reason you are angry with those that reject your commanded sabbath, is not because it is true, but like all separatists, you hang your whole religion upon it.
Sabbath commanders are not in a denomination of Christians, but in their own christian religion, that condemns all other christians as equal to murderers, thieves, blasphemers, etc... who do not keep their sabbath commandment.
The attack is on the part of sabbath commanders against all others, who keep not their sabbath.
I ceased arguing ad nauseum about their sabbath law, but now only point out what spirit they are of, as seen by what manner they condemn all others as commandment breakers.
Get rid of your commandment to keep your sabbath, and speak of the blessings of a day of rest, and you'll be just fine in the Spirit of Christ.
Obviously, everyone today on earth who preaches a sabbath as by commandment, and not as by free will rest.
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
Once a carnal commandment is made for the charity and rest of Christ, it is destroyed as by law.
The observation is that, before now, no sabbath commander ever spoke of anything having to do with the Spirit of worship nor of the inner man.
Now, they are moving in the right direction, which eventually will disannul their carnal commandment, and begin to speak of the blessings of a day of rest for the body.
Not just reading, but adding your own commandment of a sabbath to what is not there.
There is no sabbath command, nor rebuke for profaning a sabbath in the law of Christ and doctrine of the apostles to the body of Christ.
It is only added by separatists.
There is no choice in having an inner man. There is a choice to speak of the inner man or not.
The carnal minded do not do so.
Until now, neither did sabbath commanders, because their sabbath had nothing to do with the inner man, and everything to do with the outer man only, which is self evident by never speaking of the Spirit nor the inner man in worship.
Personal faith and practice is one thing. Doing so as by law, and commanding it to others is the error.
That is why they call themselves by a special name, rather than Christian, which is the name given by Scripture to the body of Christ.
Drop the commanding part, and speak of the blessings of a chosen day of rest, and all is well with the body and the common faith of Jesus.
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Such things are by carnal commandments of men taught for doctrine of Christ.
These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Commanding a sabbath to the body of Christ is a false witness of Christ and only serves to divide the body of Christ by separatist law.
BarneyFife
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I'm not angry with anyone. I'm simply not going to stand by while you advance a phony narrative about "Sabbath Commanders" which you claim is confirmed but refuse to demonstrate.
Again, an attack on the 4th commandment of God disguised as an indictment of a fantasy sect.
The fantasy continues.
A spiritual condemnation of Sabbath-keepers themselves disguised as an indictment of the fantasy sect—the gift that keeps on giving.
I have no commandment, nor any Sabbath to claim as my own. The earth and the cattle on a thousand hills are the LORD's. But I appreciate your effort to guide me into what will have to occur for me to be just fine in the Spirit of Christ. :)
As I said, I no longer argue with your sabbath, but only speak of your manner and judgment.
And so, are you saying that those who reject keeping a sabbath as you, are faithful members of the body of Christ, or are we commandment and covenant breakers, that must repent, if we are to have part in the resurrection of the just?
BarneyFife
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AND THERE IT IS, FOLKS. IT IS INEVITABLE THAT IF AN ACCUSER TALKS LONG ENOUGH, HE WILL REVEAL HIS TRUE PURPOSE:
There can be no doubt here that the claim is that "Seventh Day Adventist Sabbath day observers" "do so by law and commanding it to others" in "error," "call themselves by a special name, RATHER THAN CHRISTIAN."
IOW, Seventh-day Adventists are non-Christian "Sabbath Commanders."
Thank you for clearing that up for us, Robert. :)
That is your conclusion based upon a plain observation. You call yourselves something other than Christian.
And you do so by a commandment of your own making, which is the error by which you call yourselves something other than Christian.
Are you saying that those who reject keeping a sabbath as you, are faithful members of the body of Christ, or are we commandment and covenant breakers, that must repent, if we are to have part in the resurrection of the just?
Are those who keep not a sabbath Christians in the eyes of the Lord and judgement of God?
BarneyFife
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In light of the very recent revelation of your identification of "Sabbath Commanders," I would say the point of this question is moot, since we now know that you already have judged that Seventh-day Adventists could hardly qualify as faithful members of the body of Christ, and therefore the opinion of one of them about another's standing with God (which I, as a strict rule, NEVER call into question) would be irrelevant.
And so, those who keep not a sabbath are Christian members of the body of Christ.
Therefore, keeping a sabbath cannot be a commandment of the Lord Jesus Christ to His church.
Unless of course, keeping Jesus' commandments is not necessary to be a saved part of His body.
Sabbath keeping Christians only do so by personal choice of faith, not as by law of commandment.
BarneyFife
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Yes, we do. Just as much as Methodists, Baptists, Catholics, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Mennonites, and Moravians do.
From: What do Seventh Day Adventists Really Believe? - Adventist.org
Seventh-day Adventists accept the Bible as their only creed and hold certain fundamental beliefs to be the teaching of the Holy Scriptures. These beliefs, as set forth here, constitute the church’s understanding and expression of the teaching of Scripture.
Revision of these statements may be expected at a quinquennial General Conference Session whenever the church is led by the Holy Spirit to a fuller understanding of Bible truth, or if better language is found to express these teachings of God’s Holy Word.
The expression of these concepts help provide an overall picture of what this Christian denomination collectively believes and practices. Together, these teachings reveal a God who is the architect of the world. In wisdom, grace and infinite love, He is actively working to restore a relationship with humanity that will last for eternity.
BarneyFife
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Oh, I see. What a commandment of the LORD Jesus Christ to His church might be is determined by what His followers choose to do.
Robert, why don't you stop now while you're not too far from being ahead?
I don't. I am a Christian only. Jesus is my only Lord.
Nor do I keep a sabbath.
Christians who keep a sabbath by personal faith are free to do so, and none the better than others who do not.
Those who preach a sabbath as a commandment for all the body of Christ, therefore, must judge others accordingly as commandment and covenant breakers, if we do not.
Those who believe there is a sabbath commandment for the body of Christ, and yet will not admit judging others accordingly, do not really believe it is a commandment of the Lord.
And so, are those who do not keep a sabbath, also saved members in the body of Christ, that you would call brother and sister?
As I said, I no longer argue with those who teach a sabbath as commandment to be obeyed.
I now only look to their manner and judgment.
There manner is carnal, since they never spoke of the inner man nor Spirit of worship, until now.
And their judgment is questionable, because they do not answer direct questions:
And so, are those who do not keep a sabbath, also saved members in the body of Christ, that you would call brother and sister?
BarneyFife
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Oh, my!! Someone please stop the bleeding!!
I know that non/anti-denominationalism is all the rage in Christianity, Robert. It's your prerogative to participate in the fad.
Again, you are at perfect liberty to keep the commandments of God, or keep them not. Christ died to give you that privilege. Who am I to presume to deny you of it?
I certainly wouldn't say I'm better. That would be silly. But I must confess I'm none the worse for wear for keeping it. Better off, maybe.
Not any more so than I would judge someone for bearing false witness or stealing. Defining "judging" is pretty tricky. In any case, I have no authority to condemn. I do have an obligation to warn. It's in the Bible. No kidding, it's a thing, Robert.
Only if judging others accordingly means warning them. I am willing to warn.
What a silly question. I consider anyone who confesses Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour to be my brother. I consider my enemies as brethren. That's in the Bible, too.
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Where there is no judgement with the commandment, there is no commandment to transgress.
Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Non-judgmentalism is for liberals. I prefer more honest people of plain speech. There are those who say plainly, that those not keeping a sabbath are covenant and commandment breakers. Which is nothing to me, but at least they honest about their commandment.
And so, not only is the modern sabbath not the Lord's, being filled with modern day exceptions to work, it also is no commandment at all, but just a play-play.
BarneyFife
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I'm now quite convinced that the only person you're kidding with this nonsense is yourself. All I did was restate your argument against the Sabbath in post #71, clarifying what it definitely implied about what constitutes a commandment of the LORD Jesus Christ to His church, which you are now glossing over.
..which you find inadequate because you're not aware of the many statements made by Sabbath-keepers about the inner man and the Spirit of worship—a strange qualification for whatever authority it is you're looking for. ¿ And here I thought the Bible was the Christian's rule of faith and practice. ¿
What was I thinking?!!
By the way, did you know that the truth is true even when mean people say it? Hard to believe, huh?
Do I really need to gather links to post to refute this, Robert? I'm a guy who has a lot of free time on his hands and is pretty handy with the forum search tool. For instance, would you have ever thought you'd posted 427 times using either the word "judgement" or "judgment?"
I just kinda like seeing people ask these trap questions over and over, trying to be clever and then, finally, answering them quite handily.
Encore! Encore!
(This one's actually a little different than before--as they usually are--as this one mentions the status of salvation, upon which I never presume to speculate--what I deem as a brother in fellowship has nothing to do with their standing with God, since I only have the outward appearance to judge.)
:)
BarneyFife
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So you actually prefer your Sabbath-keepers to be "Sabbath Commanders."
Too bad you can't find any.
But you "no longer argue with those who teach a sabbath as commandment to be obeyed."
I'm highly apolitical.
NO REACTION TO MY ANSWER TO YOUR PRESSING QUESTION??!!
I think you might be full of something. Probably mostly water.
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